Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 203

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG, Is the person posting on twitter as John Michael Greer and has your face image you or someone approved by you?

Re: JMG on twitter

[ecosophia]

Nope.

Re: JMG on twitter

[stubborn_ass]

Ha! Kinda implies you are getting perhaps too much traction and it could be a system bot has been engaged to create FUD around your writing and thoughts. At a quick glance, it looks like they took snippets from your ecosophia.net posts - hence genuine writing... and mixed with stuff which seems like it could easily have come from you. The conclusions drawn by the 'alternate' you are not too outlandish yet, but I can almost see the direction in which they will drift the arguments over time, which will end up feeding into the search engines when people search under your full name.. Sly and pernicious.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

I fancy AI is involved here. It reminds me of the videos on YouTube that I’ve mentioned hitherto, which purport to represent the ideas of New Thought authors like Joseph Murphy, Frances Scovel Shinn and Neville Goddard, and also more recent figures like Louise Hay and Wayne Dyer. I just spotted a video that (by its click-baity title) evidently attributes to C.G. Jung the claim that your eye color foretells your destiny, which is so far from any ideas I’ve ever heard attributed to him that I suspect bollocks. I’ve noticed a steady stream of these bollocks videos relating to Jung.

All these fake videos feature synthetic voices that typically exceed the sound quality available to most of these authors during their lifetimes, and mix-and-match their content in much the way you’ve described, combining things they said with things they might have said and things that I am sure they never said. These vids also tend to feature obviously AI-generated images of these individuals that make them look un-credibly like movie stars.

I don’t know who exactly has an interest in befuddling people about what these influential figures said or didn’t say, but they’re definitely active online, doing their Ahrimanic thing. Their motives might be largely commercial, or it might be something more than that. I hope there’s a way that JMG can readily shut down this impersonator in the TwitSphere, without too much hassle or inconvenience to himself.

Re: JMG on twitter

[the_arcane_archivist]

https://xcancel.com/JMGreerWriter/status/1942782511248982160#m

I've been suggesting for some years now that the internet, since it relies on the subnatural realm (the realm of quantum phenomena where our ideas of "nature" break down), is wide open to the malign spiritual powers who inhabit the subnatural realm -- the forces of Ahrimanic evil, to use Rudolf Steiner's label for them. (Their equal and opposite numbers, the malign powers of the supernatural realm, are the forces of Luciferic evil.)

Large language models ("AI") are even more apt to evil than most of the internet -- not surprising, since they can only operate by accessing the entire internet for modeling purposes -- and so it doesn't surprise me at all that they're deliberately driving people insane.

There's a vast amount of cognitive dissonance in today's society, with members of the laptop class being expected to believe at least three impossible things every day before breakfast, but the LLMs add a further dimension. I'd encourage everyone to stay far away from them.

I fancy that this quotes is actually against AI, I remember JMG might have said something like this.

Actually since this tweet is kind of almost viral, I would think the Ahrimanic thing the BigTech Bros would want it shut down.

I would love if this unofficial account would give the source of the quote for each quote though.

Re: JMG on twitter

[the_arcane_archivist]

I actually verified most of the quotes, they come mainly from DW, and ecosophia.net, and most of the type they come from the ecosophia.net responses in the comments. I for one I like them, they are similar to Nassim's Taleb aphorism, and he/she seems to select the ones that still make sense when pluck of the context they were taken out.

IMHO, is too clean to be AI or both. A lot of signal in selecting the quotes. Bots and AI would have given a lot of noise.

Re: JMG on twitter

[the_arcane_archivist]

I actually verified most of the quotes, they come mainly from DW,

Update, I tried to identify and source latest quotes origins, and couldn't, a bit frustrating.

Re: JMG on twitter

[https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen]

I reported it to X/Twitter system monitors as an impersonation. If others here on the list who have Xitter accounts do the same, perhaps we can get that fakery shut down.

Re: JMG on twitter

[ecosophia]

Please don't do this. So far all the quotes I've seen from that provider are accurate -- for example, both the ones cited here are from my comments on the recent open post -- and I don't at all object to seeing my ideas get more circulation this way.

Re: JMG on twitter

[escorcher]

You're AI now too.

Allow me to introduce yourself to yourself... :-/

https://character.ai/chat/Quxbv_autDCbe11j8i1jKCFL8BPBg27tgnKkqa2z--c?icebreaker=Can+you+explain+the+connection+between+ecology+and+spirituality%3F

Re: JMG on twitter

[ecosophia]

Nope. I refuse to have any contact whatsoever with AI. In fact, once this week's open post sunsets off, I'm considering requesting that AI-related content be kept to a minimum here, and if that doesn't work, banning it outright.

Re: JMG on twitter

[escorcher]

Suits me. I'm a long time member of the Sarah Connor fanclub (Terminator movies).

Don't think we are giving birth to the next stage in our evolution via silicon and water then?

Re: JMG on twitter

[ecosophia]

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

That is to say, Frank Herbert chalks up another hit...

Re: JMG on twitter

[earthworm_uk]

Do I feel a Butlerian Jihad coming on?

Re: JMG on twitter

[escorcher]

An interesting take on that:

The Butlerian Jihad and the AI Reckoning: What Frank Herbert Warned Us About Tech, Power, and Human Agency

https://andrewggibson.com/2025/05/24/the-butlerian-jihad-and-the-ai-reckoning-what-frank-herbert-warned-us-about-tech-power-and-human-agency/

Is this guy right and we risk trading cold logic for warm cruelty? And is warm cruelty better than any kind of pure logic?

Though I guess something more pertinent to the idea of ours being a failing civilisation is the question of just how dark a dark age do we want?

Maybe a 'natural' pandemic before this crazy tech stuff 'beds in' is the least bad option - and saying that I refer to my opening comment/post on page 2 of this week's post.

Re: JMG on twitter

[earthworm_uk]

I've been scrolling passed posts that mention LLMs but have noticed more references creeping in here and on your main blog.
Maybe it's just me, but my gut feeling/reaction is about the same as I had for gene modifying injections: "Run Forrest. Run!"

On spaceweather:
"This is an AI Free Zone: AI isn't all bad. Large language models are good writers with access to vast stores of data. There's still no substitute for a human being with decades of space weather forecasting experience. This website is 100% human."

A little on the lame side, but whatever.

The temptation of a candy jar and how to catch a monkey. Much depends on who is doing the catching and what is done next.

I've started to prune out websites that use that sort of generated content (images and text), but it occurs that the internet may be very close to a tipping point in terms of information. Can't shake the nagging feeling that we haven't actually seen 'crazy' yet.

Re: JMG on twitter

[ecosophia]

I let a conversation about LLMs happen on the last open post. In retrospect, I think it was a mistake, and will be stricter about using the delete button hereafter. As for your nagging feeling, it seems entirely reasonable to me.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is fair. There are some things happening with AI worth discussing (one example being Chat GPT psychosis), but it does seem like the moment AI comes up, most brains shut off; either that, or there are AI systems monitoring for their discussion spewing out all sorts of nonsense...

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG,

I'd like to support an outright ban on all AI generated posts. I now instantly unsubscribe to any Substack as soon as I see the words "This is what Grok says about..."

LLM AIs hallucinate and are terrible for the environment. They are a blight.

Cheers

Re: JMG on twitter

[anonymoose_canadian]

My (thankfully soon-to-be-former) roommate is currently melting down because "an extremely insightful" post about agentic AI possibly being behind the Covid madness has not gotten much, if any, engagement. I took a look at it and was not impressed, but supposedly this is proof that this entire forum is being controlled by AI. He used to be sane and fairly stable until he started using Chat GPT...

Given this sort of weird and frankly psychotic behavior and thinking from so many people when these things get mentioned online, I think it's best to avoid discussing the topic. I know it's ironic coming from someone who's talked about researching what these things might be and are doing from an occult perspective, but I would welcome a flat-out ban on the topic of AI.

Your blogs are among the only places I know left on the open internet where conversations of anything more than trivialities can happen, and I think a ban on the topic of AI will allow it to survive a little longer.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

Dear JMG, I am not interested in interacting with LLMs/AI, nor am I interested in reading what it has to say. So to me, a ban has a certain appeal.

However, the current investment our society is making in AI is massive. And thus it shall be profitable -- somehow. There is no alternative. (I'm expecting that this profitability will involve significant coercion.)

The latest God of the Religion of Progress is, IMO, going to affect everything, like it or not. Ignoring it may not be possible. And ignoring it may not be a good idea -- it appears to me there is great evil afoot.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

It's not an impersonation unless they pretend to be JMG. They say instead

"X feed for the writings of John Michael Greer.
JMG interacts directly with readers at - https://ecosophia.net"

It's also not fakery if the quotes are real and they seem to be. They seem to have paid for the blue check recently so now the quotes are much longer. I preferred the pithier option. Anyway, don't see any harm in it, and some good if it introduces people to JMG.

In other news, a 36 yo man who put on alternative events (one of which I attended) was found dead in his bed. No known cause. Did this sort of thing happen pre-covid vaccine? Could be another drug but the suspicion is always there now.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

“…found dead in his bed.” This is exactly what happened to a close friend of mine last Autumn. I’m no expert, I wasn’t there, I haven’t seen the coroner’s report, I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but - nah, it was the vax.

Re: JMG on twitter

[(Anonymous)]

link FYI -

https://x.com/JMGreerWriter

Re: JMG on twitter

[erikalopez]

they paid for a BLUE CHECK???
wow.