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Schizophrenia and clairvoyance

Date: 2023-09-25 07:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have a question about my mother. When I was around four she developed schizophrenia, started hearing voices and developed a range of psychotic delusions. She was violent towards me and I never had a mother/daughter relationship with her but my brother stayed in touch visited her regularly. He would tell me about things she said, such as about her reports of telepathic contact with various people around the world, as well as non-humans. When she became elderly her health suddenly took a turn for the worse and she went into hospital. My brother visited her there and he told me that while he was sitting by her bed he was thinking to himself that the kindest thing that could happen would be if she died in her sleep. At that point, he said, she opened her eyes and said 'I'm not dying yet!'. He denied saying he wanted her to die and she said 'Yes you did, I just heard you'. I'm wondering what was going on. Could it be that she was clairvoyant and the voices in her head were those of people around her and drove her to insanity, or could it be that schizophrenia and clairvoyance can go together?

Re: Schizophrenia and clairvoyance

Date: 2023-09-25 06:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
If it's OK, I'd like to tack on a follow-up question here:

It seems to me that there's a lot of overlap between what's termed "clairvoyance" and the sorts of things that happen in some mental disorders-- schizophrenia in particular-- and that quite a lot of it could simply be grouped under "loose boundaries". Like, let's posit for a moment that this is simply a perceptual scale, where there's a "normal" range of perception where most everything is explicable in physical terms (light refracting off objects, vibrations of sound through the air to your ears) and if you perceive anything else you ignore it. And then there are incrementally larger ranges of perception (which I think are not all that uncommon) that extend to... various aspects of the not-so-physical world.

Are there any generally-accepted guidelines on the difference between people who are clairvoyant, who have a larger, looser set of perceptual boundaries and are able to manage those just fine, and people who are schizophrenic, who also have a larger, looser set of perceptual boundaries, but manage them very poorly?

Is it possible that the difference is simply... uh... (awkwardly musters words) the boundaries defining the self? Like, in a case where the boundaries of perception are broader than normal... is the difference between sane and not-sane, how solid your own perceptual boundaries are between "self" and "all the rest of that stuff"?

Re: Schizophrenia and clairvoyance

Date: 2023-09-25 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
(I did not post the original question)

Re: Schizophrenia and clairvoyance

Date: 2023-09-25 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you, that's given me a lot of think about. Possibly because of my own mind being so destabilised in early life, I've been aware of intrusions from those around me myself and it's taken a lot of work to deal with them and not go the way same way as my mother. What a strange world this is.

Re: Schizophrenia and clairvoyance

Date: 2023-09-25 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
All this reminds me of the Zen concept of "makyo." The Roshi was quite strict in admonishing people practicing Zazen not to get involved with the makyo; to just ignore it. Some practitioners who were professional musicians (for example) said they got CD quality audio makyos of classical music. Me, I'd just begin to see landscapes and figures in the bland fabric divider in front of my open eyes. Following the Roshi's advice I ignored them. Now that I am no longer practicing Zen, but am attempting scrying, I get absolutely nothing!
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