Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 178

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. I have added a new rule (see below, #6):

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How do you think their next attempt to pressure the populace to get "vaccinated" will go?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it will tie in with the introduction of digital ID - it's "voluntary" but you can't use certain services without it i.e. here in Australia it's rumoured that you won't be able to file a tax return without it, if you can't file a tax return it will be near impossible to access any Centrelink ( our federal social security/ social services department) services or payments. Then they will be able track everyone's fox compliance and that will become a prerequisite to Centrelink payments (age pension, dole, family support payments). Boom,in an age of dwindling affordability - they will get near total compliance.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen (ostensibly) videos of the mystery drones 'spraying' and some reports claim (not sure based on what exactly) these are vaccines for the bird flu.


I don't have any more information that that so don't really know what's up.

[escorcher]

Not quite sure there is quite the united 'them' or 'their' as you make out but I did see this doing the rounds on X/Twitter today:

https://x.com/CaulfieldTim/status/1874119417317253584

"COVID vaccines saved (and continue to save) lives, improve health & pregnancy outcomes, reduce long COVID risks, save healthcare costs/resources, etc."

Members of the pro-vixenation brigade on X are very much using this world map of COVID mortality as 'proof' that vixenation 'saved' those (richer) nations who promoted and pushed them. Given this data is from 2021 it doesn't cover any of the longer term issues with COVID vixenation and only a short 'protected' period so is, at best, really disingenuous but just sharing what's popped up today. :-/

[(Anonymous)]

I see stuff like that and I think: yeah, well, believe that and keep on vaxxing and we'll see who's still able to leave their house, walking normally, in another 5 years.

As Substacker Excess Deaths Australia says, "No one is coming to save us. Non-compliance is all we have and all we ever had."

Those cannot discern lies from truth will reap the consequences, and while some have the chance the learn from their mistakes while still in this physical vehicle, some do not. It is ever thus.

[(Anonymous)]

Found out about a guy I did not know well but tangentially same 'art world' circles.
Just a few days after his happy birthday party poof. "Suddenly." No cause given.

Very recently.

Is none of this 'anecdotal' evidence getting through to people? Some? Much?

Is none of this 'anecdotal' evidence getting through to people?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it is... I live in an area that totally bought into the vax. Being sick all the time, cancer, heart problems, and died suddenly is just the new normal for the true believers. The only thing I hear from them, if I hear anything at all, is that Covid is to blame, i.e., all issues are due to the virus, not the vax. All of the vaxxed have had the virus multiple times, so it is easy for them to take that stance. They all still believe that they did the right thing and that they are the good people, unlike us dirty, ignorant unvaxxed. Nothing has changed in their minds.

Let me give you an example: my current boss was complaining last Fall that he just went and got the latest booster to protect him from getting Covid and he got Covid shortly after. I said, "I have thoughts..." He replied, "I know you do." My vax status is well known. A few weeks after his vax/Covid episode, he made a "joking" comment to me that I really should get vaxxed because it seems like whenever I babysit my grandchildren, I get sick (referring to the one time I got a Norovirus from my grandkids; and I still worked, just didn't come into the office to spread it around). So... no logical thinking going on in his mind. Even though he got sick after the vax, the vax is still all powerful and everyone should take it. He is completely typical in my area. Most of the vaxxed will die sooner than they might have otherwise and it will not be because of the vax as far as they are concerned. Oh well, we all get to die.

Re: Is none of this 'anecdotal' evidence getting through to people?

[(Anonymous)]

Custer's Last Stand was him having to do 'the right thing' I'm sure. :-) :-) :-)

SOMEBODY has to do the right thing. COWARDS certainly won't.

Yes the logic is failsafe. I hear you.

Re: Is none of this 'anecdotal' evidence getting through to people?

[(Anonymous)]

That's my same experience. No dot connecting, subject taboo.

My one relative who is unvaxxed -- sometimes we make eye contact and mutter "doctors are baffled."

In 2019, never in a million years would have believed this would be happening.

[(Anonymous)]

Heard from Boomers who go to church regularly, no first hand knowledge of this so take it as such. But every church has a "prayerlist"? And the "prayerlist" these days is overwhelmed with people coming down with various forms of cancer.

I clear my throat and say "vaccines" and they go "yeah and we don't bring that up".

[coyote_girl]

I suspect it will be less uptake than the last attempt. Given the declining number of people getting boosters it looks like there has been some disillusionment of the magic needle. I know of a couple of people who feel rather conned into getting them and are not happy about it. Then yes, there are both the true believers and those who will never admit they have been fooled.

How many more people will stand their ground and refuse the pressure than last time is a good question.

Given that some pols show a higher approval rating for the assassin of a healthcare CEO than for the current president who tried to mandate the shots through an OSHA regulation, institutional credibility is not what it used to be.

It seems they are now just testing the waters. I expect there will be more creative and rude refusals than last time.