Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 185

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: I got double-vaxxed back in 2021...

[stubborn_ass]

FWIW, you're not the only poster popping up in the past few months asking such a question. Interesting data point in its own way. People can draw their own conclusions as to where the zeitgeist is going...

You are at least cognizant enough to realize you likely didn't get a placebo... why ask if you are out of the woods, when you can be taking pro-active actions to detox. Even if your body has finally stopped producing the spike protein, the detox protocols discussed here will improve your general health and vitality, so it's a win-win in that sense. There are collected archives where you can read all the past posts and start to take ownership of your own health. This is a test of your own free will of what you choose to do. From hard-earned experience, it is simply not sustainable to help those who don't choose to help themselves.

For some additional context... the latest Yale report which has been mentioned in this week's post (MWD) stated that they found some folks were still producing spikes 709 days after their last shots. That's almost 2 years later. One thing about this forum is that by combining our own observations and deductions without the overt system censorship, we tend to be many many months ahead of what 'science' chooses to admit to. So let me tell you, that based on my son's eczema situation, being in a high-status school where the parents are slavish-to-the-system jabberwockies, as that was how they got financially 'rich', that I still see the kids shedding 3 !!!years past their last jab. I don't need fancy tests to tell me that their bodies are still producing the spikes, as I have to keep dealing with the actual consequences of the ongoing excess shedding. Those teenage boys are still young and vigorous, so their immune system is handling that crazy spike load - for now.

By comparison, we just celebrated Chinese New Year a few weeks ago... it's a combination of Thanksgiving / Christmas / New Year festivities and visiting, all in one. So we had huge family gatherings.

On my side of the family, which tend towards being more 'educated' and well-to-do.... all the adults have seemingly aged more than 10 years in the past year since I saw them last. They really look horrible. No one wants to talk about their health issues anymore... and conversational topics were decidedly banal. A very determined head-in-the-sand mentality.

On my wife's side, there's a greater mix of working-class folks... the adults look to be 5-8 years older. SO noticeably more aged, but not the sense of incipient decrepitness that I saw on my side of the family. The correlation being, the more jabbed, the more screwed they get.

The younger folks seem ok for the most part... yet we know that younger folks actually shed more, so by default their bodies can still be producing a ton of spikes. My conclusion is that everyone's immune system is continually being stress-tested by the spike and it's after-effects, and at some point, instead of just easily falling sick again and again, they start a cycle of much more serious illnesses and a big downcycle in health.

Anyways, circling back to your original question... you have a lot more data points now. So it's your move, chief.

Re: I got double-vaxxed back in 2021...

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

Re: I got double-vaxxed back in 2021...

[boccaccio]

Stubborns observation above may well be one of the most important recent posts on this forum. The spike-production goes on for years if not forever in some people. The question is if everybody that got the gene therapy is still poducing, or only a subset.

I just came along this post on X from a registered nurse

So the Yale Listen Study said 709 days per their testing of vaxinjured still having continuous spike production (which I am a participant in this study) and show T cell exhaustion etc

Well it’s actually longer than that:

My first injection was 12/23/2020 and I haven’t stopped producing spike and it’s now 02/21/2025

8 months after my 2 Moderna injections I still had large amounts of spike detected per antigen testing- & I’ve never had Covid( results below)

That’s 1,521 days - of continuous spike protein production with NO OFF SWITCH since my first injection & STILL in my body to date

Let that sink in!

(3 years worth of Cytokine 14 panels & S1 immune subset panels below)

I am a documented, confirmed & diagnoses Adverse reaction to MRNA vaccine ( T50.B95A)
(https://x.com/HouseLyndseyRN/status/1893081833530892582)

This unfortunate lady has undenialble proof that she's been producing spike for more than 4 years!

We've talked many times about the possible mechanisms that can make someone producing spike long term so I won't repeat it here. My main interest is how many people are afflicted and possible remedies.

In the past I made an estimation that 15-25% of the total population in mRNA vaxxed countries are having undiagnosed bloodclots, which could very well be caused by the spikes. But there could be people with spike and no clots or vice versa. Still, I would expect the percentages to be in the same ballpark.

In the same way, Czech Republic has a 22% decline in live births and the decline still continued in 2024. I have little doubt that spike is very detrimental to fertility, so the decline would be congruent with continued spike production. But this does not mean that 22% of the population still have spike production. It could be worse if a larger percentage is still producing spike, but 22% is so weak that they became infertile.

Stubborn, do you have any idea what percentage of the mRNA vaxxed have continuous spike production? Would this be all of the vaxxed or only a subset?

And to the commentariat, although there are plenty of detox protocols, they detox the body from spike but don't aim to stop the production of spike. Does anyone know of approaches aimed at stopping spike production?

My first thoughts: as long as we do not know for sure the actual mechanism it will be difficult. I would think of fasting to reset the immune system, testing gut biome to see if those bacteria are producing the spike (coupled with attacking biofilm with for example Fenben, natto, serra), autopsies to see if spike producing cells can be found in places that are difficult to reach for the immune system.

Re: I got double-vaxxed back in 2021...

[boccaccio]

I found the Yale study, it's still online: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.02.18.25322379v1.full.pdf

The important bits are scattered across the paper.

line 209 the PVS cohort had significantly higher proportions of exhausted CD8 T cell - T-cell exhaustion will make the victimes much more vulnerable to any infection. If many people have exhausted T-cells it could explain the many waves of infections.

Line 389:we observed that the highest levels of detectable S1 in the PVS-I group were the furthest away from the last known exposure and ranging between greater than 600-700 days (NI-1 & NI-5; Figure 5G). - In other words, the severest cases of vax damage had the highest levels of spike and were the longste away in time from their last exposure.

What is strange is that spike was only established in 33.6% of the vax damaged cases. In the healthy control group the percentage was 12.9%. I wonder how precise the methodology of establishing spike is. If continued and increasing presence of spike (either by prodution or immuno tolerance) is the cause of long-vax damage, the percentage should be close to 100.

line 462 A large fraction of individuals reported the onset of symptoms to be as early as within one day of COVID-463 19 vaccination. - This is in line with some reports that even neurological issues could start within an hour of the injection. This sounds to me like the root cause is immunological. Other causes would take longer to appear.

line 464 Compared with controls, participants with PVS had reduced CD4+ T cell subsets in circulation. Most notably, we found elevated levels of spike (S1 and full-length S) in circulation up to 709 days after vaccination among a subset with PVS, even in those with no evidence of detectable SARS-CoV-2 infection. - that last part is concerning. People walking around with elevated spike levels without symptoms are at risk for symptoms showing up later down the line. No surprise to the regulars on this forum, but what we suspected here for years finally gets some acknowledgement by science.

line 475 To date, only a few studies have investigated the immunological mechanisms associated with PVS - that is an important omission indeed

line 486 S1 antigen has been detected in mRNA-1273 vaccine recipients without a prior history of viral infection within an average of five days after the first injection and becomes undetectable by day 14. By contrast, in our study, significantly elevated levels of circulating S1 and S were observed in a subset of PVS participants both in the infection-naive and infection-positive groups up to 709 days post-exposure. - this is actually positive as it shows a different development from the beginnning in people who were harmed by the vax and those who didn't