Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 197
May. 13th, 2025 09:32 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.
5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.
Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-14 02:45 pm (UTC)I run in several PMC circles and the TDS is as bad as ever, and has now been joined by MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) and KDS (Kennedy Derangement Syndrome). Trump could nationalize healthcare in the US tomorrow - something they've claimed to want forever - and make all their drugs free, and all of a sudden the liberal PMC would instantly flip sides and declare that nationalized healthcare doesn't work after all and is bad for the economy. None of it is about policy or outcomes or reality, it's all just tribal identity as instructed by the MSM. The left used to LIKE Musk and RFK Jr., years ago, until they were instructed to hate them. The propaganda is more real to them than any reality on the ground ever could be.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 01:26 am (UTC)And a note about TDS. Mainly I stay quiet when the people around me start thrilling to their TDS. And the funny thing is, they don't seem to notice that I'm staying quiet because they're so into it. They work themselves up sometimes to the point where they're practically spitting! And I'm not the only person who stays quiet in these situations. I'm noticing the people who stay quiet.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 02:04 pm (UTC)There is a new thing in non-profit circles, a bit of an industry popping up around 'trump proofing' your org. News aggregators/NonProfit councils building a narrative around it and selling more subscriptions/memerberships. Lawyers offering advice. Webinars being sold. Now that people can make money off of it, they are ramping up the rhetoric and selling to the TDS vulnerable. They did this during covid and will do it again for the future current thing until they run out of this particular demographic.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 03:31 pm (UTC)The political rant struck me as completely inappropriate, but apparently it's par for the course here in Deep Bluelandia.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 09:21 pm (UTC)Oh yes, I recognize this. I had a funny experience the other day. In a casual conversation, like thunder out of a blue sky, in came the blast of TDS. "Trump YAH YAH YAH YAH." I wasn't thinking about it, just said what popped into my head, and it was soothing words, as if to a child: "yes, yes, the bad orange man is very bad." And then I changed the subject.
I somewhat surprised myself by that. And I was a little worried that I might have insulted the other person by my tone, but, as far as I can tell, it seems not.
This isn't the forum to be getting into Trump, of course, but what I'm saying is, adults I have known all my life do not seem to me to acting entirely normally for them— still, after all this time.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 06:09 am (UTC)We are expecting a baby and in time honoured tradition we are receiving name suggestions from friends and family members.
Several times now we explicitly received a concerned advice to: “just please do not name him Elon”.
We talked it over, since it was such a bizarre suggestion. Neither of us ever found the name itself pretty, neither of us ever expressed much admiration for the guy. I have been known to express how the electric car “save the world” business is bogus. So why?
Then we noticed we never got a warning not to name him Donald.
Well, several of our friends and acquaintances are part of the lower middle class and like to see themselves as part of the PMC. They aspire to those ideals.
The Donald was always the rude philistine, and dumb to boot. No way a NY real estate magnate, successful media personality, and a legal expert that earned the adjective Teflon Trump could be smarter then a billy goat right. No way.
He was always the enemy of all that was decent.
But Musk. He was their hero, the guy who brought them Tesla, even though none of our friends ever could afford one. He was going to lead us back into space, …
And now he has betrayed those lofty ideals and joined with TRUMP incarnate! So he is worse.
BTW.: this is happening in Austria, Europe.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 09:32 pm (UTC)Like the covid jabs, stance seems to have much to do with social status and striving for same.
That their social status, or the social status they aspire to, is getting shaky, and it seems most don't entirely comprehend that. It's like there's this game they've finally figured out more or less how to play, but the rules have changed on them, and anyway the savvier players are moving to whole 'nuther board.
What does it mean to have taken 6 jabs? Not what it once did.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 09:33 pm (UTC)Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-15 10:44 pm (UTC)Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-16 06:31 am (UTC)Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-17 05:31 am (UTC)I went traditional this time. We are in Austria, so if anyone asks, I simply say that as the father it is my sollen duty to name my son and I will decide how to name him. And of course the name is inevitably Adolf. Works wonders for keeping folks of Viktoria’s back.
Second son Donald Elon.
Third Vladimir
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-17 03:15 pm (UTC)September 5, 2002
https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/05/germany.osama/index.html
Also there is this indian politician, whose dad named him Stalin -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-16 03:21 pm (UTC)I've heard it said many times that apostates are always hated more than heathens. Trump was once a Democrat, but he's always been seen by the elite as a philistine with all the wrong tastes and behaviors - "not really one of us, dear". His defection to the Republican party and subsequent success makes them very angry - but Musk and Kennedy are worse. They were, you know, "better quality" - also Democrats, but not so crass, a purveyor of expensive "save the world" electric car status symbols in one case, and an upper-crust environmental lawyer in the other. They were darlings of the PMC set before they weren't. And from what I'm seeing I think they actually hate them even more than the orange bad man. (I think this also ties back to the covid response as a status symbol - the right kind of people stayed home on their laptops and bought into everything that went along with that, while the wrong kind of people kept picking up the trash and delivering pizza and figured out the whole thing was BS, but if you agree with them you might as well be one of them - or worse than them, really, because you at least ought to know better.)
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-17 01:13 am (UTC)If someone said they were considering naming their son Rush, then most Americans would immediately think of Rush Limbaugh, but if the same person said they were considering the name Sean, I doubt the majority of people would immediately think of Sean Hannity, as Sean is a common name while Rush isn't. Common names have less risk of guilt by association, in a sense.
Re: Hot takes
Date: 2025-05-19 11:50 am (UTC)But I went to school with several Seans.
One of those statements is much less surprising than the other.