Well, we saw hospitals here and around the world run into problems from covid before there were any vaccines; then after the vaccines were rolled out it took months for this wave to hit, associated with the delta variant, which started in India, where few people were vaccinated; and the Minnesota study shows that vaccinated people are getting less illness, not more, with delta; and Idaho says most of their ICU cases are unvaccinated. Is the state of Idaho lying? (A Republican administration, I point out again.)
It may well be that we are going to hit a variant that is more deadly in vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. If everyone were vaccinated (which is far, far from being the case in Idaho) then it would be very difficult to distinguish the resulting deluge of severe illnesses from a variant that was simply more deadly all around. Delta, though, is not that variant.
Reasonable arguments should be about the application of different values to the same facts. You'd expect an argument against your anti-vax sentiment to say "The benefits outweigh the side effects." If someone said "There are no side effects," or worse, "There are no vaccines, or almost none, those videos of mass immunizations are all faked," you'd think this is a person who is impossible to talk to. If there is no consensus reality at all, there is no basis for discussion.
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Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-09 12:44 pm (UTC)It may well be that we are going to hit a variant that is more deadly in vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. If everyone were vaccinated (which is far, far from being the case in Idaho) then it would be very difficult to distinguish the resulting deluge of severe illnesses from a variant that was simply more deadly all around. Delta, though, is not that variant.
Reasonable arguments should be about the application of different values to the same facts. You'd expect an argument against your anti-vax sentiment to say "The benefits outweigh the side effects." If someone said "There are no side effects," or worse, "There are no vaccines, or almost none, those videos of mass immunizations are all faked," you'd think this is a person who is impossible to talk to. If there is no consensus reality at all, there is no basis for discussion.