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"Discipline has long been interpreted as self-control, or as some would say, "the overcoming of the lower nature.' The difficultiy is that such words as 'conquest' and 'overcoming' suggest an entirely inconsistent aggressiveness of technique.  The true metaphysician is not a wearied man wrestling with his lower nature; rather he is poised and relaxed, achieving through realization instead of conflict.  Avoid the process of suffering your way into a spiritual state.
 
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Divination by-the-book

Date: 2020-10-05 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Hi JMG,

Since mid-2018, I've been on the slow-boat DH (and slight DMH) track wherein I've adopted the primary practices of SOP, meditation, divination (plus offerings and prayer). Until recently, I wasn't compelled to do much more than that, but I find myself reassessing that. This leads to my question that must be prefaced by a sheepish admission - I may have gone and done what you're always saying not to do, to wit "Don't change the instructions you're provided in the magical system you're learning." - perhaps you can confirm if I've done that, and if so, what my options are given the situation:

Ogham and I never "clicked" to the extent that I actually perceived a kind of stonewalling, begrudging "yeah, I'll answer your question about a particular topic, but if you keep asking for daily readings, you're gonna get completely irrelevant answers. Pbbbt."

I'd lay off Ogham a bit, re-start, maybe attempt a slightly different approach, get nada, rinse & repeat.

Finally, I took off in a new direction, using the elemental correspondences of the fews as subject for my meditation, each in turn and in some depth. I ended up "collecting" a round of twenty-five Ogham-derived (but different) symbols and meanings and started using them as my daily divination source, with very good results. As in, the system seems happy to "see" me, is spot-on a lot of the time (with a few head-scratchers thrown in now and again), and hints at further depth and juicy complexity should I wish to devote more attention to it.

Now, if I do decide that I want to go further into DMH's lessons, should I set this aside and try to work with Ogham again? Have I done the silly thing and tried to tweak the system and not follow the instructions?

I asked Kimberly (who offers Ogham readings) to approach the fews on my behalf to inquire into how I should understand my (non)relationship with Ogham. Her interpretation of the fews she drew (Quert, Tinne, Coll reversed) was positive, mine not so much (I don't dare ask them myself at this point, my interpretation reinforces that).

Eventually, I intend to pick up your forthcoming sacred geometry course and work in that direction, so I'll learn the sacred geometry oracle, but in the meantime, have I gone off the rails here or do you think I'm ok to keep going with the elemental divination in conjunction with the very basic practices plus working my way toward being able to do the grove ritual?

Thanks for taking the time to read and consider my question.

Re: Divination by-the-book

Date: 2020-10-06 12:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
I did luck out and I'm so glad!

I've kept them in the same order and several still correspond to their "mother Ogham," though as a whole, rather than being tree/species based, their images (such as I've figured out so far) seem to be landscape based and several meanings are very different. I'm writing up what I've learned about the system and most definitely hope to publish it. It'll be a ways off, but now that I can go ahead and learn the grove ritual (well, after I ask in a divination :D), I'll be one step closer by being able to use scrying to develop the system more.

It was accidental tinkering (it just started as meditation) but I'll be careful as I proceed with more of the DH/DMG to not invent-as-I-go.
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