Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 71
Dec. 13th, 2022 01:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Another Omen
Date: 2022-12-18 11:39 pm (UTC)Earthquake rattles fracking region
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Date: 2022-12-18 11:59 pm (UTC)Re: Astral energy update
Date: 2022-12-19 12:15 am (UTC)I'm not calling anything over till the large lady sings, but I do feel somewhat of the spiritual calm after a hurricane.
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Date: 2022-12-19 01:04 am (UTC)Direct induction of a state change followed by a failure to reestablish the old equilibrium (e.g. killing off nearly all the fish of a particular species) is not a directly comparable situation. The epidemiological equivalent would be engineering a virus that directly killed 90% of the population.
Re: Predictions for 2023 and wider thoughts
Date: 2022-12-19 01:09 am (UTC)Mainstream media will be 'roiled' by Musk (no saviour to me but, like Trump pebbles in the gears) at Twitter.
Russia will roll up the Ukraine and put a serious dent in some neoliberal hopes and dreams. Possibly war crimes trials in absentia for well-known names.
I predict some weird (and strangely humorous) instances of karmic-hubris for the instigators of deceit.
Strangely unexplained impossibilities will prevent the implementation of many totalitarian hopes and dreams.
Beatlemania will not return.
Re: Steve Kirsch on a roll
Date: 2022-12-19 01:11 am (UTC)Re: Predictions for 2023 and wider thoughts
Date: 2022-12-19 01:17 am (UTC)"Will excess deaths - that seem correlated with the vaccines - continue or abate?"
Excess deaths will continue and quite possibly increase above 2022 levels. Some people will continue to blame it all on "long covid" and others will continue to blame it all on the vaccines. In reality, both will continue to contribute, while the toll of health system collapse (e.g. long waits for lifesaving treatments and shortages of essential medicines) will likely increase and may eclipse the first two factors. If we see a broader economic collapse/recession, various deaths of despair will increase as well.
"Is the Covid pandemic over as a official thing e.g. vaccine mandates, passports and masks."
Not quite; vaccination is still required to enter the US, and many colleges still even require the eight-mouse special. However, I expect a continued trend toward abandonment of requirements and few new requirements, with very low compliance if e.g. mask mandates are reintroduced by True Believers.
"And finally, is there much point continuing to worry about the vaccine side effects?"
Yes. This needs to eventually break through to the mainstream and become a scandal like thalidomide or Vioxx (though likely many times bigger). There seems to be momentum in that direction (see e.g. recent happenings in Florida) though it has so far been slow and has been possible for True Believers to ignore. It needs to break through in order for additional vaccination to stop and for additional attempts to roll out new mRNA shots for flu and common diseases to stop.
On the other hand, I don't think there is much point or benefit in worrying about impending mass death of anyone who has been vaccinated, or in trying to convince those who have gotten the shots that they have irreversibly harmed themselves.
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Date: 2022-12-19 01:37 am (UTC)I will see if I can find some. My SEAL friend is also a botanist, if you can believe that, so maybe he can help me.
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Date: 2022-12-19 01:39 am (UTC)Re: Doctors and eggheads are buzzing about unavailability of key antibiotic drugs in Oz.
Date: 2022-12-19 01:48 am (UTC)Because so many of these gas-lighted loyalists are freebasing any pharmaceuticals they can get their hands on. If it can be injected, swallowed, or topically applied, surely they've started smoking it at this point. Their Great God Progress commands "more, More, MORE!", and they dutifully obey.
Because we unrepentant disobedients refused to partake of their all-redeeming religious sacraments, in spite of their inspired efforts to force us. Now, they must make up for that heretical shortfall by consuming all the blessed crumbs and dregs that remain. No part of the body of their jealous god Progress can remain to be defiled by the corrupting natural world. His divine favors are for humans alone, and humans must consume every last one of His benevolent sacraments, while ecstatically chanting "more, More, MORE!" After smoking up all His pharmaceuticals, maybe Progress' converts can bless themselves further by consuming all the divine remnants leftover from nuclear reactors, another of His unquestionable boons.
Because popping pills always promised to make all the bad feelings go away. Now that so many of Progress' blessings lead to an increase in bad feelings, His devotees are left popping and injecting with a ever-increasing religious frenzy. Eventually, more pills, etc. will cause all of their feeling to go away... but their god will have kept His promise, once again. Who then will be left to chant "more, More, MORE!" at their empty idols?
— Christophe
Re: Prayer list
Date: 2022-12-19 01:59 am (UTC)I continue to heal a little more each day. I am grateful for all the prayer and support provided by the readers here.
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Date: 2022-12-19 02:02 am (UTC)— Christophe
Re: Predictions for 2023 and wider thoughts
Date: 2022-12-19 03:25 am (UTC)x
erika
Re: Predictions for 2023 and wider thoughts
Date: 2022-12-19 03:43 am (UTC)Too many people are just sick of all of it, and will prefer to move on rather than deal out the justice that's deserved. And that will in turn leave a lot of the draconian legal and political measures in hibernation, rather than being outlawed.
The next few years will have enough "emergencies", both real and promoted, that will break any momentum in coming to any sensible path forward with responses to pandemics, use of vaccines, and freedom of speech regarding the medical field.
Some flavor of the Great Reset will become the next "thing" to consume all of our bandwidth...
Re: Doctors and eggheads are buzzing about unavailability of key antibiotic drugs in Oz.
Date: 2022-12-19 08:49 am (UTC)Total nanny state.
Something is happening though to ensure that whole categories of antibiotics are becoming unavailable - presumably increased demand due to medically diagnosed illness domestically (which is the only way to get antibiotics domestically), and whatever is going on internationally. We make little of anything domestically anymore - it's too hard to compete abroad, so we mostly just sell rocks. I imagine the same is true for medicine, which is undoubtedly mostly made offshore by relatively lower paid workers, and companies that can enjoy vast economies of scale and markets that are available offshore.
In terms of religious sacraments, the 'god progress' is one of a pantheon around here, but I suspect he's not the biggest kid on the block. In fact, I think that spot probably goes to the god of 'sport'. People have their own shrines to his multitudinous 'saints' in their houses, go to his festivals and events, 'worship' every Sunday. . .
The footy clubs are our equivalent of churches. Filled with all sorts of bling and idols and people and devoted fans 'praying/worshiping' before them: poker machines, sports on TV and analysis of sports on TV, keno, horse races, etc. And before you scoff, the footy clubs do charitable works too! Plus, they have 'not for profit' tax status, like religious institutions. . .
They are the modern, popular churches around here to the modern god of sport.
Yes, I'm afraid it's the footy clubs around here that give people's lives meaning and purpose - nobody cares about highbrow ideals like progress at all! The followers of sport would easily crush the followers of progress, both in numbers and in passion. Just smash them really if they got between them and sport.
I don't think the locals in my neck of the woods think of antibiotics, or any other kind of meds with anything like religious reverence. Instead, they probably just look at them with the kind of dumb ignorance that comes from having spent every last brain cell and bit of mental effort thinking about sport, which might explain why 104% of them lined up for the clotshots instead of trying to think about, or resist, what they were accepting.
Yes, sport is the religion around where I live - and it seems like he's about as useless and out of step with the times as the god of progress is where you live.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-19 09:06 am (UTC)Christine Anderson
Date: 2022-12-19 09:08 am (UTC)Christine Anderson, German MEP: "The cat is out of the bag"
https://rumble.com/v1otap3-mep-christine-anderson-i-will-not-inject-a-poisonous-substance-into-my-body.html
Posted Oct 19, 2022
TRANSCRIPT
CHRISTINE ANDERSON, German Member of European Parliament: We are pleased to hold another press conference today because of the events unfolding after the committee session of last Monday when our colleague [Rob Roos, Dutch MEP], who I hope will still be able to join us this morning, asked Pfizer a question, and the answer was really what made the news.*
Put in a nutshell, the cat is out of the bag. It was a gigantic lie what they told us, that these vaccines would prevent you catching this virus or would prevent transmission.
Well, none of that was true, as it turns out. And based on that lie, all of the mandates, all of the lockdowns, all of the non-pharmaceutical measures, as wearing masks, staying at home, curfews, all of that, was based on that gigantic lie.
And yet they will not acknowledge it. No, they just go ahead with whatever they want to do with us.
I would like to point out a couple of things from the EU Commission's Action Plan, EU Response to COVID-19, Preparing for Autumn-Winter 2023. As you might have guessed, the focus of course is still on these hazardous mRNA injections. Well, that's not surprising here. They would like to implement and coordinate effective communication initiatives and strategies to promote uptake of additional injections, and complete the primary series of those who have not even begun yet, the unvaccinated.
So once again a particular group of a population is being targeted. And yeah, well, that's what they're trying to do.
They would like to increase vaccine confidence by debunking mis- and disinformation. Well who is spreading the mis- and the disinformation? It is EU Commission, it is the pharmaceutical companies, it is governments especially in the Western democracies. They are the one spreading the mis- and the disinformation. They are the ones telling people lies. For what? So their pharmaceutical companies make profits and profits and profits.
And the risks? Well, guess what, you, the taxpayers, you will be left with the risks.
And then of course they want to target, and they specifically say that, target hard to reach population groups. Well, I guess in that instance they are actually talking about me. Yes! I am a hard to target, hard to reach population group because I saw through their lies from the get-go. I'm still unvaccinated and I will remain unvaccinated. I will not inject a poisonous substance into my body. Point blank. So go ahead and try to target me. Good luck with that.
Then of course they go on with the gaslighting, labelling vaccine hesitancy, this is what they call it, as anti-Western and anti-EU. Can you believe this? So anyone who is not willing to let themselves be injected with this vaccine is anti-Western and anti-EU.
No, ladies and gentlemen, let's be clear about this, if you do not want to poison your body, and it is your choice to do with your body whatever you please. Remember my body my choice? That's their narrative actually. Remember that. So if you do not want to take that vaccine that has nothing to do with being anti-Western or anti-EU. It is pro-people! That's what it is. And it is anti-globalist elites. That's what it is.
And in this action plan they refer several times to not only covid 19, but now they slip in influenza. So this will be the next step for their measures, whether it be vaccinations or non-pharmaceutical interventions like wearing masks or staying at home, curfews, then they will be able to do so when there is an influenza pandemic or wave.
And whenever I think they could not possibly come up with yet another atrocity to inflict on people, they sure as heck prove me wrong.
The EU Commission proposes now the prioritized administration of the update injection for the vulnerable groups. And then they list who these vulnerable groups are, and they start by saying people aged 60 years and older, individuals with underlying conditions. No problem there. But then they list another group. And you really need to brace yourselves for that one. The vulnerable group among those who should be given priority to take this update vaccine are pregnant women.
I have never heard anything more despicable than that.
Because the point is this, they do not know what this vaccine does to the unborn child. They simply have no clue. And yet now they are pushing it on pregnant people.
And keep in mind, there has been a drop in birth rate. We don't know why that happened. You would expect the opposite of that, I mean, people were locked down. Remember what happened when they had a black out in New York in the 70s? Nine months later there were like babies left and right. But not this time. People were locked up for months in their homes. Nothing. Drop in birth rate. Interesting question. And these are the questions that we should be asking.
So just to give you an update on that, they will continue to try, they will continue to push, whatever their end goal is, they're trying to. And yeah, I would just like to thank you for supporting us and for letting us know that we indeed are advocating and fighting for what you the people want.
These globalists and their puppets are but a few people with no regard for you, for the people. We on the other hand are many because we are the people. And we will continue to fight for you, for your rights, for freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. Thank you very much.
[END]
7:18
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Rob Roos, a Dutch member of the European Parliament posted a video which was reposted at
via https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/its-not-about-you-its-about-me
October 11, 2022
(MY) TRANSCRIPT
ROB ROOS: If you don't get vaccinated, you're anti-social! This is what the Dutch Prime Minister and Health Minister told us. You don't get vaccinated just for yourself, but also for others— you do it for all of society. That's what they said.
Today, this turns out to be complete nonsense. In a COVID hearing in the European Parliament, one of the Pfizer directors just admitted to me: at the time of introduction the vaccine had never been tested on stopping the transmission of the virus.
This removes the entire legal basis for the Covid Passport. The Covid Passport that led to massive institutional discrimination as people lost access to essential parts of society.
I find this to be shocking, even criminal. Please watch the video until the end.
[CUT TO: ROB ROOS SPEAKING IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT]:
ROB ROOS: [Speaking in Dutch, English captions on screen: But to you, Ms. Small, I have the following short question, to which I would like a clear response.]
And I will speak in English so there are no misunderstandings. Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market? If not, please say it clearly. If yes, are you willing to share the data with this committee? And I really want a straight answer, yes or no. And I'm looking forward to it. Thank you very much.
[CUT TO J. SMALL of Pfizer speaking into microphone]
J. SMALL: Regarding the question around, um, did we know about stopping immunization before it entered the market? No! These, um, you know, we had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market.
[CUT TO R. ROOS STANDING OUTSIDE]
ROB ROOS: This is scandalous. Millions of people worldwide were forced to get vaccinated because of the myth that you do it for others. Now this turned out to be a cheap lie. This should be exposed. Please share this video.
[END]
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Christine Andersen's page on the European Parliament website:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/197475/CHRISTINE_ANDERSON/home
Christine Anderson's Telegram channel is
https://t.me/s/christineanderson
She has a YouTube channel however apparently Google has shadow-banned it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8D_tdzQxSVFY_kDEuEGOnQ
Christine Anderson's Twitter is:
https://twitter.com/AndersonAfDMdEP
Re: New vocabulary word
Date: 2022-12-19 09:11 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-19 09:47 am (UTC)It seems to me that there are plenty of instances in nature wherein once something passes a certain threshold then it's all downhill. Not unlike the process that happens to each and every living organism, with the possible exception of some immortals, I suppose.
Will this lab engineered virus be the enough to tip the ecosystem we inhabit into a new state? Maybe. It's a new introduction to the system after all, so nobody really knows what it's going to do to a certainty. But whatever happens it obviously won't all end for all things - the process will go on.
And, of course, there's a lot of space in between the extremes for living as well, until the balance tips us into a new state, as it must do eventually for each and every one of us and the ecosystem that each of us contains.
The bodies aren't stacking up yet though.
I imagine we'll eventually adapt and learn to live with it in time in any case. The bats did. There might be a lot of suffering between now and then though.
Taking a cold-blooded helicopter view of things, perhaps a big change could even be for the best in the long run? It's not as if the current arrangements don't appear to be on a fairly linear course to nowhere. Perhaps this event actually represents a negative feedback, such as you describe, that just sort of happen as if on que to prevent us from reaching an even worse, and possibly extinction level end point?
Just trying to be positive you know. And look, there are worse things than surviving the collapse of civilization. Humans lived for ages without all of this highbrow technology. Think of Hercules. Now there's someone to emulate. Nothing but his own godly intrinsic powers, a club and a lion skin, and he's off on adventures, smiting this and that, having sex with people all over the place, gods here and there, generally having a whale of a time.
Sex, death and the gods. . . turns out the best in things in life are free after all :P
The Ninth Mouse
Re: Electric Cars, AM Radio, a Sad Couple and Airplane Cockpits
Date: 2022-12-19 12:46 pm (UTC)I am really grateful to people who speak up.
Re: Prayer list
Date: 2022-12-19 12:52 pm (UTC)Re: New vocabulary word
Date: 2022-12-19 02:07 pm (UTC)Got it from Jeff Childer's post this morning, in the Palm Beack FL story:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/just-helping-monday-december-19-2022
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Date: 2022-12-19 02:30 pm (UTC)As for your scenario that a disease that's now usually just a cold, if not asymptomatic, will wipe out the species: how come nothing remotely similar happened before, say with Russian flu? Because this kind of virus, going pandemic, was ALWAYS going to mutate in such a way that it could continue to spread. If the vaccines had not been created, after most people still around had had the early strains, the virus would have evolved new strains that evaded antibodies to all the major parts of the original, rather than just the spike. That would have required more mutations and taken longer, but when you have eight billion people, many elderly or otherwise with weak immune systems, it would certainly have happened - just like new strains of flu and common cold coronaviruses keep evolving, so that even though you've had flu and common colds many times, still every so often one comes along that can hit you.
Measles makes people more susceptible to other infections for a year or two afterwards; but not forever, and not so susceptible that they all die, certainly not so susceptible that they somehow cause their neighbors to die. Covid may do the same. Covid vaccination may do the same. The mRNA vaccines certainly cause immune disorders, but since people who have had them aren't dropping dead of PCP pneumonia and Kaposi's sarcoma now, like people with AIDS did pre-ART, I see no reason to assume that they will all do so Real Soon Now.
Oh, and regarding AIDS: I'm old enough to vaguely remember claims that people with AIDS were a threat to those around them, and it was not true. If you want to improve the overall immune health of the population, persuade everyone you can to never get another booster, rather than muttering that "the vaxxed" are already a permanent deadly threat to you and should be segregated or injected with drugs - which will not exactly make anyone listen to you who isn't already a true believer.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Predictions for 2023 and wider thoughts
Date: 2022-12-19 02:33 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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Date: 2022-12-19 02:44 pm (UTC)