Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 134
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ecosophia
We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2024-02-27 03:48 pm (UTC)https://doctoraseem.com/top-cardiologist-calls-on-gmc-to-investigate-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/
When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 03:50 pm (UTC)Are there hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* cooperate with government-enforced mass quarantine measures (i.e. total lockdowns or more localized blockades)? Can such measures be considered a reasonable option for democratic societies?
Similarly, but separately, are there hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* cooperate with a government-enforced vaccine mandate?
I ask because in listening to my own stream of thought about this (often in the middle of the night, the same sorts of things over and over again), I feel myself getting into a dualistic rut, and if there's nuance to be found here I want to stretch my mind to see it.
Dylan
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 05:37 pm (UTC)Your questions would mean something very different if I were in a situation of a sane, functioning society where I trusted the motives, veracity and intelligence of the authorities who might be asking for such measures as forced vaccinations or quarantines.
Given that sort of rational setting, yes there might be conditions I'd consider it.
BUT - that is not our situation.
Given the history of the last several years I have lost all trust in the authorities who might be requesting such measures - precisely because they violated the trust of people the last time they were requested/coerced/demanded.
So - given our current situation and history - are there situations I would consent to such measures?
F--k no.
"But this time it's different; it's real this time!" They said that last time.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, welcome to the USA - we're from the government and we're here to help.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 05:40 pm (UTC)Interesting questions! Not sure I can answer definitively to either one except to say "it depends." I never thought I'd be the type of person to directly disobey government mandates that are imposed for the sake of safety, yet here I am.
Perhaps think of a future situation as a gradation of choices rather than "either-or". That latter viewpoint, the binary, is pushed hard on us every day in modern society. If the binary of choices are either to comply or to disobey, then what options could we find in the middle, to either side of the binary, or a third choice that opposes the binary altogether.
Many people probably took the middle road, being a mixture of compliance and disobedience (like me).
Others have taken their health into their own hands, either by enforcing their own private mandates (must be vaxxed to visit, always wear masks, etc.) while others have completely sworn off conventional medicine.
Others still might find ways to avoid the system and government as much as possible, minimizing the need to engage with any of it to begin with.
My two (three?) cents.
Tim PW
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 05:48 pm (UTC)Allowing that kind of power to be exercised requires trust.
Trust requires honesty.
The blatantly dishonest manner in which the covid response was conducted - not just by a few bad players, but by just about all who were in positions of authority - betrayed so many so badly that the system, and our leaders who administer it, have conclusively proven that they cannot be trusted.
If we are ever asked to cooperate with such measures again, there is only one logical response: GO FISH!!
Old Steve
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 06:18 pm (UTC)In the US at least, there is a long history of corruption in such matters-- any time the government is given sole custody of any group of people (starting at least as far back as when we moved the indians onto reservations, and continuing through prisons, hospitals, schools, and pretty much every other captive market), and a budget sufficient to provide for their welfare.... those entrusted with executing the thing end up embezzling the funds, bloating the admin, and shorting the people they're supposed to be providing for. The reasons for the internment are irrelevant. The important thing is, once you hedge people in, and make them dependent on the government, there's no feedback system for ensuring that resources allocated to them actually reach them. Somewhere along the line, there's a guy who's taking that $10k food budget, pocketing $8k, and bribing his buddy to sign a receipt saying the food shipped cost $10k... even though it was a truckload of expired ramen and some ground horse.
I'd far rather take my chances with a deadly disease.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 07:03 pm (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 07:12 pm (UTC)(Quarantines for people and animals coming in from abroad, that's another matter. Not that I have any confidence in the authorities anymore on this count, either.)
Mandates for vaccinations, so-called, any and all: Hard no.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 08:54 pm (UTC)Quarantines and other such measures within a country need to be implemented within strict legal limits that respect citizens' and residents' human rights, and also respect the integrity of the governing system itself (executive, judicial, administrative), therefore, the measures need to be declared, administered, supervised, and concluded by health autorities that citizens have reason to trust are operating transparently, competently, and definitively for the citizenry's well-being, and again, with respect for citizens' and residents' human rights. We do not have that at this time. So: no.
(Quarantines for people and animals arriving from abroad, that's another matter. Not that I have any confidence in the authorities anymore on this count, either.)
Mandates for vaccinations, so-called, any and all: Hard no.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 09:04 pm (UTC)Vaccines necessarily involve someone getting injured or even killed, few though those numbers may be (or not). Therefore to mandate a vaccine is to oblige a someone to participate in a death and injury lottery. That is immoral.
As we know, our government lied about the deaths and injuries data, it censored those who questioned or spoke out about deaths and injuries, and it otherwise tried to hide and obfuscate and generally totally abandoned the injured and the breaved to their lonely, arduous, oftentimes excruciating and financially ruinous fates.
Again: Hard no. Frack no.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 07:22 pm (UTC)I very much prefer solitude, so lockdowns would not be a burden on me. That being said,if another one was declared without serious and concrete evidence of it being needful, it would be my moral duty to set a good example and get out more.
Vaccines? Unless I get bit by a rabid critter, not another one as long as I live. The proper response now is two words and one finger, either extended or ready to squeeze.
I went through the first round of lockdowns as one of those expendable/essential workers. That front row seat had shown the virus to be a nothingburger and the shots to be an atrocity. They lied about it all.
That was a good reason to put 'collapse now and avoid the rush' into full gear.
I took the last severance offer from my former job. Just enough time in to make the minimum to cash out a small pension. Not one penny is going into the markets. That's either fraud or blood money as I see it. I am not lending corporations my money to make the rope they want to hang me with. Time to handle money like it's 1932.
Since health insurance is now legalized racketeering and hospitals look as safe as a bad neighborhood at 3 AM, my insurance was allowed to expire. We'll see how well the I-am-responsible-for-my-own-health-and-safety plan works.
So far walking away from a lot of the crap that is the 21st century is really looking up. It is starting to look more hellbilly than hippy though. Gonna expand the garden this year and see how tobacco does in this climate.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 09:09 pm (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 08:01 pm (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 08:26 pm (UTC)Are there any hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* condone dismantling the entire government health department and all related organizations, such as CDC, etc? Can a society function without *any* such services?
Similarly, and equally hypothetical: would you be prepared to make *all* pharmaceutical medicines illegal (as in: highly forbidden to produce, own, use or recommend) if they would be shown to have more harms than benefits?
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 11:52 pm (UTC)2) For me, no. The habit of banning things inevitably casts too wide a net.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 01:02 am (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 08:37 pm (UTC)1. Don't go around pissing people off.
2. You can't make people do what they don't want to do.
3. Never, ever, EVER trust government.
That is all.
Licensed Templar
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 09:11 pm (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-27 08:50 pm (UTC)Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 12:03 am (UTC)The issue of complying with government emergency measures, as many others have said in this thread, involves trust. If I trusted that the authorities were in possession of good information that is not available to me, understood it in some way that is beyond my comprehension, and were acting in good faith, then yes, I suppose I might go along with it.
However, the world we live in today is one in which the authorities have been shown to be unrepentant liars acting in bad faith. I don't trust anything they say unless I can independently verify it, and even then I still harbor doubts.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 01:20 am (UTC)Having said that, I’ll bite. My answer would be “yes” under the following conditions:
As regards the disease it must
1) have a high case fatality rate at least several orders of magnitude worse than the flu among those who are healthy, non-immune-compromised across all age groups (probably at least 1-5%).
2) be highly transmissible via breathing or casual contact (R0 at least 2.0).
3) have a long incubation time, AND an infected person typically be asymptomatic for at least a few days before symptom onset (so we don’t have asymptomatic infected people spreading a deadly virus)
4) have no animal reservoirs (in which case the virus can never be eradicated)
As regards the vaccine it must
1) be sterilizing (i.e. prevents infection/transmission with a likelihood at least 99%)
2) not incorporate experimental technologies (e.g. no mRNA shots or adenovirus carriers).
3) it must have safety data acquired first with animals for at least 3 months, followed by at least one year of human safety AND efficacy data involving at least 10,000 subjects and 10,000 controls, which show that having received the vaccine is at least an order of magnitude safer than not having it. (This was not done with the C19 shots).
4) The experimental protocol must NOT be performed by a party with a financial interest in vaccine approval. All experimental data from ALL experiments be made public and factored into the approval/authorization process.
As regards vaccine policy
1) The vaccine must NOT be required for those who have recovered from the disease (which may be proven via antibody tests).
2) The national regulatory apparatus must NOT be funded by interests that stand to benefit from prospective vaccine policies.
3) Said regulatory apparatus must be accountable to the public for any policies which affect the public. Regulators must be prohibited from rotating into employment with the industries that they regulated for a least 7 years after leaving public service, and even then forfeit their pensions earned from their regulatory employment (including retro-actively).
4) The vaccine must not be administered during an epidemic/pandemic, as this has been understood for decades as having the potential to drive viral evolution to evade the vaccine.
5) Pregnant or nursing women and nursing infants must be excluded from any mandates.
6) Medical exemptions for medically specified issues must genuinely be permitted.
Anyway, this is my off-the-cuff response to your question. It wouldn’t take much to persuade me that my criteria are overly lax. We “anti-vaxxers” are not all that unreasonable.
—Lunar Apprentice
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 04:37 am (UTC)If the conditions you cite above were true, the government would not need to mandate anything-- everyone would jump to take the necessary countermeasures.
This "incident" (global train wreck) has just confirmed my view that anything someone else tries to force you into doing, is 99% probably bad for you.
So, no, I would not cooperate with any government-enforced mass anything.
- Cicada Grove
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 02:16 pm (UTC)YES - then mandates are not necessary.
NO - then mandates are not necessary.
Do manmdates make some people feel good? Obviously.
Do mandates make some people feel bad? Obviously.
Do mandates make some people feel good that the people who feel bad feel bad? Oh, I think that's the idea.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 06:16 pm (UTC)I was going to say the same thing. It's only stuff that doesn't work that requires heavy marketing and coercion.
I'm reminded of those sort of essential brands that have never invested a penny on marketing (Like Jabonería Corona, a natural soap maker in Mexico) in contrasts with Choke-a-Cola
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 08:55 pm (UTC)When I was a medical resident, and later a Neuroscience Fellow, I performed independent medical research. Not a lot, but I was principle author of 2 papers that were published in peer-reviewed journals. In one of those projects, I developed patentable technology, and hired a patent attorney. A week later, I received a phone call from an official who was located in a VA (US Veterans Administration) administrative office in Wash. DC. He asked if I thought the work was patentable. Me: “yes”. Him: “Are you attempting to patent it?”*. Me: “yes”. Him: “Stop immediately. You are not permitted to do this”. He went on to describe how my residency and fellowship were VA funded, and that being the case, I did not have patent rights**.
Why do I go into this history? Well, a certain A. Fauci who was head of the CDC for years was named on a number of patents that are medical technology-related, and he received ample royalties amounting to tens if not hundreds of millions of $. Some of his patents related to the C19 virus or vex, and he received royalties while heading the CDC. So he not only doesn’t have to play by the rules we must play by, he had a brazen conflict of interest which did not preclude him from setting public health policy he had a financial stake in.
So my next proposed condition for vex mandates is: Regulatory officials who promulgate public health policy shall have no conflicts of interest.
—Lunar Apprentice
I suspected he already knew I trying to patent, and that sent chills down my spine. I didn’t know what penalties there might be for lying to a government Big Shot, and I wasn’t about to find out.
** There was contractual fine print too. Strictly speaking, I would have 25% rights to any patents, but only the VA could file for the patent, which they never did.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 02:35 am (UTC)Is this a frail hope? Maybe. I thought it would be okay to express it in a forum like this. I am just losing a lot of sleep carrying around this sadness and disappointment about the people in my life in whom I used to place trust and esteem.
Your response is highly detailed and useful. At a glance, it seems to me that our current situation met precisely none of those criteria. Am I right?
My response to my own initial questions would hinge less on epidemiological criteria than it would on constitutional criteria. As in, could a democracy deploy policies like this in a real crisis and come through the other side still being a healthy democracy? Which some of your points touch on. I am still formulating my response, which so far is pretty much 'no'.
And thank you for taking the terms of my questions seriously. A lot of responses so far have focused on *this situation* rather than the *hypothetical situation* that I asked about. Although I have notched up a lot of humourous things to say to government officials who come knocking at my door, for which I am grateful to the enthusiastic posters here.
Dylan
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 04:36 am (UTC)Poor soul, no, you are not crazy and you are far from alone.
My dad was a PhD biochemist, specializing in immunology, who worked for a pharmaceutical company for 30+ years. A real brainiac and you would think he would have seen these suckers coming a mile away as soon as I sent him the article on how the Pfizer shot is made... but no.... he sucked down the entire gallon of Kool-aid, took every shot and booster he could lay his hands on, and died of "multiple 100% blockages" to his heart. If he hadn't been 93 and suffering from horrible osteoporosis, I would have been madder... but as it is, I think the shots tipped him over the rim.
A lady I know who hates Biden, "mistrusts the government", and already had Cooties-19 in 2020 nevertheless took the shots because she had to move in temporarily with a friend whose 80-year-old mother insisted... and I had no chance to warn her off the shots in time.
The people who got tipped over and went for this continue to amaze me. People I thought were hard-core skeptics. A lot of other people on this forum have commented likewise. It's the most amazing mass insanity event I have ever seen, or heard of in history.
Crunching through the CDC numbers, I have found that only 9% of the US adult population age 18-65 have never had a cooties faux... and only 5% of those over 65. You and I both... most of the people we know have had the shots.
Hang in there, hope you can get some sleep.
- Cicada Grove
P.S.: The article on how the Pfizer shots are made:
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/
hint: artificial spike protein-- tweaked to keep it straight
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-03-02 01:17 am (UTC)Yes, I'm not sure I can think of a similar event in history, where so many people made so many bad decisions so quickly and in such lockstep. It makes me almost wish to discover that I myself am the crazy one- that would in some ways be an easier reality to live with.
Can I ask where you found or how you arrived at your 9% US unvaxxed figure? I could readily believe it of my country, Canada, but surely in the land of the free there was much greater dissension?
Thank you for your good wishes with the sleep issues. It is an ongoing difficulty, and I think the emotions are the cause rather than anything physical. I shall endeavour to keep journalling and keep in contact with other sympathetic souls.
Dylan
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-03-03 03:23 am (UTC)Well, I'm an anal-ytical, and so I crunched the data mostly from the CDC's website:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-onedose-pop-5yr
This page has 3 tabs-- "at least 1 shot", "completed primary series" (whatever that is, does that mean 2 shots?), and "updated bivalent booster dose".
I did math using the "count" and the "percent" to figure out the total US population and the populations of each group; those numbers came in for use later.
The trouble with these data is that it's not clear how the numbers of people who took plain-vanilla boosters overlaps (or doesn't) with the number of people who took the bivalent booster(s). CDC doesn't call out numbers for plain boosters at all, nor for sure "how many people got only 2 shots".
Looking at the numbers on the CDC site today, I find the needle has barely moved for 1 shot and "primary series" since I crunched the numbers a year ago. It appears that most Americans are pretty much "done" with the shots. However, the number of people getting bivalent boosters has grown by about 4-6 million in each of the age groups under 65 (these are still about 20% of their age groups total). I imagine this gives us an idea of the population of "true believers" in the US. (about 50 million) Sadly, they are also still dosing their kids. :P
In the "land of the free" there was indeed much foot-dragging after about June of 2021, and then the baseball bat came out. Biden as you recall, attempted to mandate the entire country into taking the shots-- he had no legal standing to do so, actually, but loads of employers were only too happy to enforce them on their employees. "Take the shot or lose your job". Biden did have leverage over our military (soldiers can't flee or they are declared AWOL and wind up in the stockade) and our airlines (a significant portion of the airlines' business is hauling things for the government, and they are an extremely low-margin business so they couldn't afford to P.O. the government), so those populations pretty much got forced into taking the shots. As did a lot of people in New York State and especially New York City.
Internationalism comments: In our respective countries, we get ideas of what people from certain other countries are like, that turn out not to be entirely true. For example, I had an image of Australians as rugged, practical outback-wranglers from the movie "Crocodile Dundee", but Mr. Dundee probably reflects only 1% or so of the Australian population. During this mass insanity event I learned from comments here (thank you SO much for these threads, JMG!!!) how many Australians actually are domesticated city dwellers and were only too happy to go along with the lemming rush.
Similarly, I thought that Canadians, Germans, and New Zealanders for example were kind, nice, sane level-headed people who would never go for totalitarian measures. And, I think, this is true of the grassroots citizens-- but boy, did the leaders of those countries ever go nuts! It astounded me.
I think those from other countries also get a fictionalized impression of Americans-- perhaps as rampaging cowboys waving guns about. Actually, rugged outdoorsy people in cowboy hats are only 1 or 2% of the US population, and most Americans also live in cities. Several cities, such as Chicago, NYC, and Washington DC, ban gun ownership outright. But the most citified, "liberal" and supposedly "most anti-tyranny" U.S. populations were the ones who hit people over the head hardest to take the shots.
OTOH, the Canadian Trucker Protest was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. A Niceness Tsunami. You Canucks showed us all how it is done. Now if you can ever buck your tyrannical leaders off your backs you'll be doing great. Same for all the rest of us around the world.
- Cicada Grove
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 05:57 am (UTC)I don't think your vex'd friends and family are crazy. I do think their compliance reflects a deep human inclination to make important decisions based upon social criteria, rather than upon risk assessment derived from scientific concepts, data, probability and a formal reasoning process under conditions of uncertainty. Few people are educationally, intellectually and emotionally equipped to do that well.
So basically we're looking at peer pressure for adults.
Our nature inclines us to trust authority, and our culture and mass media reinforce this. And that's before considering the sophisticated propaganda campaign we've all been immersed in. If you happen to be Christian, I think this is a good situation to recall: "Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do" (note I'm talking just about your friends and family, not those orchestrating this mess. They DO know what they are doing).
Please accept my condolences for your sadness and disappointment. In that regard, you seem worse off than me, as at least I've been able to keep my daughters unvexxed over the objections of my former wife. I literally thank G-d for that (along with my divorce attorney). I'm also thankful for recovering my livelihood after loosing it for being a refusenik.
And to answer your second question: "it seems to me that our current situation met precisely none of those criteria. Am I right?" Answer: Yes, you are right.
(and that includes my addendum posted above your reply)
The fact you are right is a devastating indictment of our country's leadership, and the vast crime they have pulled off.
Not to argue with you, I do think epidemiological factors are crucial data even in personal decision-making, at least in this instance. But then I'm trained as an engineer, physician and researcher, and have grand mal Aspergers syndrome to boot. So I can't get too uptight when others don't see things my way.
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-03-02 01:40 am (UTC)"Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do"... I do happen to be a Christian, and these are potent words for me.
What I am struggling with is the thought that my friends and family may not have understood the science or the risks or the degree of government corruption, but they did understand morality as I understand it, having been raised in the same religious setting I was. Yes, a sophisticated propaganda campaign and mass peer pressure caused them to mis-evaluate the risks, but why did they have to do what they did next? To my mind it's not the vax that's the horrible part of it all, it's the vax passport.
I don't interpret the Bible literally, rather as a God-given encyclopedia of situational archetypes that can be applied to literally anything that happens in our lives, and I wonder how is it that none of them recognized the mark of the beast when the government started pushing it on us? (Again, I'm not literally claiming that this is what happened, I just think the author of the book of Revelation knew how to illustrate the full horror of a totalitarian ID system- in real life that kind of evil just looks so, you know, banal. But it's clearly the kind of thing that the bad guys do, not the good guys).
In short, I started out this disaster saying, 'Yes, of course I will forgive them,' and now... I'm finding it harder and harder.
Dylan
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-03-02 03:02 am (UTC)Yeah, I hear you. It has been a tough month for me, too. Had thought I was approaching some equanimity around how a bunch of ostensibly "spiritual" people I hung out with for 20 years abandoned their alleged principles. And then wham, I just realized how wrong it is to just play nice and pretend I wasn't shunned like a leper. Nope, I'll talk to any one of them, but I won't pretend I belong at that community ever again.
"But everyone was so afraid!" someone tried to explain to me once. Well, when wasn't fear running rampant during the worst abuses in human history?
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 06:04 am (UTC)--Lunar Apprentice
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 09:59 am (UTC)Eamonn.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-03-02 01:06 am (UTC)That says well what I am feeling, so thank you Eamonn. My process now, I've realized, is sorting through what my feelings are telling me that is true (maybe it's better not to trust most or all of these people with big things ever again) and how I can move forward given that these are people close to me and will continue to be so.
Dylan
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 02:19 am (UTC)Quarantines used to be common, a person has a relay bad illness that we cant treat this has not been common with our current health model of taking them into hospital and having medicines that woek for the illnesses. BUt, yes, quarantines do make alot of sense. The old 1940s and 1950s home nursing books spend alot of time explaining how to keep a person confined to a sick room under quarantine.
Mass lock downs of entire apartment blocks or healthy people or entire towns -- makes no sense. BUt, there COULD concebably have such a horrid disease, so deadly, that such a mesure would need to be taken I think it is beyond unlikely, but people would realy be droppind dead like flies, which they lied about last time. SO, yeah, I bet we would not believe them ! It would take an awful lot to do so
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 02:36 am (UTC)Taking a shot is a medical decision that should never ever , ever be mandated. Treating vaccinated people differently than unvaccinated people is wroong. "quarrantining" unvaccinated people is a missuse of the word. YOu can or should only quarrantine sick people until they are over it.
BUt, again, they lied to use about the extreme quarantine measure this last time. ANd the PCR test is not a test for having an illness, so to quaratine based on a PCR test is non-sensical.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 02:52 am (UTC)With lockdowns and vaccine mandates, what you have is a very small group of people deciding what is best for the whole of society. It is not possible for such a small number of politicians, bureaucrats, and academics to know everything they would need to know to successfully implement such policies.
With covid, most of these people had zero qualifications and zero knowledge to be making the decisions that they were making. The politicians were all completely scientifically illiterate. Ditto for most of the health and medical bureaucrats. Many of the lockdown plans and measures were the products of bureaucrats who didn't really have a clue about any of the science. They were about as realistic as a five year plan.
Even the scientists that the governments were getting their advice from weren't necessarily fully informed in all of the relevant fields.
Here in Australia, none of the scientists advising the government or being quoted by the media seemed to be experts in corona-viruses. And there were various experts who were often in the media pushing the vaccine mandates, but if you looked into their backgrounds they turned out to be social scientists rather than immunologists (Katie Atwell, Deborah Lupton, Julie Leask). And if you looked at the social media of the small number of academics who were frequently quoted in the media, they usually turned out to be covid-zealots and left-wing activists.
Right from the start of covid, I also got the strong impression that there were some serious gaps in our knowledge of respiratory viruses. For example, there was the confusion in the first half of 2020 about whether covid was transmitted via surfaces or via aerosols. I mean, they've only been studying corona-viruses for the past 50 years. Surely the transmission mechanism should be well understood by now.
Given all the above, how can the government claim that they know what's best for the whole of society?
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 03:07 am (UTC)Despite all the scientific advice the government here in Australia were getting, they missed the fact that vaccines against respiratory viruses don't work.
There has never been a successful vaccine against any corona-virus or any other kind of common cold virus. This is because a common cold infection itself does not give sterilising immunity, meaning that a vaccine won't either. Then there is the fact that an injection is useless when it comes to eliciting mucosal immunity, which is what you really need to fight a common cold virus.
Just a really astounding failure of understanding by the government of what is basically high school level science.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 06:02 am (UTC)This is the same technique used in the run-up to declaring war. The bulk of the U.S. Boomer generation had made a lot of trouble when they were last herded towards “sacrificing” themselves on the altar of Vietnam. So a new bunch of crunchy organic carrots had to be hung out in from of the Big Shtick. Like, say,
“the Common Good™”
(while the actual commons were stolen and censored)
“Safety & Health™”
(while poisonous bioweapons were deployed on civilians and military alike)
“Effective $cience™”
(while ignoring all aspects and teachings of genuine science as practiced for thousands of years) and,
“Technological Progress™”
(meanwhile devastating the small business pillars of the economy and allowing the nation’s infrastructure to rot: from clogged ports to falling concrete condos, to pockmarked highways, water and electrical utility services left to rot unmaintained, unsafe bridges, and destroying all stable and reliable networks of communications based on copper wire telephones and independent news organs)
Those are just a few among many other brand names of New Commerce and Global Peace.
Which are the Stage Names of the homely concepts of Money and Power. Money for Me and Power for Mine.
War take foremost, devil take hindmost, and if there’s mercury in the fish and the vaccines, you peasants can just suck on it.
If public health and well-being and actual national security were at issue, well, there would be a genuine medical and health promotion national service instead of a money machine for insurance moguls.
There would be sincere and active diplomacy to dissuade all parites from engaging in biological warfare and a moratorium on development of bioweapons.
There would be genuine efforts to research alternative modes and methods of care while freely sharing the results of this health-giving research with the whole world as an inducement to rise above the level of beastly death-mongering by tinkering with microbes.
There would be money spent to bring clean water to women in every village and sanitary trenches dug by American tractors anywhere the work was wanted.
There would be neighborhood clinics at every fire station in the nation, supplied with ample cheap medications, staffed with 24-7 shifts of qualified medical personnel all working not for profits snaffled up by Business Majors and Hospital Admins, all striving to make care services scarce, low quality, and costly by excessive centralization of facilities, equipment, forcing punishing workloads on caregivers in the name of “efficiency” and underpaying everyone except the CEOS.
There would be a grateful-to-the-gods attitude about the wealth America once rolled in and a sense of noblesse oblige towards other peoples and towards the Earth. There would be pride in being of service to others and a sense of honor to uphold.
Money and Power could be tools to get a good job done instead of ends in themselves. But that can only take place when there is awareness of a reality beyond mortality and the plane of physical existence. So, I cannot look for that in the ruling classes as currently constituted. I suppose I could pray for that kind of awakening among them Is it not said that with God all things are possible?
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 12:42 pm (UTC)At the moment if you wanted to get me to take the vax you would need 4 or 5 coopers to break down the door and tackle me to the floor and hand cuff me. Then you might be able to do it. The only way to force me to obey a lock down would be to get 4 coopers to drag me to a cell and lock me up.
However, if we were going through something like the Black death and millions were dying in the street every day then you would not need to pass a law to keep me locked down. The only way you would get me out of my house is to have 4 coopers to smash the down down and drag me out. And with a third of the population dying I might even consider a vaccine they had developed for it.
Jasmine
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-28 06:09 pm (UTC)There is no force in the entire universe that will make me follow any of such scenarios if taken further than a pantomime. If such things happen, I already have an escape plan and I'm ready to lose my job and current lifestyle for it. My biggest hurdle would be finding a good home for my stuff and shipping my small library by boat.
I see very little relation here between democracy and such measures. Democracy is not about everyone being in agreement and doing sacrifices for the common "good" and taking the means on their hands, it's about electing officials by the people's vote, that would be more akin to a more socialist mindset or a repressive regime.
Ai Wei Wei recently made a loud statement showing how China is actually more free than the West and the US these days... and I agree with his sentiment, even if it is not factually accurate, which wasn't meant to be such.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 05:25 am (UTC)Do I have any objection to getting news of a pandemic on the way? No.
Do I object to people developing a vaccine and advertising it? No.
Do I object to having the new vaccine available to me locally, should I decide to use it? No.
Do I object to heavy-handed coercion for everyone to get the vaccine? Yes.
Give a large number of people a choice to do or not do anything, and some of us will, and some will not. This is probably evolutionary hard-wiring in action. No matter what proves out to be the right decision, there will be survivors and the race will survive. The price of that racial survival is the deaths of people who turned up on the wrong side of the decision.
In 2020, before any of us knew what would be the extent of COVID, the death rate, and whether effective vaccines would be developed that did not cause more harm than good-- Before all that-- There were already a large number of people who would not get the vaccine no matter what, and another large group that would get any vaccine developed, no matter what.
For the next pandemic of unknowable outcome? I plan to spend my energies on ensuring the right to choose to get a vaccine, or to choose not to get a vaccine, and have these decisions without social penalty. I do not, and cannot, know in advance what I will do.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 10:53 pm (UTC)Exactly, and I think it's great you are thinking about the future! And I also see a lot of people getting mobilized. Thats one thing I really admire about the US, many people know how to get stuff done.
Re: When would you comply?
Date: 2024-02-29 09:44 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-27 03:52 pm (UTC)this hearing is really good.
it includes ppl like lara logan, ed dowd, dr malone,
mattias desmet and many others. Hosted by senator ron johnson:
Federal Health Agencies and the COVID Cartel: What Are They Hiding?
https://rumble.com/v4fpw4c-federal-health-agencies-and-the-covid-cartel-what-are-they-hiding.html
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Date: 2024-02-27 03:53 pm (UTC)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/27/covid-vaccine-mandate-queensland-emergency-workers-police-ambulance-unlawful
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Date: 2024-02-27 04:06 pm (UTC)https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/watch-dr-phil-rattles-clueless-view-hosts-when/
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Date: 2024-02-28 06:31 pm (UTC)The response of the cast of The View, especially Goldberg, are going to give future generations a good reason to hate us.
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Date: 2024-02-28 07:29 pm (UTC)They are experts on everything. That's why they're on TV. Waxy crayons melting without knowing it.
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Date: 2024-02-29 01:19 am (UTC)Strange goings on
Date: 2024-02-27 06:02 pm (UTC)I knew nothing about shedding but sleeping in the same bed I'm sure I snagged a few of little demons that presented as three specific spots on my body. I don't think they got into by body as such or else my excellent, well practiced immune system cleaned them up rapidly.
Each nostril got a 'tickle' in a specific spot near its entrance that would cause me to sneeze multiple times a day; very odd and unusual for me. The 3rd spot was on my right side above the hip and towards my back, therefore difficult to see.
It was a black coloured, raised lesion about 3-4mm in diameter. At first I thought it a blood blister but in never went away. I wondered if it was a melanoma, but it never grew larger.
So finally on Shrove Tuesday I came down with chills, sweats and a mild fever that lasted about 18 hours after which I had some fairly mild head cold symptoms and a bit of a sore throat. I'd finally caught the little beast. There are still some lingering runny nose from time to time but really a nothing-burger as illnesses go.
On about day 4 I blew out some massive blood clots from my nose. The tickle has stopped.
A few days ago I absent-mindedly scratched the lesion and about half of it fell off. I checked my fungal pharmacy tome and found that 4 mushrooms had very good results against melanomas. I had powdered lion's mane which I made a poultice with turkey tail and cordyceps tinctures as liquids, put it on a bandaid and left it in place for 2 days.
The rest of the main body flaked off and all that is left is a tiny dot. I just put on a fresh poultice, so we'll see.
My theory is that my internal immune system got busy with the bug and finally cleaned up those trespassers on my surface. Does that make any sense to anyone else?
Re: Strange goings on
Date: 2024-02-28 12:24 pm (UTC)Can't find the source, though, I'm sorry. It might have been a member of this community.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Masks scandal in Spain
Date: 2024-02-27 07:20 pm (UTC)https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spanish-ex-minister-refuses-calls-resign-over-alleged-mask-scandal-2024-02-27/#:~:text=MADRID%2C%20Feb%2027%20(Reuters),contracts%20during%20the%20COVID%20pandemic.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-02-27/spanish-ex-minister-refuses-calls-to-resign-over-alleged-mask-scandal
https://www.spainenglish.com/2024/02/27/spain-psoe-tell-ex-minister-quit-over-alleged-face-masks-scandal/
What a shame, getting richer with the people fear to COVID...Some people thinks (me too) that Abalos cabal wasn't probably alone in the COVIDian masks "business".
-A Spaniard.
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Date: 2024-02-27 07:31 pm (UTC)https://www.zerohedge.com/political/study-finds-hearing-and-balance-disorders-among-covid-19-vaccinated
Hearing disorders after vaccination?
Date: 2024-03-04 02:34 am (UTC)Lathechuck
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Date: 2024-02-27 07:33 pm (UTC)https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-has-10-year-backlog-claims/5850611
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Date: 2024-02-27 07:34 pm (UTC)https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-26-moderna-shipped-mrna-vaccine-prototypes-unc-covid.html
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Date: 2024-02-27 09:53 pm (UTC)Ron M
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Date: 2024-02-28 04:39 am (UTC)Cooties was the flapping blanket; the injection was the cliff.
Welcome to the buffalo jump.
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Date: 2024-02-28 02:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 12:17 am (UTC)The first tests of their new "vaccine" started the same week the first covid case in the US was announced.
We are apparently expected to believe that the Moderna folks slapped it together over the weekend. It seems reasonable to assume, though, that they had in fact been working on it for months, if not years, before any of us ever heard of "covid." This much was obvious back in 2020.
Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2024-02-27 11:05 pm (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
May Trubujah/David's shingles outbreak on his stomach be healed; may his discomfort and pain be eased, and the illness clear up quickly.
May new mother Molly recover quickly and completely from her recent stroke, and may newborn Lela and husband Austin be comforted and strengthened through this difficult time.
May John Michael Greer's wife Sara Greer, who passed away on February 20th, be blessed and soothed as she moves into the next stage of her spirit's journey. And may John Michael Greer be blessed and lent strength in this most difficult time.
May Timmy W. have the guidance, support, and strength he needs to overcome his PTSD, and may his mother, Rachel M., have the energy and wisdom to support him through it.
May Erika's partner James remain cancer free, and make a full return to robust health.
Tyler A's wife Monika's pregnancy is high risk; may Mother and child be blessed with good health and a smooth delivery.
May the surgery for Yuccaglauca's mother Monica's malignant mass be safe, successful, and conclusive of the matter.
May Frank Rudolf Hartman of Altadena California (picture), who is receiving chemotherapy, be completely cured of the lymphoma that is afflicting him, and may he return to full health.
May Just Another Green Rage Monster's father, who is dealing with Stage 4 Lymphoma, and mother, who is primary caregiver, be blessed, protected and healed.
May Kyle's friend Amanda, who though in her early thirties is undergoing various difficult treatments for brain cancer, make a full recovery; and may her body and spirit heal with grace.
Lp9's hometown, East Palestine, Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people, animals and all living beings in and around East Palestine, and to improve the natural environment there to the benefit of all.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
Re: Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2024-02-28 03:21 pm (UTC)X
Erika
Re: Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2024-02-29 05:19 am (UTC)Re: Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2024-02-28 03:51 pm (UTC)For Terry, a 27 year old who is so grateful that her breast cancer diagnosis and treatment has enabled her to live closer to her mother
For Bonnie, a musician, who dearly wants to play piano for for all who capture her spirit before she dies.
For Sara, who is gone but never forgotten
For Dave Mallett, one of the greatest musicians of our generation
For Asiya, bringing Tony Cicoria’s music to life
For Kimberly, a most beautiful soul, a leader among souls - please don’t let her die before her lessons are absorbed.
For Dwight, a hard working man who remains loyal to the end
For Deb, Michelle, David, Mark, Ann, Alison, Ken and Eric. May gods love restore them and their loved ones to health.
Re: Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2024-02-29 05:18 am (UTC)prayer list rules, and received consent to be prayed for from each of the people named on the list?
Also, is ”Sara" JMG's Sara (in which case she is already on the list) or a different Sara?
Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-27 11:09 pm (UTC)What caused this? An idea I've been toying with is that many of the nonconformists enjoyed thumbing their noses at power but they never had it in them to truly question the integrity of the people running the show. Authority figures could be short-sighted and foolish and there were some genuinely bad apples among them but it couldn't be that the entire system was hostile to its subjects. To take an anti-authoritarian stance during Covid meant facing up to the idea that the leaders of many countries didn't desire only obedience, but suffering and even the deaths of their people. Like Cypher in The Matrix they began to realize the true nature of their world and decided "ignorance is bliss."
One thing I noticed was that some of the lowest levels of "defection" occurred among people who already believed in a fundamentally corrupt and hostile power structure. Not merely a health food hippie or Bernie Sanders voter, but someone like a survivalist in a cabin believing the United States ceased to be independent with the formation of the Federal Reserve. I can't think of anyone I know of in these ideological categories who crossed over to become a system supporter. The pandemic reassured them that every detail of their worldviews was true.
As for the "normies" who went the other way, I get the sense that many of them had gone through their lives with perspectives that they never bothered to examine in detail. When you just coast and think what the TV tells you to think you don't have to put much work into it. Then the madness of the lockdowns and vaccines tore at the edges of their reality, they pulled the loose threads and the whole thing came unraveled in a heap. There's nothing like a fox injury to erode your faith in the government.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 01:22 am (UTC)Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 02:21 pm (UTC)Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 02:14 am (UTC)We knew that the medical industry was corrupted by money, but still thought there were enough checks and balances and market corrections and basic venal need to not to destroy their own customer base to keep the worst insanity in check - until Cootie Mania showed us just how rotten and zombie-like and even ultimately self-defeating the whole thing was. We didn't trust our politicians, but thought that their need to get re-elected placed at least some restraint on just how crazy they could behave - right up until they (almost) all went cootie-bonkers. I admit I also thought the business community was stronger than it was, and that various industry coalitions - especially but not exclusively the various retail shopping, hotel, travel, and restaurant industry associations - would surely push back on restrictions more than they did, but they appeared to be awol. Ditto the labor unions; I knew the leadership was corrupt, but thought that the rank and file of at least some of the unions would get restless about the loss of their livelihoods - but if they did, I didn't hear about it (or maybe they were bought off by government payments to stay home?). I knew academia was corrupt, but thought there would still be SOME experts willing to questions authority (there were a minuscule number, but seems like they pretty much all got fired). I knew mainstream journalism was bought-and-paid for, but thought SOME of the "alternative" outfits would decide to make a name for themselves by questioning the narrative for clicks and profit, but no, they went whole-hog for the narrative. Etc.
Maybe I'm not explaining this well, but I think there is a category of "I knew it was corrupt but had not idea just how bad it had gotten until Cooties-19 happened". I didn't expect heroes, but thought that there was a good deal more common-sense market-driven self-interest than there was, if that makes sense?
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 04:48 am (UTC)I had been rendered skeptical of government, mass media, and big corporations by the financial crash of 2008, and (thank you Almighty /|\) was getting my news from alternative sources by 2020, but I was still gobsmacked by which people, and the sheer number of people, who went full metal lemming.
My friend up in the PNW, who had always seemed skeptical of any establishment power centers, told me the phrase "big pharma" in an argument meant the argument was "batshit". All the "nicest countries"-- Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, on and on and on-- went totally totalitarian.
All I can think of was that some malign magic was propagated through the mass media, and since I don't watch TV, don't do Faceplant, and am not a Twit, I avoided most of that barrage. But it really does seem like Someone was watching out for me too.
Now I'm really not sure who I'll ever be able to trust again. (Sigh)
- Cicada Grove
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 10:49 am (UTC)Yes, maybe some people averted their eyes to the obvious ... quite a few still do, as a means of coping. A quaint example would be Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame), who is obviously vex-injured, and just did a 2nd mea culpa on twitter. His first was over a year ago, was only half-sincere and mockingly said the anti-vexxers chose to jab out of stubborness/plain luck. In his 2nd attempt, he still frames it as anti-vexxers winning and the jabberwockies losing, as he is now wondering what he will be like in 5 year, if he's even still alive then. The comments are generally telling him - we never looked at it as winning or losing... (that is just so crass and simplistic).. we were the ones who actually looked at the studies (or lack of), smelt the rat from the getgo... and tried our best to warn friends and family, often to no avail. Our hearts were broken many times.. and our faith in fellow men shaken. I honestly expect a 3rd mea culpa from him, when he finally figures out that the system was really out to get him, and it wasn't a conspiracy theory.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 05:57 pm (UTC)With his reality-as-computer-simulation model I don't think he had a strong concept of a real physical reality out there that is going to follow certain laws regardless of how you think about it.
Also, with his being a self-proclaimed master hypnotist and persuader - that plus a lot of weed - I think he was convinced he could see through other's persuasion attempts, and he was too smart to be taken in. Thinking you're too smart to be affected by persuasion spells makes you dead meat for them.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 03:22 pm (UTC)Big Ls to accept.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 12:34 pm (UTC)https://barsoom.substack.com/p/why-smart-people-do-stupid-things
(Mostly, it explores the bell curve of intelligence mapped over vaxx uptake, where dolts and geniuses both tended to reject the jabs.)
As for myself, I credit my immense stubbornness more than any great intellect. And I'm a farmer, so I know what BS smells like.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 04:54 am (UTC)As far as the content of his essay, I am PMC but I just got incredibly, incredibly lucky. No mandates at work and no questions either; I just quietly laid low.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 07:49 am (UTC)I'm just a stubborn idiot, nothing smart about it.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 03:19 pm (UTC)But except for the V and masks I was really sucked into this in the early stages.
I didn't even have a job to go to and I was inhaling eucalptus oil in steam to keep da' covid outta my body.
I took a delivered dinner from one of my kids at a distance.
It p____es me off how stupid I was.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-28 02:49 pm (UTC)because being 'nonconformist' was the In Thing - everyone was a 'nonconformist.' You might have seen the memes of a sea of uniform heads with CNN, NPR, MSN and so on printed on their foreheads, with a big cartoon voice balloon saying "we're the Resistance".
Being nonconformist was In - but you needed to Nonconform in the same direction as everyone else. Speaking Truth to Power was in, provided you used the correct words and aimed them at the approved targets.
I mention that because there is a category of people, that includes me, who came through the Covid propaganda carpet-bombing without buying it. For me, covid was part of a multi-year wake-up call process that started in 2016 after a certain election. I won't go into the areas of my red-pilling since they are outside the scope of this forum, but you can use your imagination.
By the time covid hit I had already been insulted, banned, ostracized, and twitter-and-facebook-cancel-mobbed. My main social and professional networks collapsed. Fortunately I figured out pretty early that bending the knee and apologizing was worse than useless.
Then along came covid, which was the final monstrous red pill I almost choked on. If I hadn't been prepared by my experiences from 2016 on I could very easily have been one of those who bought the new propaganda campaign wholesale. Even with that previous experience those first couple of years of covid were brutally hard mentally and spiritually, and I had stretches where I felt I was losing my mind and/or was under demonic attack.
The pressure started clearing late last summer, and I think I've come through, bruised but intact.
I'm betting I'm not the only person who went through a multi-year process like this, and that is why I bring it up here.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 09:32 pm (UTC)I knew people who decades ago would tell you all about the corruption of the medical industry, how the public commons had been demolished in favor of vulgar consumerism, how bottled water was the biggest scam ever, and looked at any "respectable" institution with a jaundiced eye who transformed into Covidian cultists overnight. A lot of them weren't on the Trump derangement train either. They weathered a wide range of other absurdities but the pandemic broke them.
One reason could be the forced isolation, the lockdowns really did a number on people. Without their regular social circle to connect with I can see how some would become really unmoored and be desperate for a return to normal. The media did a great job convincing their audience that "those people" are the reason you can't go back outside yet.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-03-01 01:10 am (UTC)I noticed the same thing.
One possibility I've been pondering is that germaphobia, in the loosest sense of the word, is more prevalent and powerful than I realized. It's like there was just something about the threat of disease, of infection and sickness, that was able to shut down their critical thinking skills in a way that other threats didn't.
I remember talking to a member of the PMC who was on the left (had been a big Sanders supporter) and who didn't succumb to TDS (in fact, I think he rather prided himself on "understanding" that Trump support was due largely to economic factors and made logical sense), but who was convinced that Cooties-19 was a big threat. I remember saying "just look at the CDC's own data!" and pointing out that the infection fatality rate for someone our age was very low, only 1 in X number. He basically said that the number I was using meant that he had a 1 in X chance of dying, which was actually high, and I was like, one, that's not that high, you're statistically more likely to die in a car crash or drown, and two, that number includes people your age who are sick with other things, people with cancer, auto-immune conditions, obesity, diabetes, people who are malnourished, people with mental health and substance abuse problems - those are the "1 in X number" who might wind up dying of a respiratory virus. You have literally none of those things, what on EARTH are you worried about? But that's the thing - he was scared. For some reason, fear of infection shut down critical-thinking and threat-assessment skills in a way other things didn't. We looked at the same CDC numbers (we're in the same age group), and I was like "whew, that's nothing; even if you didn't know the numbers were inflated and took them at face value, statistically this disease is only picking off the very oldest and sickest, I'm more likely to die in a car crash, there's nothing to fear from this virus!" while he looked at the numbers and went "OMG, I have a 1 in X chance of dying!!" and was frightened by it.
He wasn't the only one like that, either. It's really strange.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-03-04 04:25 am (UTC)Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-02-29 12:00 am (UTC)Their worldview was likely predicated on being anti-Establishment: "I identify as a Rebel and as part of the Resistance." The thing is, to be anti-something, the thing you are "anti-" has to exist; if the Establishment actually falls, you might feel briefly vindicated but ultimately a core part of your worldview has been shattered. What now? Essentially, their anti-Establishment stance is akin to what JMG often says about Satanism with respect to Christianity. They were really pro-Establishment, just with a minus sign attached. Loyal opposition.
More to the point, they were likely also believers in Progress, even if they didn't explicitly state it. The Establishment belongs to the wicked Past; by (playacting at) fighting it, we are doing our part to press forward into a glorious, better Future. COVID, in this paradigm, doesn't belong. Large-scale epidemics are a thing of the Past, something that should, if it must happen at all, happen only in "undeveloped" countries "over there" - certainly not "here". COVID, in this paradigm, isn't merely a disease; it's a blasphemy against which holy war must be raged. Big Pharma, while historically an anemy, is an ally in this cause. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
As for the reverse - the "normal" ones who dropped out of the mainstream - likely these had been the Progress equivalent of "Christmas and Easter" Christians - nominal believers thrust by the psychic tumult of the pandemic in a crisis of faith and who ended up turning away from it.
Then you have the more apathetic contingent who only got the shots because they "had to" (and who didn't bother with the boosters unless for whatever reason they also had to); this is equivalent to those who are raised Christian and who profess the religion more out of a fear of Hell (in the religion of Progress, this equates to being canceled) than any actual belief in Christ's teachings.
Re: Defecting Nonconformists
Date: 2024-03-02 03:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 12:12 am (UTC)https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/27/mhra-covid-vaccine-side-effects-mps-all-party-parliamentary/
Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 12:24 am (UTC)It started 2 years ago with a chronic headache that was odd but I ignored it. Months later I lost my peripheral vision. I couldn’t see anything except what I was looking at. But I felt worst in busy places, mostly grocery stores. Because then I also felt dizzy and a strange dissociated feeling that made me feel like I wasn’t there. I also had a lump/ache in my throat and random unexplained bruising that looked severe, like I had a major accident.
Upon work up for my vision they found thryroid antibodies and reactivated Epstein Barr but no cause for the vision problems.
So without an explanation I focused on improving diet, adding vitamins and spike detox supplements, daily forest walks and thr healing meditation from the Modern order of Essenes. And very slowly I noticed improvement.
I am a sensitive person and I am now wondering if our immune systems pick up information about our community around us and sense when our communal immune systems are under threat, like a sensitive radar for when there is a significant danger to our bodies and some people are more affected by it more than others.
It was perhaps not that there was something wrong with my eyesight, but something right with it. It was my intuition telling me not to go in the busy spaces.
Now I’m generally better. But I will feel a slight headache or other symptom somewhere and remove myself and it resolves fairly quickly. Maybe either our immune systems in general are doing better or something I’m doing is helping me. I can imagine that the meditation with the sphere of protection component is helpful.
Tamar
Re: Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 01:40 am (UTC)--Lunar Apprentice
Re: Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 02:59 am (UTC)Re: Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 05:50 pm (UTC)--Lunar Apprentice
Re: Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 02:40 pm (UTC)Unjabbed here, surrounded by multiply-jabbed, and I also had some strange symptoms around the time of the jabs roll out. Never had knee trouble ever in my long life and suddenly, right after the jabs started, both my knees were all of a sudden too painful to fully bend. Since resolved. On a daily basis now I take natto and dandelion and other teas, lots of keffir (probiotic), and walks in nature.
Your post reminds me to go more often into the forest. Thankyou for that.
Re: Shedding/vision
Date: 2024-02-28 04:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2024-02-28 01:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2024-02-28 04:40 pm (UTC)Apparently 'green' sheaths or wire-coverings made of corn-fibre attract mice and rats. The rodents chew through the 'corn-fiber'
and damage the electrical components.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 04:41 pm (UTC)(and so do viruses).
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 06:40 pm (UTC)Sitting at a restaurant table protects against cooties so long as you put on your mask before you stand up.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 08:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 07:08 pm (UTC)Anyhoo, said loonies showed up in masks - the hardcore pointy kind, I think they're called N95 or something? - and I remember wondering how the frack this was going to work....
The answer is, you wear your mask at all times, except to take a sip or pop food in while holding your breath. Yes, really. I watched them do it. They would fork up a bite with one hand, lift the edge of the mask with the other, pop the bite in while obviously not breathing, pull the mask back down, chew, swallow, and repeat. Drinks were consumed through straws slid up under the masks. Oh, and when they had to go inside to the bathrooms, they put second, surgical masks over the first ones, and then, when they came back from the restroom, threw away the surgical masks and changed into new pointy ones (presumably while holding their breath).
So, that's how you do it when the world is your open-air asylum. Now you know!
Also, apparently this foray to a funeral was a big sacrifice on their part. They came to the graveside part (because it was outside), and then to the repast, because the hosts put it outside to accommodate people with mental illness. Their plans also included, I kid you not, self-isolating from the rest of their household for a few days after their return. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that meant wearing masks in the house and minimizing contact until they were sure they hadn't "caught" anything.
In case you're wondering, no, this was not November 2020. Or November 2021, or 2022. This was November 2023. They've been living this way for years, and will probably never stop. The argument for this is that some of the family members are "immune compromised." There you have it.
Yes, it's easy to make fun of people like this, and I just did. But....it's also really sad at the same time.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 10:02 pm (UTC)At the end of another meeting I mentioned casually that if you could smell smoke while wearing a mask, it was a clear sign that the mask wouldn't block aerosolized virus. Everyone could smell smoke from somewhere outside, of course.
I had wanted to exhale clouds of cigar smoke through the sides of my tightly fitted N95 mask as an unforgettable visual demonstration, but that never happened. I just politely left the group.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 10:43 pm (UTC)Maybe I left too early, but boy am I ever so glad I left.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-29 04:29 am (UTC)And yes, there was a certain element of morbid curiosity to observing them. This is what the propaganda did to some people.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 09:05 pm (UTC)Stronger than Death
Date: 2024-02-28 03:06 am (UTC)Seems crazy, it’s gone on this long with no end in sight. It’s off normie radar but I feel its pulse, like a giant serpent moving underground. Madness all around but it’s love and what it really means that keeps me going.
What does it really mean?
My brother died at 55, a year and a half ago. His final words were about how much he loved his family, an adopted family from his second marriage. It drove my mother nuts and in many ways she blamed this second marriage for his early demise. I wouldn’t judge. All I could do was deal with the shock. When they came to me, I really looked at those last photos of him and I saw it. He was happy, he was in love.
I was thinking about all this while listening to a beloved song, a song that I listened to a thousand times when I was young, long before I knew much about love. There’s a phrase at the song’s end that I only picked up on in recent years; Stronger than Death. It’s the kind of thing only a 52 year old man can pick up on, I suppose.
Those years made me want to comment on Stop the world! I want to get off but I never got around to it. What could I say, random thoughts about the 1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie and the very disturbing ending came to mind. Yeah, we’re living it… but like many of the good comments on that thread, my conclusion is that it’s only love and what it really means to you that will get you through but it’s not easy… Lord knows I’m struggling. Just because I know doesn’t mean I do.
I kept this handy during the time shortly after my brother’s death. I can’t remember if I came across it here or on the other blog but either way, it makes good sense. It gets me through the days.
What, then, is your own? Only your reaction to the appearances of things.
Don't demand that things happen as you wish, but wish that they happen as they do happen, and you will go on well.
Never say of anything, "I have lost it"; but, "I have returned it." Is your child dead? It is returned. Is your wife dead? She is returned. Is your estate taken away? Well, and is not that likewise returned? "But he who took it away is a bad man." What difference is it to you who the giver assigns to take it back? While he gives it to you to possess, take care of it; but don't view it as your own, just as travelers view a hotel.
Covid Erotica
Date: 2024-02-28 03:54 am (UTC)"In a world where Coronavirus and Monkeypox risk combining into a super-virus, Dr Jasmine Minjaz has to put her sex life on hold to prevent a global catastrophe..."
Edwards' book series, 'Kissing the Coronavirus,' seems to be available only on Amazon.
Re: Covid Erotica
Date: 2024-02-28 04:37 pm (UTC):-)
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Date: 2024-02-28 04:08 am (UTC)Pretty strange week. Old Rothschild slithers off into the next world. U.S. Airman sets himself on fire over Gaza. Trudeau seems to believe he will control the internet 'truths.' Annnndddddd....it's Tuesday.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 05:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 07:14 pm (UTC)Well, not precisely. Nothing major happened on 2/24 in particular. But the days following seem to be a bit crazier than usual, don't they?
Guess we'll see where things go from here....
How could it happen
Date: 2024-02-28 11:41 am (UTC)I recently read a great piece from Aya Velazques that gives a great view behind the scenes in Germany. From the introduction:"on June 16, 2023, the physician Christian Haffner achieved a sensation: after a year-long legal battle with the German Federal Chancellery, he successfully obtained the protocols of the so-called “Corona Expert Council” on the basis of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The panel had met from December 2021 to April 2023 under the condition of utmost confidentiality." The Corona Expert Council was the main advisor of the government regarding the Corona response.
I haven't seen this article discussed here before, so I like to share it now.
The whole piece is worth reading, but what strikes me most is the ruthless attitude of the scientific council. For example, even when they knew that jabbing young people will risk them getting myocarditis and that Omicron hardly posed a thread, they still advocated the jab. They also advocated for mandatory vaccination, even when Omicron had replaced Delta. They also complained that the politicians didn't always do as they said.
Another striking point is that the representatives of the government didn't adress the obvious contradictions in the councils policy advice. Scholz even went so far that in April 2022 he still tried to push mandatory vaccination through parliament even if there was no reason whatsoever to do so (we already had Omicron back then) and it was very unpopular among the population.
Also fascinating is the photo-collage in the beginning of the article. I spend quite some time looking at the faces of the people who bear the main responsability for the German policies regarding the Coof.
https://www.velazquez.press/p/new-foia-in-germany-the-secret-files
Re: How could it happen
Date: 2024-02-28 04:35 pm (UTC)Re: How could it happen
Date: 2024-02-28 07:21 pm (UTC):-)
Re: How could it happen
Date: 2024-02-28 09:09 pm (UTC)For, a Reign of Terror rains harsh on my parade!
Rein in our horses and forces: be not afraid.
Seek not reprisals nor judge who lives or dies
Let scales of justice drop scales from off their eyes
Re: How could it happen
Date: 2024-02-28 09:02 pm (UTC)Wins of Last Week
Date: 2024-02-28 12:42 pm (UTC)Canada
1 - A class-action lawsuit was filed in Federal Court against the Attorney General of Canada. It claims that “the attorney general is liable for the acts and omissions of its ‘servants/agents’ which were responsible for the contracting, development and implementation of ArriveCAN.” (ArriveCAN was the app that was practically forced on Canadians wishing to travel by air during the “Cooties Era”. It is also plagued with scandal due to the fact that more than $50M was dished out for an app that should have cost $80k or less)
2 - Vaccine Choice Canada has just launched a new e-book entitled: A New Parents Guide to Understanding Vaccination. It is designed to assist young parents to understand the safety, efficacy and risk of all childhood vaccines and to make an informed decision. The e-book can be purchased at their online store.
3 - Though I put practically no faith in party politics as an effective method of getting us out of our current “pickle” it is good to see that we have a new Federal party in Canada – the United Party of Canada, which is founded by Grant Abraham, author of the book – The Battle for the Soul of Canada. The United Party of Canada’s mission is to return Canada to its lost moorings of Peace, Order, and Good Government as founded upon the Supremacy of God and the Rule of Law as set out in the Bill of Rights and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (On the other hand, the Revolutionary Communist Party was launched in Montreal on the weekend of February 17-18. Some disastrous dreams die hard, apparently.)
USA
1 - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis recently convened a panel of medical experts this month to dissect the failings of the medical establishment, this time in response to a Florida grand jury’s first batch of findings on the federal ‘Cooties-19’ response. I believe this is the third such panel convened by DeSantis.
2 - Directors from the FDA, CDC, and HRSA were called to testify before a congressional panel on the rushed approval process for the ‘Cooties-19 foxes’. Congressmen succeeded in forcing public health officials to admit that “safe and effective” doesn't mean “completely safe and effective”. The director of the FDA was also compelled to admit that he rushed the approval process, and that he removed those who attempted to keep to a more traditional timetable.
3 – On February 21, a federal judge handed Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Children’s Health Defense a partial win in their landmark censorship case alleging the Biden administration colluded with social media platforms to unlawfully censor online content. Judge Terry A. Doughty of the U.S. District Court issued a preliminary injunction prohibiting key Biden administration officials and agencies from coercing or significantly encouraging social media platforms to suppress or censor online content.
International
1 - The Court of Appeal in New Zealand has ruled that the NZ Defence Force ‘fox’ mandate was unlawful. The Court of Appeal held that the mandate limited the right to refuse medical treatment and to manifest religious belief. The Court of Appeal decided that the Chief of Defence Force was not justified in limiting these rights by imposing a ‘fox’ mandate in the way that he did.
2 - A tribunal judge in the UK has ruled that belief in a homeopathic lifestyle and bodily autonomy is a “protected characteristic” under the Equality Act in an unfair dismissal case for a former ambulance operations manager who lost his job for declining the ‘Cooties-19 fox’. Paul Bailey worked for the National Health Service for five years before his dismissal in December 2021 after he chose not to have the foxes. Both the union and Mr. Bailey’s lawyer expect the case to win following the ruling in which it emerged that it was never written into law that any workers had to take the ‘foxes’ in order to keep their jobs – in other words, all such dismissals could be considered unlawful.
Honk, honk! Nil desperandum!
Ron M
Re: Wins of Last Week
Date: 2024-02-28 04:34 pm (UTC)I'm sure the 'Revolutionary Communist Party of Canada' will be in line for some journalistic 'kid gloves.' Maybe even a 'nostalgia-tinged' yearning in a CBC profile.
Re: Wins of Last Week
Date: 2024-02-28 09:46 pm (UTC)Thanks for the update Ron. I think you may be thinking of Senator Ron Johnson here. See the timelime on this page:
https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/covid
Martin F
Re: Wins of Last Week
Date: 2024-02-29 12:43 pm (UTC)No, I am not confusing the two. I do not follow the activities of DeSantis per se, but according to Life Site News, DeSantis's latest panel is at least the second such: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/desantis-experts-flordia-grand-jury-covid. Unfortunately, like most published news these days -- regardless whether it is MSM or alternative -- there is a lack of clarity and context.
Ron M
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Date: 2024-02-28 02:53 pm (UTC)Dear JMG, dear forumistas, thank you.
This finds me still wending my way through what I am increasingly recognizing is an entirely changed world, changed in the strangest ways. Week by week, nuance by nuance.
One thing that stands out for me at the moment is the immense power of words, and that, in a very real sense, we are in a war of words. And this means that we are in war of the mind, of imagination. Also: that compassion is in part a function of the imagination. Where compassion is lacking, so too is imagination. Where great compassion is found, there may be great powers of imagination— great powers of heart— or craven foolishness. It depends.
Cetiosaurus
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Date: 2024-02-28 07:20 pm (UTC)Emily Dickinson said Genius is the 'ignition of affection.' I think that is correct. I take 'affection' to mean compassion in some sense.
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Date: 2024-02-28 04:09 pm (UTC)Rintrah also cites conclusions of some published research where scientists are openly suggesting that the C19 vex's be halted over these very issues, e.g. "Knowing that the mRNA vaccines do not prevent infections, ... IgG4 levels have been associated with immunotolerance and numerous negative effects, the recommendations for the successive administration of booster vaccinations to people should be revised" from https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/16/2/187
Rintrah's post is here:
https://www.rintrah.nl/sars2-vaccination-is-encouraging-steadily-more-virulent-new-omicron-variants-to-evolve/
I recall that JMG has voiced worries that the vex's might lead to a substantial elevation in the death rate sufficient to cause a discernable population decline or worse. Rintrah's post is in line with this, and may point to a very slow, but very large train-wreck now underway.
I haven't noticed Mark L (or his more recent handle) in a while. I recall his thinking Rintrah is over-interpreting the data. I'd love to see his take on this.
--Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2024-03-03 01:00 am (UTC)Mark is posting his thoughts on reconnecting with 'nature', rebalancing etc. here: https://dendroica.substack.com
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-03 05:00 am (UTC)"... Rintrah is another example... very smart guy, came close to seeing the spiritual angle at one point, got scared and backed away with haste and his analysis since then is very much just cherry-picking data/studies to support his view that we'll end up with a coof variant that will be lethal/deadly. Lunar Apprentice here was asking if Rintrah's concerns were valid... I'd say he's (Rintrah) missing the forest for the trees - again and again.
Go back to basic principles - the shots can go pretty much anywhere in the body. Some locations will result in much faster demise than other places, but at a minimum, you systemaatically damage the immune system. Again, it doesn't have to be a death sentence - a lot of the subsequent immune deficiencies can be addressed, but how many are actually doing that, rather than treating the more obvious symptoms that present itself? We now have sky high rates of TB, dengue etc in the tropical areas... RSV and flu requiring hospitalization in the temperate areas.... birth rates for 2023 have plunged to record lows across all the clot-shotted countries... excess deaths keep climbing.... Sepsis is now common across all those countries etc. MSM pieces in those countries now finally admitting that emergency rooms/wards are full beyond full...
We don't need a lethal new variant of the coof. The consequences of the jab are still percolating exponentially out from people's last shots."
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-03 03:41 pm (UTC)Don't forget that there is really no way that everyone got the same stuff injected.
Not only was there more than one type of jab, but there had to have been variations in manufacturing practices in every location, as well as quality-control issues with manufacture, shipping, and storage. There was a lot of money at stake, it was rushed, and there is no way there was much in the way of oversight.
Some people may have gotten full-strength, manufactured-to-spec, properly-stored product injected into them...but a lot of others surely got some variety of improperly-made, improperly-shipped, improperly-stored, diluted and/or degraded who-knows-what injection soup.
We can't know what was really going into all those arms, especially in the early, mass-jab-in-parking-lots phase. So the resulting damage (or lack thereof) to health and immune systems is going to vary greatly in relation to a factor we can't really track - beyond possibly identifying some "hot lots".
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-03 06:55 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-04 12:46 am (UTC)Still, I expect that some variations in what we're seeing - some people obviously jab-injured, some people who seem absolutely fine, and some in between - is due at least in part to variations in what actually got injected.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-04 12:59 am (UTC)Now 40% may seem like a high figure.... but after 2 shots, the odds are that it's only 16% that didn't get the intended package. That means after 2 shots, there's a 84% chance that a person had at least 1 real shot.
Those odds only applied through the first 4 to 6 months of the rollout, say latest Jun'21. After that I'm assuming it's much closer to 100% 'real' shots. We also had regional 'variations'.. The Japanese regulators were more diligent in checking for contamination, with MSM stories that they rejected certain lots as they had obvious metallic fragments contamination. The irony is that those were probably the 'garbage' shots, which would have done less harm over time, so the implication is that the Japanese ended up having a much higher incidence of the 'real' shots.
When I think back to how the sequence of how some events unfolded here in Singapore... the local MSM floated the idea of injecting kids, and some parents raised objections and concerns. A group of 12 doctors wrote a public letter going through the data showing the risk/benefits for injecting teenagers were too heavy on the risks, yet the data was not debated as the doctors were instantly villified by the press (same old same old around the world). Enough threats behind the scenes and 10 of the doctors quickly retracted their letters. The Ministry of Health made soothing noises that they would run clinical trials before injecting kids... yet within 1 week of starting the trials, it became mandatory policy to jab the kids. What, the clinical trial had data after 1 week, when there was barely any coof cases in Singapore? Lies lies piled upon lies. We now know that even in the Pfizer initial trials, there was more obvious mortality and other serious medical issues in the clnical group vs placebo, huge huge red flags that were ignored or covered up. It then becomes obvious that orders were passed down - just get the jabs into everyone's arms ASAP.
A lot of people naturally want to continue living their lives as before, pre-coof. The aggregate health data that's coming in says otherwise.... the economic data will eventually follow the health data, no matter how much manipulation or massaging they do. I see no point in pretending that things are 'ok' unless the obvious is patently in-your-face. From the tone of the comments in the past few weeks posts, there is a lot of grieving going on.... that's how I interpret the 'mental trauma' that many folks are going through. Yet that is part of the grieving/healing process, however painful..... next comes acceptance.
Even amongst my freedom group, where I would first share my anti-shedding or other treatment protocols after I've done enough testing, I'd say only half would pay attention even though pretty much all the predictions I've made over the past couple years have come true. I don't even get frustrated... as the issues I talked about finally hit someone in their family or themselves a few months later and they're scrambling around to acquire the suggested detox ingredients. You can bring a horse to water, and all that...
Recently I saw a video where Jimmy Dore was interviewing Dr Pierre Kory. Jimmy mentioned that he has had 2 shots, which obvious heart injury which was being treated... and should he worry about more serious stuff happening. Dr Kory had a slight hesitation, and then robustly replied, no, this far out from his last shot, he should be fine. I know doctors want to give hope but that came across as false assurance to me. I saw this video recent by Dr Phillip McMillan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv1k1HX64eI
Quick summary: He had a whistleblower from an angio cath lab, very senior technician who's called upon to assist doctors in the operating room, and they're pulling out the huge white fibrous clots out of living patients now. After the initial rollouts, it was about once or twice a month. Now 2+ years later, it could be 3 or 4 a week, and some of the folks only had 1 jab a long while ago. He has access to all their medical jab history, including when and which shots they got. All were jabbed, some had up to 8!! shots. I can make a guess that the ones who had 8 shots were lucky to get 2 'placebos' initially.. and then started to roll the dice. The video was initially shadow-banned by the main platforms, so he uploaded more copies onto different platforms and hopefully this stays up for a while longer.
Based on my intuition and what has happened to someone else in my freedom group and myself (slow but noticeable climb in blood pressure 2 weeks ago, still in a healthy range, just not as good as before), the shedding is causing all kinds of clots to form. So once a month, we should do a high dose natto/serra for a few days to clear up any accumulation. For example, my BP had gone up to 132/85, did high dose n/s and my BP read 140/85 the next day. That's an indication that something had been dissolved in my bloodstream, but the wasteproducts had not yet been cleared by the liver and kidneys, so it reads higher the next day before going lower the day after. I don't 'feel' bad during this detox phase, unlike a year ago when I first used this protocol. I just checked, my BP is now 127/84, and surprisingly my resting heart rate is 2 beats lower than before, with no change in exercise or sleep pattern.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-05 12:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-05 05:00 pm (UTC)I was a bit disappointed that they didn't ask more questions about the developments in the frequency and patients with the white clots. They also didn't seem to be aware of the findings of the late prof. Burkhardt. Prof. Burkhardt found that the white clots consist mainly of proteins that enter the bloodstream after the destruction of endotheel cells. We know that spike protein destroys endotheel, so spike could be to blame for the white clots.
It was interesting that dr Chetty asked if everybody had the full white clots, or some hybrid with the usual substance and the white stuff. The latter is the case. That is consistent with prof Burkhardts findings.
The following is speculative, but I think we can connect some dots here. As the white clots do not dissolve in the body, there will only be additions to the existing clots whenever new spike gets into the body (That is, unless some people have permanent spike production in their body due to IgG4 or resevoirs in places where the immune system has little acces or due to a change in DNA). Spike gets in the body both when someone takes their x-th booster and when one gets their x-th Covid infection, even if it seems like a mild one. This could explain why sudden deaths and heart arrythmias keep being a a high level: some people are still boosting and new variants are creating Covid-waves in rapid succession.
Your succes with natto and serra is interesting. I know these enzymes can dissolve spike, but I wonder if they can also dissolve the white clots?
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-03 11:42 am (UTC)https://www.rintrah.nl/a-simple-explanation-how-serotype-evolution-suggests-covid-vaccination-was-a-big-mistake/
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Date: 2024-03-03 10:14 pm (UTC)1. In my assessment, the longer a particular phenomenon has been in existence without leading to disaster, the lower the probability of disaster. There are exceptions to this rule, but having made it four years into covid and three years into the vax rollout without mass death, some of the pathways leading that direction have been ruled out and so the overall likelihood is lower even if it will always remain nonzero. Whatever trajectory viral evolution takes from here, it will be impossible to pinpoint vaccination as the cause.
2. It is possible to craft perfectly plausible doom scenarios based on fairly solid science in any number of areas: anthropogenic climate change, geopolitics of nuclear weapons, superbugs, chemical exposure, topsoil loss, etc. When scientists like Rintrah and Geert Vanden Bossche continuously adapt their doom scenarios over time but maintain their conviction that Bad Things Are Starting To Happen Right Now, I start to pay less attention.
3. Part of the reason I am paying less attention these days is that I have changed to some extent spiritually in the past year or so, with less of a personal need to understand everything and avert disaster and a greater level of trust in the mystery and the larger forces at work in the collective weaving of life and death and existence.
4. I do still keep an eye on overall disease trends (e.g https://syndromictrends.com/) and mortality trends, and have not noticed anything especially alarming although mortality does remain elevated. The latest variants are still scary until they're everywhere and then they're yesterday's news, but most folks vaxxed or not who catch covid recover and go back to their lives.
5. If we are observing an overall decline in health and life expectancy, the covid shots and SARS-CoV2 are not the only potential culprit. Others include persistently high 5G/other radiation exposure, the 70+ (and growing) vaccinations now on the routine childhood schedule, widespread use of glyphosate to dry down grains ahead of harvest (leading to high residue levels and potential gut microbiome disruption), exposure to PFAS and other chemicals and microplastics, and over-prescription of antidepressants and other psychotropic medications.
6. I fully expect that a day will come when the mRNA shots are the cigarettes or asbestos or thalidomide of the moment, with lawsuits and regrets and worries about past exposure. At the same time, just as many smokers live to be 100, so too do I expect that many vaxxed people will be fine even as others suffer short- and long-term effects.
Mark L
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Date: 2024-03-04 08:58 am (UTC)It's great to see you.
Making sense, as ever.
I'm not buying full on doom either but I do sense the vixenations have had impact.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-04 09:24 pm (UTC)I do agree with you on every point.
But, I'm also aware that there were two kinds of "experimentation" going on. One was pharmaceutical in nature and one was behavioural/psychological in nature. I do not think any of us have come through the second one completely unscathed, although I think those who are undergoing spiritual re-evaluations of their lives, like yourself, have a greater chance of escaping the worst aspects of it.
Be well, Mark, and stay free!
(no subject)
Date: 2024-03-05 05:14 pm (UTC)As for the vax and virus, my main concern is that there are certain very slow moving developments in place that will take a lot of lives in the coming years/decades (slow-growing clots that don't dissolve, immune system exhaustion due to rapid re-infection and secondary effects like vulnerability for other infections and cancer, etc).
I read on Dendroica about your newfound inner 'space' (if that is the right expression) and am very interested how it will unfold further. Your point 3 makes a lot of sense even if I have some trouble to really feel that greater trust in Life's mysterious ways.
A broader view
Date: 2024-02-28 04:21 pm (UTC)You know it’s getting closer to normie world when Dr. Phil starts dropping truth bombs…
Re: A broader view
Date: 2024-02-29 07:05 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-28 04:29 pm (UTC)https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/one-way-to-hide-what-vaccination?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-29 08:16 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-02-29 06:41 pm (UTC)Naw. If there's one thing these guys do well, it's maintaining kayfabe.
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Date: 2024-02-28 06:57 pm (UTC)And so I happened to come across this, which recommends that people with pulmonary fibrosis take nattokinase and serrapeptase.
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnow.org/learn/systemic-enzymes/
Interesting!
I am not a doctor, this is not medical advice, just sharing.
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Date: 2024-03-04 12:08 pm (UTC)Clinical Approach to Post-acute Sequelae After COVID-19 Infection and Vaccination
Nicolas Hulscher, Brian C Procter, Cade Wynn, Peter A McCullough
PMID: 38024037 PMCID: PMC10663976 DOI: 10.7759/cureus.49204
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38024037/
What jumped at me was that this is coauthored by Dr McCullough (I'm a fan) and mentions using nattokinase, bromelain, and curcumin for spike protein detox. It occurs to me those things can be added to a breakfast smoothie. (Bromelain is in pineapple).