Thanks for the link, that is an interesting synchronicity! I read the study as that the incidence of myocarditis after vaccination is associated with free spike protein, unbound by antibodies.
"So, maybe the heart cells are producing spike and there is then an autoimmune attack mounted against them, or maybe it is a general cardiovascular inflammation from circulating spike?"
Considering the data, the second looks more likely to me. It seems that heart-troubles are still prevalent and the English data still show most of the excess mortality is due to cardiovascular and liver problems. Yet the vaccination campaign seems to be mostly over in the UK. That yields the same situation as the Netherlands where the vaccination campaign is almost over but the incidence of heartproblems stays very high. If it is an autoimmune attack that causes it, there must be very late diagnosis or a small scale auto-immune attack that continues for a long time. If it is a general inflammation from circulating spike the occurance of serious problems could happen after a longer time. That seems more likely, but I'm the first to admit that I lack the proper medical knowledge to know for sure. What do you think?
"I'm not sure if anyone has yet isolated spike protein directly from heart cells."
I don't know of any solid proof, but I think spike protein in the heart was proven to be likely in Michael Moerz publication of an autopsy of a vaxx victim (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651). Figure 13 of the study has the following text "Heart left ventricle. Positive reaction for SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Cross section through a capillary vessel" Of course n=1, and a capillary vessel is not an actual heart cell, but that is as close as I know of. A leaky capillary vessel could easily have spike enter a heartcell, or is this less likely than it sounds?
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Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 03:34 pm (UTC)"So, maybe the heart cells are producing spike and there is then an autoimmune attack mounted against them, or maybe it is a general cardiovascular inflammation from circulating spike?"
Considering the data, the second looks more likely to me. It seems that heart-troubles are still prevalent and the English data still show most of the excess mortality is due to cardiovascular and liver problems. Yet the vaccination campaign seems to be mostly over in the UK. That yields the same situation as the Netherlands where the vaccination campaign is almost over but the incidence of heartproblems stays very high. If it is an autoimmune attack that causes it, there must be very late diagnosis or a small scale auto-immune attack that continues for a long time. If it is a general inflammation from circulating spike the occurance of serious problems could happen after a longer time. That seems more likely, but I'm the first to admit that I lack the proper medical knowledge to know for sure. What do you think?
"I'm not sure if anyone has yet isolated spike protein directly from heart cells."
I don't know of any solid proof, but I think spike protein in the heart was proven to be likely in Michael Moerz publication of an autopsy of a vaxx victim (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651). Figure 13 of the study has the following text "Heart left ventricle. Positive reaction for SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Cross section through a capillary vessel" Of course n=1, and a capillary vessel is not an actual heart cell, but that is as close as I know of. A leaky capillary vessel could easily have spike enter a heartcell, or is this less likely than it sounds?