I wish a happy MM to you and anyone else reading this.
I have two questions.
1) Do you have any recommendations for someone interested in approaching theurgic work from a pagan/polytheistic angle? I'm aware that you've already provided a polytheistic template for the MP ritual, though I understand that this would energetically conflict with a long-term SoP practice.
2) Could you please expand on the notion of elementals not having a Divine Spark (or a soul in general)? Having approached this as a theme for meditation, and admittedly, as someone coming from a cabalistic background, I really struggle to grasp the idea of an entity, or anything really, existing without being 'rooted' in the more spiritual levels of reality. That is to say, how can an entity exist in one of the more tangible realms without also existing in the Supernal Realms, especially when the reverse seems more plausible?
Now I understand that these are all metaphors to train the mind and not to inform it and that I should be flexible when it comes to 'code-switching' between occult paradigms. That said, having learned about elementals as autonomous soul-less entities within the context of a 7 Plane paradigm (as presented in the OPW) makes me wonder to what extent is each plane truly self-contained and self-sufficient. I also wonder if 'existence', in the 7 Plane model, is an intrinsic quality that each plane possesses on its own terms as opposed to being a quality derived from a spiritual plane or other Kether-equivalent. My preliminary meditations seem to indicate that this is the case, though to me this opens a new can of worms that will need further meditation (and perhaps another question will be forthcoming next week). You've said before that the planes are discrete and not continuous, but the seeming isolation between the planes that seemingly allows for the existence of entities such as elementals makes me feel oddly distressed. Care to throw me a bone?
Apologies if the second question appears nonsensical or if the phrasing is incomprehensible. If it is, then please disregard it.
Thanks again for hosting MM and offering your time as you do.
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Date: 2025-01-20 06:08 am (UTC)I wish a happy MM to you and anyone else reading this.
I have two questions.
1) Do you have any recommendations for someone interested in approaching theurgic work from a pagan/polytheistic angle? I'm aware that you've already provided a polytheistic template for the MP ritual, though I understand that this would energetically conflict with a long-term SoP practice.
2) Could you please expand on the notion of elementals not having a Divine Spark (or a soul in general)? Having approached this as a theme for meditation, and admittedly, as someone coming from a cabalistic background, I really struggle to grasp the idea of an entity, or anything really, existing without being 'rooted' in the more spiritual levels of reality. That is to say, how can an entity exist in one of the more tangible realms without also existing in the Supernal Realms, especially when the reverse seems more plausible?
Now I understand that these are all metaphors to train the mind and not to inform it and that I should be flexible when it comes to 'code-switching' between occult paradigms. That said, having learned about elementals as autonomous soul-less entities within the context of a 7 Plane paradigm (as presented in the OPW) makes me wonder to what extent is each plane truly self-contained and self-sufficient. I also wonder if 'existence', in the 7 Plane model, is an intrinsic quality that each plane possesses on its own terms as opposed to being a quality derived from a spiritual plane or other Kether-equivalent. My preliminary meditations seem to indicate that this is the case, though to me this opens a new can of worms that will need further meditation (and perhaps another question will be forthcoming next week). You've said before that the planes are discrete and not continuous, but the seeming isolation between the planes that seemingly allows for the existence of entities such as elementals makes me feel oddly distressed. Care to throw me a bone?
Apologies if the second question appears nonsensical or if the phrasing is incomprehensible. If it is, then please disregard it.
Thanks again for hosting MM and offering your time as you do.