Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 202

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

The Walking Wounded

[charlieobert]

On the topic of vaccine injuries - The Midwestern Doctor substack has one of their usual very long and thorough articles on the topic -

How Much Damage Has Mass Vaccination Done to Society?

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/how-much-damage-has-mass-vaccination

I think at least part of this article is behind a paywall.

In the latter part of the article he has a long list of possible symptoms and problems that people who were born in the 1950's or later frequently have, that were very rare prior to that period.

I looked through that list and checked off something like a half dozen symptoms and problems I have had, including some that still are with me in my seventies. Some are physical, some are psychological, some are behavioral. Some have caused me serious problems in my work and relationships.

It is sobering.

We are living in a society where most people are more or less walking wounded, more or less damaged. Along with admitting and dealing with that, it makes me realize that much of the weird behavior we see around us may have chemical causes - so there is a need for a great deal of compassion and tolerance.

Re: The Walking Wounded

[coyote_girl]

Thanks for the link. A long article, but well worth the read. Sobering is right.

That could explain how it seems like socially and spiritually we are already well into a dark age. I was curious on her take on the spiritual effects of vaccine damage, but yep, that part was behind a paywall.

To invoke the superstition of coincidence, I just came across a link today for those who do video.

https://rumble.com/v2bs3nw-dpt-vaccine-roulette-1982-full-documentary.html

It is a news documentary from 1982, titled: DPT: Vaccine Roulette.

What shocks me is how familiar some of the lines from the MIC are. Also how investigative reporting still existed back then as well as physicians were allowed to speak more freely against orthodoxy. I think they called it scientific debate.

Fair warning, it does show severely vaccine damaged children and young adults. It is heartbreaking. Nearly as heartbreaking is remembering how civil and articulate people were back then as compared to now. Maybe vaccine damage is playing a major part in our decline. Lead cookware would be too Roman anyways.

Re: The Walking Wounded

[revert2mean]

Oh, I've got a paid subscription to AMD. Short answer on spiritual effects of vaccines - nothing good.

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[(Anonymous)]

Wow, this is eye-opening.
The assertion that vaccines (all, not just cooties shots) cause low-grade brain injury, which leads in turn to higher crime rates, more violence, lowered school standards, gender dysphoria, incelism, autism, etc etc is very interesting.

A long time ago I read the hypothesis that the rise in crime correlated to the rise in the number of cars in the U.S. burning leaded gasoline (lead is also a brain toxin). As lead was phased out of gasoline, crime in the U.S. dropped in tandem, with a ~15-year lag.

Maybe both influences were working in tandem?

The descriptions of people being rendered emotionally colder and crueller by this low-grade brain injury, jibes with what I saw growing up in the MidWest-- there were times as a child that I said I liked animals better than people, because animals were sane.

This also makes me wonder about the "light-switch effect" I noticed when moving from the MidWest to Southern California. I immediately noticed that SoCal people, even perfect strangers, were kinder and friendlier than the midwesterners I'd grown up with. A higher proportion of Southern Californians come from Latino and Asian backgrounds-- could it be that they have had fewer vaccines in their lives and this is why?

The fact that I am even entertaining these thoughts shows how much my own Overton window has shifted. Six years ago I regarded vaccines with the same benevolence one has for a warm and fuzzy teddy bear. I would have backed away from this link to the "antivaxxer crazy".
But the Corona Shenanigans have been so extreme, and so in all of our faces, that now *everything* has come into question for me.

What has been seen, cannot be unseen.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/248/cannotbeunseen.jpg

- Cicada Grove

Re: The Walking Wounded

[(Anonymous)]

charlieobert— I very much agree with you that there is a need for a great deal of compassion and tolerance.

At the same time, by tiptoe-tiny and sometimes by leapingly-large steps, I am moving away from my deluded jabbed up circles, and towards a life lived among more sensible people.

This is turning out to much harder to accomplish than I ever imagined, however. But I'm keeping at it.

Unfortunately, in my personal experience, not all the unjabbed, nor all those now awake to the con of the jabs, are sensible people. Many of them are just as ego-melded to their talking points as the jabbed-to-the-max "safe & effective" crowd.

I don't have it all figured out. But I am finding some things that correlate with a person being more sensible— by which I mean, able to take in and process new information whilst behaving decently and speaking rationally. Without touching on the jabs issue specifically, that would be:

First and foremost, no mask.

Secondly, a huge, but not nasty, sense of humor. Can honestly laugh easily, including at self.

Thirdly, not a Trump groupie, but no out-of-the-blue TDS spittle-spewing rants either. Able to handle nuance pro or con without fireworks & nuclear meltdowns.

Fourthly, self-employed. Hmmm. Maybe I should have put that first on this list...

Sign me,

ON THE LEARNING CURVE SOMEWHERE FOGGY BUT I SMELL OCEAN

Re: The Walking Wounded

[stubborn_ass]

Australian news feature about increasing numbers of young people having bowel cancer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW8o8RhoKU0

Featured a 22 year old woman, whose doctor told her it was impossible for someone her age to have bowel cancer. That factoid was absolutely true in the pre-coofjab era. But she was such severe pain and had symptoms which tallied with bowel cancer, so scheduled a colonscopy herself and confirmed that it was at Stage 3. She then had a colon removal done and is now using a colostomy bag. Oh, and 8 rounds of chemo too. All that at age 22, what is her quality of life going to be in a few short years?

Anyways - as I was watching the video... I noticed that her smile and face was unbalanced, aka not symmetrical. Midwesterndoc (in an article years back) had covered symptoms of jab injuries (from other jabs) and a telltale sign was a more crooked smile or much obvious asymmetry in a person's face. That old article had a ton of portraits from pre 1950's... and more recent ones, and you start to see, and understand that a lot of us have been damaged from the various jabs we had to take.

For this particular lady, I can guess with a high probability that she probably had Ball's Palsy (like Justin Bieber) after her coof jab... 'recovered' but the facial muscles on 1 side are now much weaker. It should have served as a warning sign to her that she needed to do more serious detoxing, but most people would choose to believe the reassuring lies that MSM puts out, rather than dig deeper.

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[(Anonymous)]

You got me curious, and I ran to go look in the mirror at my own face.
It looks pretty symmetrical (to me) (phew).

I am old enough that I was on the 10-shots childhood regimen, and have had only a few since then (mostly flu shots). However, they did hit us with a massively multivalent set of vaccines when I was in Basic Training -- they literally used a gun to inject it into the bicep. Ever since Basic I have felt like I'd lost a little bit of my mental "edge", like my mind was not as razor-sharp as it used to be. I chalked it up to being hyper-busy ever since then, with maybe not enough sleep, but... now I wonder.

On another front, thank you for the tips about "flushing" niacin a while ago. I've been taking 1000 mg a day since (500 in the morning and 500 at night) and it seems to be helpful. I heal from things a little quicker.
(Holy dang-- that was a year ago!
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/277582.html?thread=48257614#cmt48257614)

- Cicada Grove

Re: The Walking Wounded

[methylethyl]

Of course, there may also be a selection bias, in that pre 1950s, people took fewer photos and they were more expensive, so the ones that are still around are much likelier to be of pretty faces, largely because they're likely to be of more well-off people who ate well in early childhood.

That said, I'd love to see a proper study comparing same-age, same-angle photos of fully-vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people.

I had all the recommended ones, but it was a shorter list in the 80s. Face not notable symmetrical, but the aspect of that I always found interesting is that whatever the expression, the left side of my face looks more sincere than the right. Always thought it was a leftbrain/rightbrain thing where the right brain (intuition etc) connects to the left side of the body, and left brain (logic, language, etc) connects to the right. But even a very tiny difference in muscle function might have a similar effect.

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[stubborn_ass]

I think you are mistaken about the selection bias, as photography was invented in the early 1800's, and 'mass' photography was available in the early 1900's, whereby people can take photos and leave the processing and printing on paper to dedicated labs. I vaguely recall Midwesterndoc was just using random stock pictures from the past where the facial features were clear enough to make the comparisons. Then either in the article or possibly in the comments, I recall a comparison of some high school yearbook pictures which again illustrated the differences over the last few decades.

Re: The Walking Wounded

[methylethyl]

Yes and no.

For a really good comparison, you'd need yearbook photos from a variety of districts: wealthy, poor, rural, urban. Childhood nutrition and health has a lot to do with how you look, and those things are not unrelated to wealth, environment, and resources.

I can say for certain in my own family tree, there was a vast difference between those who grew up desperately poor in the Depression, and their children, born from mid-1940s to 1960s. Interestingly, the Depression generation, despite being materially poor, raised their own food and livestock and had access to fresh food. They all had beautiful teeth, in an age where orthodontics wasn't really a thing. My grandma lived to 75ish and still had every one of her teeth, no cavities. Grandma was one of *many* children, and they all stayed in the same area I grew up in, so I grew up actually knowing my dozens of first and second cousins, oodles of great-aunts, etc. The 1950s-ish generation: my parents and their cousins: they all grew up considerably more affluent and comfortable than their parents had been, but they didn't live "on the farm" and canned and packaged foods were the bees' knees for the Depression generation: cheap, easy, and you didn't have to pick weevils out of it! My parents' generation had lousy teeth. Crowded, crooked, and they've all got a few fillings. They got braces as kids, and tbh they are not as good-looking as my grandparents' set. But the polio vax was not even a thing until 1955-- they probably all got it, but a lot of them were older children at the time: 6-15 maybe. Not preschoolers. A lot of what you are going to look like is already pretty well set up by then. So if I had to take a wild guess at it, I'd reckon it had more to do with what they were eating, and possibly running down the street after the DDT truck, than with vaccination campaigns.

I do think vaccines have a lot to answer for. I just don't think it's quite as simple as comparing old photos to new ones. There's a lot going on there, and I'm not sure you can tease out that one factor so easily. If you're looking at yearbook photos, for instance, it's important to make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Are you comparing wealthy kids to other wealthy kids? Poor kids to other poor kids? Recent immigrants to other recent immigrants? Are you inadvertently chopping off a huge segment of the population by comparing people who made it as far as high school in 1950, to people who made it to high school in 2020? The standards are quite different now: it used to be pretty common to quit after 8th grade to go to work.

Re: The Walking Wounded

[methylethyl]

--you'd also have to answer the question: when did yearbooks start being a thing, and did every school make them, or just the schools in affluent districts?

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[(Anonymous)]

I've seen graduation pictures from as far back as the 1920s, of Rural and small town school districts. Even back then, it was seen as important enough that any school district of any level of prosperity made sure to record their graduates through photographs.

– Donald Hargraves

Re: The Walking Wounded

[methylethyl]

That might be good for a comparison, then ;)

Re: The Walking Wounded

[(Anonymous)]

I think like with mass media, at some point people will abandon the official medical system for anything else out there.