Magic Monday Strikes Back!
Feb. 12th, 2018 12:26 am
It's technically Monday now -- a little past midnight Eastern time -- and here I am on Dreamwidth, so it's time for another Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight tonight Eastern time will get an answer, though it may be Tuesday sometime before I get to them all. With that said, have at it!
Astral nasties that a LBRP won't deal with
Date: 2018-02-12 08:26 am (UTC)While I am satisfied that prayer has been proven as a successful option, I'd like to know, what other portable ritual or magical tools are there for nuisances that are not dispelled by the LBRP? Does this resilience suggest that I was dealing with a more serious entity than the standard nightmare pest?
- Patrick
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Date: 2018-02-12 09:05 am (UTC)Here's what I've been pondering last week: what are the magical effects of organ donation (if any)?
Kind regards, Brigyn
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Date: 2018-02-12 09:07 am (UTC)No questions for the moment; just a comment. I’m back in the UK, and have bought a copy of Coelbren through the local bookshop. I’m reading it with interest (in parallel with Penny Billington’s ‘The Path of Druidry’). Just wanted to mention that when I was growing up, I’d always wondered what the runic symbols were at the base of the memorial stone to Iolo Morganwg (on the wall of the building where he sold radical pamphlets and salvery-free sugar!). Now I know!
Here’s a link to a Wikimedia image of the stone: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iolo_Morganwg,_y_Bont-faen.JPG
Bogatyr
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Date: 2018-02-12 09:28 am (UTC)Also, since the book has been out for some time, what would you change about it if you were to write it again?
Thanks for doing this!
Jay Dee
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Date: 2018-02-12 05:40 pm (UTC)As for the book, I'd make a lot of little corrections and revise the basic philosophical stance to reflect my current views, but as a guide to the Golden Dawn Cabala it's stood the test of time quite well. My current take on the Cabala will be covered in a forthcoming sequel to The Celtic Golden Dawn.
Just the right amount
Date: 2018-02-12 09:53 am (UTC)Thanks for your answer about astral projection.
In a magical working how do you make sure you get the right amount of magical energy driving to achieve your goal without going to far. Any goal would be bad if taken to far. I'm cautious about starting to do magic before knowing how to avoid a "sorcerers apprentice" run away kitchen scenario.
How compatible are the mental training methods in W.E. Butler's apprenticed to magic with the druid magic handbook if energy working and wheel of the year are followed from your book.
What is a good source of info on the wheel of the year in more depth than, like is available for the tree of life.
Can a machine like a car possess a kind of spirit? Are there machines and constructs that can and some that can't?
Thank you for hosting this here, its much easier to read than on the blog.
Michael
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Date: 2018-02-12 05:44 pm (UTC)2) Yes -- Butler's writings have been a major influence on my magical work since day one (his book The Magician: His Training and Work was one of the first two books on magic I ever read) and my practices draw fairly heavily on the tradition in which he worked.
3) There isn't one yet.
4) Some machines do seem to pick up a certain inner dimension, others don't. I don't know of anyone who's worked out why.
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From:Sphere of Protection
Date: 2018-02-12 10:34 am (UTC)Re: Sphere of Protection
Date: 2018-02-12 06:03 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-02-12 11:02 am (UTC)I have this uncanny knack for being able to walk into a bookstore and find any book I want, no matter how obscure, old, or otherwise unlikely to be there, as long as I'm there to find something else. This has happened enough times that I'm starting to think there may be something here. Do you have any idea what it might be?
Over at your blog, you said, "A good deal of what’s going on here in the United States would, I think, be diagnosed by a competent Native American medicine person as a mass case of soul loss." What are the symptoms of soul loss?
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Date: 2018-02-12 06:08 pm (UTC)2) It's called intuition. Everybody has it; you've simply picked up the knack of using it -- which is a good thing. Try doing the same thing in other contexts and see if you can expand the range of ways you can use it!
3) You'll have to consult a medicine person for that, or read some good books on shamanism. That's not a field in which I've specialized.
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Date: 2018-02-12 11:05 am (UTC)Carl Jung discusses the symptoms somewhat as being clinical depression, but I remember thinking that he skimped a bit on explanations and maintained a quite materialist viewpoint, at least with the material I read. Of course I've also read Carlos Castaneda in my drug soaked teenage years and later read the much more sober accounts of Medicine Grizzly Bear Lake's excellent book _Native Healer_ where he discusses some of his experiences and technique. Still, my understanding is admittedly fuzzy at best and the entire subject strikes me as compelling.
My questions are: 1) do you know of any good resources for researching soul loss and possible ways of addressing this grave problem? I find the sort of anthropological literature where a rationalist is doing, essentially, weird travel literature hard to sift through, so any recommendations are much appreciated! 2) How can you tell if you have lost your own soul or are dealing with someone with with a missing soul or part, what are the signs and symptoms? 3) does magical ritual in the western tradition help retrieve souls -- i.e if I am missing my soul or part can doing the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram help to restore my soul?
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Date: 2018-02-12 11:54 am (UTC)I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind elaborating on that and/or pointing me to a few sources or examples for further reading. I thought about it since then, and I take it to mean partly that art-making partially involves the act of exploring your own behavior/beliefs through the means of another substance (the media you are working with). So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that I should be paying attention to what happens in my consciousness when making or listening to my own music, and watching the feedback that happens as a work of art begins to manifest in the materials. A trivial example: let's say I have a penchant for making melancholy music, then it's worth noticing that and reflecting on why.
Art-making is also a way of exploring the seven laws as you described them in Mystery Teachings - you can see them being put to action in the art that you make.
The other thought that struck me was that artists have often described their art as not being made by them - something takes hold of them and they act as a channel for that art to be made. I don't know if there are parallels with the psychological idea of the flow state - but I've noticed in myself that sometimes my music has just written itself.
I have read descriptions by some artists about how they have been 'taken hold' of something while making art, that they are simply acting as a channel for a work of art to be created. I don't know if there are parallels with the psychological idea of the flow state - but I've noticed in myself that sometimes, rarely, my music has just 'written itself'.
You wrote to someone last week: "The Watcher at the Threshold doesn't take the form of random annoyances. It's an emotional and/or cognitive reaction, taking forms such as boredom, disinclination, being suddenly attracted to a whole flurry of other activities, or the various grades of fear. I'd encourage you to keep trying."
Does this affect people without magical training, too? This sensation happens to me very often when starting a new project, musical or otherwise. My mind has a very familiar set of tricks that it plays on me to avoid actually starting. Thanks in advance!
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Date: 2018-02-12 06:17 pm (UTC)As for the Watcher, though, it waits whenever and wherever you go beyond the limits of the little self, and the creative arts are among the ways beyond, so, yes, that's him. Get used to him, learn to give him a nod and a smile as you blow on past him, and everything will work out just fine. ;-)
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From:Why pentagrams?
Date: 2018-02-12 11:56 am (UTC)Could a ritual with a six or seven pointed star, or a series of triangles, say, with slightly different symbolism work as well?
I recall you saying something about a ritual practiced by many people over time being more effective than one invented and used by one individual(perhaps I'm remembering this inaccurately). Is it that the golden Dawn system was an effective one and the use of it's symbolism gained a sort of 'momentum' after it caught on?
If I understand correctly the sphere of protection makes use of a circle that is spun around the body fast enough to effectively become a sphere, so it seems like it wouldn't be the case of 'this is the only symbol that works'. Though I could understand it being the case that many were tried and a few seem to work better than others...
If it is possible to use a different shape would it matter if the shape used was made up of an unbroken line rather? Like comparing the continuous nature of a pentagram/circle drawing with a 'star of David' for example, which could be two triangles overlaying or interlinking each other depending how you drew it.
I suppose that's a lot of questions...
So, why pentagrams?
Thank you for doing these magic Mondays. Really learn a lot from these threads.
Jason P.
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Date: 2018-02-12 12:04 pm (UTC)It led me to wonder what nostalgia actually is, and why pop culture finds it so effective? An enormous amount of pop culture today uses settings from the recent past rather than coming up with anything new or appropriate to the time we are living in. It's like pop culture seems to want to use nostalgia to hide our present situation (shifting of the balance of power of nations, climate change, etc) rather than actually deal with.
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Date: 2018-02-12 10:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
From:Neurological disorders and magic
Date: 2018-02-12 12:07 pm (UTC)We were talking about her recent discovery and enthusiasm for the Wayseer Manifesto people. It looks to me like a disguised system of magic that is newly invented and isn't tied to a tradition, and all your warnings come screaming in my mind. She is describing what sounds like magic forces flowing through her, both positive and negative. What concerns me is that she cannot block the negative forces. Given her neurological reality, she says it requires too much energy to block. Instead, she acknowledges the energies, lets them flow through her without letting them alter her, like the Litany against Fear in Dune, then lets them leave her. Thinking back now, I wonder if these flowing forces has been her reality all her life, and all the constant weird things her body does physically and mentally are forces she is wide open to. She cannot stop them she says. And she is now experiencing powerful shudderings like a Kundalini awakenening.
I try really hard to understand what her reality is like, but I struggle. I take some comfort in knowing that because she dealt with a lot of hypnotists online, total strangers, she developed a core "safe place" where her mind retreats to at will, and from which, if things got out of hand, she could regain control at any time she chose. She spent years strengthening this, and could be how she allows the forces to flow through her without touching her.
I wanted to teach her the SOP to block these negative forces, but she refuses, saying the ideas and words are different and clash with her mind's system, which is unique and has evolved to deal with her issues. Not surprisingly, I'm rather worried about what might go through her unchecked. Over the years, she has gained some mastery over herself and is experiencing fewer meltdowns and "storms" as she calls them, where her entire neurological system goes completely haywire physically, mentally, and emotionally. She seems to be going in the right direction, but I worry about whether the Wayseers might lead her into something harmful to her.
Any thoughts on all this? I'm powerless to help her anyway, but maybe I shouldn't worry and just let her walk her path?
Myriam
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Date: 2018-02-12 10:40 pm (UTC)CGD Ovate question
Date: 2018-02-12 02:36 pm (UTC)Thank you for all that you have chosen to share with us.
In my meditations on the on the 16 geomantic figures and their elemental relationships, I have reached a puzzlement: the aetherial plane and body seems associated with both water and air; and the intellectual with both air and fire.
Fire = spiritual essence/primal spark
Air = intellectual
Water = aetherial
Earth = material
Ceugant = intellectual plane, triangle of fire
Gynfydd = aetherial plane, triangle of air
Abred = material plane,triangle of earth and triangle of water together.
Is Water both material and aetherial; Air both aetherial and intellectual; Fire both intellectual and the spark of spiritual essence?
Or am I over-thinking this lesson?
Any wisdom you care to share is most valued...
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Date: 2018-02-12 02:50 pm (UTC)One of the correspondences I've been looking at in this process is the polarity of being/becoming, rest/motion, stasis/change. In the "usual" view, this is a binary -- each being a pole. Is there any tradition of a ternary here? In meditating on the seasonal correspondences of the elements, I noticed that calas/winter/stasis and nwyfre/summer/change were joined with gwyar/spring-autumn...transition? That is, the third component is the state of transition between stasis and change?
Obviously, more meditation is in order here, but I was just wondering if this matches any tradition that you know of.
Thanks!
David, by the lake
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Date: 2018-02-12 10:46 pm (UTC)Saturn's Influence
Date: 2018-02-12 02:55 pm (UTC)Also, do you have a limit as to how many questions any one person can ask per Magic Monday? (I have so many!)
Thank you so much for all that you do.
Yanocoches in Colorado
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Date: 2018-02-12 10:52 pm (UTC)As for questions, two or three is a pretty good number; many more than that and I may get grumpy.
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Date: 2018-02-12 04:11 pm (UTC)A central argument of my forthcoming book (in Brill's Iran Studies series) is that the epochal shi'ization of a very Sunni Iran in the 16th and 17th centuries was carried out via explicitly occult-scientific means, among others. While your CGD system may well be utilized to imperially druidize North American society in coming centuries (gods willing!), what other instances of such successful occultist retooling of mainstream religious culture within an imperial context do you suggest I could point to as useful historical parallels? The equally epochal, if far bloodier, protestantization of parts of western Europe was not, of course, particularly occult-scientific in tenor -- to the contrary; but surely other similar Western transformations were?
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Date: 2018-02-13 01:29 am (UTC)Ghostly presence in new home
Date: 2018-02-12 04:18 pm (UTC)After I moved to a new place last year I started to feel, neigh even see or hallucinate, the presence of an entity or entities in our new home. That surprised me because I’m not one to experience such things and not even sure what I believe in that regard. At first, I just felt the presence but now I see or hallucinate them, usually as vague distortions in the air or wisps but occasionally as a nearly distinct object or body. During the first few months there were just a few instances then it became a daily experience that went on for weeks. My house is a mere 640 sq. ft. so avoidance is not a possibility.
I can attribute no emotion or other quality except presence to the experience. It is sort of like having someone you don’t know in a cubicle next to you at work. You know they are there but other than that nothing specific comes of it. Several times a day I engage in ritual prayer and it if often noticeable as an apparently respectful but distracting presence just behind me and to the left.
My question, not having familiarity with such things, is what if anything should I do? Should I be concerned and try to banish it or ask it to leave? Or, given its apparently peaceful disposition, should I coexist with it? Do such things normally go away on their own accord? My house is a brand new, very small, off-grid place on the edge of a wet meadow at the end of a mile of private dirt road in the Maine woods. Not an ancient castle or an old New England farmhouse where the romantic in me expects to hear these stories. Just a very small modern house surrounded by secondary forest, wetlands and a nearby railroad track.
I should state that as of two weeks ago whatever this was or was not simply ceased but I’m still curious what the John Michael Greer or his readers think one should do when confronted with such a presence. It hardly seems to call for fear or revulsion but on the other hand I generally prefer to be alone when I’m alone.
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Date: 2018-02-13 01:35 am (UTC)Questions
Date: 2018-02-12 04:51 pm (UTC)Re: Questions
Date: 2018-02-13 01:37 am (UTC)2) Depends on the fine details of the practice. As to whether it's important, that depends on what kind of magical work you're doing and whether you find fasting to be helpful.
3) Depends on what you mean by shielding. That's not a concept you'll find in traditional occultism.
4) I don't have one. I haven't looked into it.
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Date: 2018-02-12 05:02 pm (UTC)According to you, were the Templars involved in occult practices and if so what could theses practices be?
Karim
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Date: 2018-02-12 05:29 pm (UTC)I asked a couple weeks ago about wether jupiter or saturn herbs could help me get more discipline with my chores. I started dinking sage tea and I feel like it has helped quite a bit. I still have a ways to go but I managed to get going.
Now, on another aspect of my life, It's a very common topic with my therapist that we talk about my relationship with girls. I had a girlfriend six years ago and it was the second and last time I ever had sex. I tend to feel guilt when I express my sexuality. I don't really feel confortable when I want to express a girl that I like her, so I don't tend to come off as attractive.
I investigated my natal chart and turns out that I have a mars-venus squaring, with venus conjuncted with the sun in Aries in the third house, while mars is in Cancer in the sixth. My guessing is that the sun settles the match for venus, making me emotional, while mars (trined with mercury in pisces) makes me be agressively rational, but cannot manifest much in action. So I looked up martian herbs and I'm thinking a basil and thyme infusion can help my mars get in tune. Is my assessment accurate? What else could I try or consider?
Thanks in advace.
Juan Pablo (with the little snail avatar on the blog)
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Date: 2018-02-13 01:41 am (UTC)starting a practice
Date: 2018-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)is it normal to have a range of issues come up when one starts doing banishing rituals? Most notably after starting to do the Sphere of Protection I've been fatigued and depressed with pain in my heart and solar plexus. A back injury immediately behind my heart which I correlate to a a lifetime of unresolved chronic grief alternately relaxes and I am restored to full range of motion and then contracts and is much tighter with a lot of cracking.
Is this sort of thing to be expected? I really enjoy doing the rituals and feel great happiness as I do the visualizations. Afterwards, though, there is melancholy and fatigue. When I first started I slept 15 hours a day for three days in a row. It seems like these rituals may be balancing some of my extremes, but I feel it is prudent to check in to see if this sort of thing is a flashing danger sign.
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