Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 203

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

Japan

[methylethyl]

danius from last week, who asked about Japanese sources.

Alas, I don't speak Japanese either! It took me a while to track them down, but here are the two things I remember seeing out of Japan, that left the impression that Japanese researchers may be working with actual data and not trying to hide stuff as much as Western researchers, and that the language barrier might be working in their favor WRT not getting instantly censored to death:

The most recent was this, which claimed they had actually *compared vaxd vs unvaxd populations* -- the one thing western studies flatly refuse to do:

https://x.com/ganaha_masako/status/1934189173621379339

And the early-on release of info that Pfizer caused spike protein accumulation at large concentrations in certain organs (in rats), including bone marrow, ovaries, adrenal glands, and the liver.

https://pandemictimeline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Pfizer-report_Japanese-government.pdf


There was also this, very early on, which suggested Japan was actually looking at the things, instead of blindly obeying WHO orders:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japan-finds-stainless-steel-particles-suspended-doses-moderna-vaccine-2021-09-01/

Anyway, the frustrating thing about not reading Japanese is having to rely on secondhand sources for those-- and not being able to track down where they came from, to see if those researchers or institutions have done other work I might be interested in. :) If anybody else wants to take a stab at it, wonderful. But I know it's a slog in any language and I'm not asking.

Re: Japan

[(Anonymous)]

Doing this from memory peak prosperity on you tube talked about this. Dr Chris Martenson did a wonderful job. No one died on the Diamond Princess ship from C-19. Vit I is over the counter in Japan. Food standards are much higher in Japan than in the USA. Stainless steel was not the only thing they found in the jab over 190 million doses were rejected by Japan. Sorry about not giving exact dates. His web site is mostly behind a pay wall now. Blueberry

Re: Japan

[weilong]

which suggested Japan was actually looking at the things, instead of blindly obeying WHO orders:

From where I stand in Japan, I don't see where they deviated from WHO orders. The main difference from a lot of Western nations is that enforcement was less draconian. As a rule, policy in Japan relies more on incentives and propaganda than just clubbing people over the head. The soft touch works on almost everybody, but doesn't inspire a backlash.

All the information available in Japan hasn't stopped the authorities from continuing to recommend experimental gene therapy for anyone and everyone.

Re: Japan

[methylethyl]

I didn't recall seeing any "we rejected a huge batch for contaminants" notice from anywhere else, but... just because I didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I understand that Japan still went pretty whole-hog for the shots. It's just that the few things I've seen working their way out of the country into the skeptic scene suggest that the academic censorship wasn't/isn't as total there. Perhaps it doesn't need to be, because the culture itself is one of compliance. (shrugs) Maybe their scientific funding structure is different?

I've never seen any country where the current scientific research trickled down into actual medical practice and public health recommendations in less than ten years.

Re: Japan

[weilong]

Japan's pharma industry and regulators have a habit of enforcing "quality" standards far in excess of internationally recognized standards. I put quality in quotes because in many cases it really does seem unnecessary. I like to say that there's low quality, there's high quality, and there's Japanese quality. Japanese quality is typified by extremely rigorous requirements that don't serve any obvious purpose (such as safety or efficacy in drugs).

FWIW, my guess on the contaminated batch you mentioned is that the Japanese were doing the usual quality control checks, while other countries gave the clot shots a free pass.

I can remember seeing covid-skeptical books on the shelf at the local book store, and fliers for speaking tours warning people of the dangers of the shots. It seems there has been a minority of people who realized what was going on. They weren't crushed, but they didn't get a whole lot of traction, either. Most people only know what the TV told them this morning; and the TV says wear a mask and get the shot.

Re: Japan

[danius]

Methylethyl
Thanks for following up on my post from last week with additional sources. I started to listen to the post from GANAHA Masako. I will try to find some time to listen to the entire program. As others have said, there still seems to be an adherence to the official narrative and acceptance of the virus/vaccine paradigm in Japan that exists elsewhere. I hadn't seem much of a diversion from that over the course of COVID. There are some different dynamics in effect. I am not sure where that leads though. It may just be a minority view pushed off in a different direction.
Thank you.

Re: Japan

[methylethyl]

You're welcome!

Re: Japan

[danius]

I have finally listened through the Ganaha Masako post. The participants discuss the independently-developed database of about 18 million people tracking which people were harmed or killed by different lots of Covid injections. My understanding of Japanese is imperfect, but I got enough of it to track most of what was being shared. It only has data from some specific cities or towns from a limited number of Japan's 47 prefectures. I believe this database will continue to be updated. There is a separate bit of information comparing death rates of those who received the shots compared to those who haven't. It is an impressive effort of some concerned individuals to piece together information to develop a comprehensive understanding of the situation. This group includes Professor MURAKAMI Yasufumi of Tokyo University, who I think I have seen in other presentations, and one Diet Member. It is admirable to see that these individuals remain concerned about the situation. Much of the discussion has to do with how to continue to share this sort of information in order to make a difference. There did seem to be some frustration with their view or concerns not having a bigger impact. That dynamic between dominant/official narrative versus alternative narrative seems to exist regardless of the information people have.