Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 54

[ecosophia]

As we move further into the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

[scotlyn]

To MethylEthyl

At the tail en of the last thread...

"stop being electronic people, and go be real people"

Just wanted to say "hear, hear" to this.

Also, to say thankyou to EVERYONE who participated in last week's "well what are ya going to DO about those others" thread.

Every single person, from all the different perspectives and viewpoints, made that thread electric and thought-provoking and different from your run-of-the-mill electronic firestorm. So thank you all. I am so glad to be able to converse with people who will just be themselves, and surprise me by saying what they mean, and not what they think I want to hear. :)

You are all wonderful! And.... real!

[dendroica]

Since I started one of those threads, I also want to say THANK YOU to everyone who contributed.

[(Anonymous)]

Apropos of that thread last week, there are a select few people, not many, who should be held to full account. Leanna Wen is among them. She was almost comically a Bond villain.

Here is Kim Iverson’s latest, rolling a ‘greatest hits’ video as Wen tries to reposition herself ahead of the incoming mob. Too late lady. Too late. We have the receipts.

https://youtu.be/b7JpeK_vo1s

[(Anonymous)]

"there are a select few people, not many, who should be held to full account."

I never understood this idea (see also Nuremberg trials). It's basically similar to some medieval festival where they would burn a witch to propitiate God.

Justice is done by evaluating every single person from the top down (including ourselves). It's slow and it's painful but it will at least air out the dirty laundry and will stop the mob from feeling guiltless ("we just followed orders").

Of course teachers believing the lies and torturing children are on a completely different level than Fauci BUT are they innocent? That can only be determined in a court of law - not by you and me based on feelz.

[dendroica]

And what is a court of law but the abstracted and codified feelz of a society (or at least its more influential members)?

Justice is fundamentally a subjective concept, unless you believe we are ruled by (a) higher power (s) that imposes a moral code, in which case or is still subjective for Him/Her/Them.

[(Anonymous)]

It's about practicality. Sure, if you want to burn ALL the witches, go ahead and try. See how far you get. Metaphorically of course. "Witches" might not be the best analogy around these parts ;)

It's the mass behavior that needs to be changed. If that happens, that's what matters to me. You can't hold every single person to account. I'd love for everyone to get a full accounting. But where does it end? It ends with Napoleon, that's where. I'm pretty ok with how I've behaved related to the covid insanity era, but I certainly don't want to be judged first. I have many other failings. If I don't get burned for covid, it will be something else for sure. So, this is the value of a few high profile examples.

About the feelz, I think dendroica is right. The feelz go deep! The feelz shouldn't be negated just because they aren't backed by God. Just ask the monkey test subject who doesn't get the grape when he earned it, but his fellow monkey did. I think most parents can attest, a child's first word is usually "mama" or "dada", which is rapidly followed by "but that's not FAIR!". Even if justice is subjective, and that case is strong for me, there are some fairly commonly accepted feelz. There is no reason not to use that as a basis.

Murmuration

[(Anonymous)]

"in which case or is still subjective for Him/Her/Them"

No, this is terrible philosophy.

-Bofur

[(Anonymous)]

I understand the appeal of an impartial trial with evidence etc. It’s a wonderful ideal in many ways, but they can and do only enforce existing laws and not all of those are in fact good laws. It’s a worthwhile thing but dealing with bad laws is just as important. There’s some truth to the feeling of being let down by the existing systems and institutions.

[(Anonymous)]

I had never heard of Leana Wen before you posted this (I don't have cable), so keep that in mind:

Hmm... (In reading up on her just now I discovered) Wen was hired as president of Planned Parenthood and asked to try to depoliticize it. She was later forced out; her claim at the time was she was forced out because she was succeeding at changing the direction of the organization.

I wonder if she learned from this experience that she needed to go all-in on any politicization in the future.

-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

[(Anonymous)]

She's one of the strangest creatures to ever grace cable tv and twitter. She's SO weird in a way that's hard to put my finger on. I've never really seen anyone like her. The best I can come up with is "mockingbird, mkultra, Manchurian candidate graduate, summa cum laude", maybe with a little Stepford wives thrown in.

Does anyone else pick up on that weirdness?

Murmuration

[p_coyle]

i, like one of the earlier posters, just learned about this person. i'm sure that over the course of the past couple of years i encountered a tweet or two of hers.

there were a multitude of dumba$$es back in the midst of the fiasco that masqueraded as "public health authorities" and certainly i missed out on this one, likely because i don't watch tee-vee.

the weirdness i picked up on was there are a couple clips where she looks, say, a decade or two older, and then looks younger again in subsequent clips. the backtracking on the narrative doesn't, at this point seem out of the ordinary, they're all doing it or else putting up a smokescreen to cover their posteriors (a certain cdc head comes to mind.)



and i know that lighting, makeup and camera angles come into play and sometimes fool our eyes and other times make a mountain out of a molehill. knowing that, i still think that the change in apparent age was the thing i took away as being the "weirdness."

[hearthspirit]

Okay, looking at her bio just now, I see the weirdness. She reminds me of our illustrious Bonnie Henry - she wrote that book, she should know better. Why did she play for the wrong team?

I feel like... we need Agent Double-Oh-Behave on the case for the MI5, in a repeat invasion, here.

The Abwehr did manage to get some of their agents into Britain - and the few that did get in, were successful beyond belief:

"Even so, their feat seemed a little bit too good to be true. "Considering the rate at which our agents are caught and hanged in Britain," the skeptics argued in Berlin, "it is astounding that they manage to remain at large."
...
Their success story intrigued Giles Perrault, the French historian of espionage. When during his research for a book about the German D-Day spies, he found that they were still on the job in the spring of 1944, three years later, he made a special effort to find out what made them tick.
...
It need not remain a mystery any longer. The fate of the German spies active in England during World War II can be cleared up conclusively once and for all.

They were either caught, interned and executed, or they were turned into double agents, all of them.

(italics in the original).
- The Game of the Foxes, Ladislaw Farago.

Every single message Abwehr topdog Ritter got from their super toppest spy, actually came from the eventual triple agent, codename "Snow" Johnny Owens - but not actually. They'd taken his afu set, then trained someone to impersonate his fingerprint exactly to fool the counterespionage listeners who are of course, trained to identify spies by their unique fingerprints to stop exactly such a thing occuring. But they didn't catch MI5, and for the duration of the war, Ritter was talking directly to MI.5 (italics in the original). "From here on, the whole mission was controlled by the British". One of the Germans was allowed to keep sending his own messages, which usually interspersed shaking the Abwehr down for more money, then complaining it hadn't come with gratuitous profanity taking up precious space on the character limit ("I s**t on Germany and its whole f******g secret service").

Espionage is so cool.

The particular spy story that intrigued Perrault is super bad-ass. I have to include it for sheer fun.

One of the huge "sabotage" successes that the Abwehr agents claimed was the destruction of a de Havilland plant, which they were able to verify with visual inspection from the air. But it was a complete Hollywood fakery:

The British had serving in the Camouflaged Experimental Station of the Royal Engineers a major named Jasper Maskelyne, the scion of a famous dynasty of magicians and himself an accomplished make-believe artist. His job was to adapt on a huge scale the conjurer's tricks to the fields of battle. He invented dummy guns, dummy shell barrages, dummy tanks and even dummy men; hid naval harbors; launched a fleeet of dummy submarines each 258 feet long; built a dummy battleship. Once, with the help of mirrors, he conjured up thirty-six tanks in the desert where in fact there was only one; and concealed the Suez Canal for part of its length.

Major Maskelyne and his "Magic Gang" also invented all sorts of paraphenelia for secret agents. He was now called in by MI.5 to devise the damage Eddie would be doing at the doomed plant so as to look real on the photographs of the German reconnaissance planes.

Maskelyne used a big relief canvas to cover the entire roof of the powerhouse. Painted on it in technicolor was the damage that supposedly had been wrought below. In one of his magic factories (of which he had three), he built paper-mache dummies that resembled the broken pieces of the generator. He strew them, as well as chipped bricks, battered blocks of concrete, smashed furniture and other such props all around the place, until it looked thoroughly wrecked from the air."

History is great, we should all learn from it.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, so I have to add this one to the mix now that you've opened the door.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/history/camouflage.html

The old Lockheed factory in Burbank (beautiful downtown Burbank!) had an amazing camouflage job done to it as well. It's part of the local SoCal lore. This place use to crank out p-38s by the bucketful, which if anyone is asking, is THE coolest plane ever made. Yes, the p-51 and sr71 are pretty awesome too. Hell, any of the old WW2 planes that makes that beautiful engine rumble. I could fall asleep to that sound. And Rutan's spaceship one gets some points too. But, the p-38 wouldn't be out of place next to Luke in the trench run though, so...it wins. Anyway, they dressed this enormous factory up in a ridiculously cool setup. Looked like the suburbs from the air when all was said and done. Nobody is gonna waste a bombing run on the suburbs!

Of note: Out of this factory later came the Skunkworks, and one of the true geniuses of American history, Kelly Johnson. I swear that guy must have been a bird in a past life. Also, out of this factory came Sirhan Sirhan (note: he was working in a cia affiliated space before his date with RFK) AND Thane Eugene Cesar. *Scratches chin and ponders*

Now though, I think that camouflage was actually a bit of real magic. It looked like the burbs then, and called the burbs forth. It's currently a parking lagoon hosting a walmart, target and lowes, with a superfund plume of hexavalent chromium slowly making its way down towards LA, in the groundwater. What an apt metaphor for the dark side of LA, America and the Modern World. Shiny, happy consumption on top of a dark and toxic history slowly making it's way to the heart.

Murmuration

[hearthspirit]

So cool.

Though...

"Nobody is gonna waste a bombing run on the suburbs!"

...about those British...

[This attempt] to gain a measure of control over the Luftwaffe's selection of targets by manipulating damagee reports beamed to the Germans by double agents, planted reports in neutral newapers, and such other channels as foreign correspondents and neutral diplmats... It was to become highly effective and was used broadly with a degree of ruthlessness under Mr. Churchill's personal supervision.
(footnote) Mr. Churchill's somewhat fiendish scheme was to divert the Luftwaffe from strategic areas by giving them bogus intelligence that built up expendable areas as desirable targets. He could be quite callous in selecting the latter. They included certain residential districts and most of the time the diversionary targets he picked happened to be working class districts. This led to a violent clash between the Prime Minister and Herbert Morrison, the Cockney statesman, in a heated cabinet meeting. The Home Secretary, a leader of the Labour Party, protested bitterly and vehemently against Churchill's choice of targets, exclaiming, "Who are we to play God?"

Huh. Well, given your example of the poisoned suburbs, actually pretty similar...

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, I recall reading about that now. Very ruthless. I don't doubt Roosevelt would have done the same, if his allies "the pacific" and "the atlantic" hadn't taken care of being the target of bombing campaigns. I sort of imagine that as cool as this camo was, even then 'they' knew to rile up unnecessary levels of fear in the people to best effect.

[hearthspirit]

Roosevelt's ruthlessness, that I read about, was essentially that he illegally skirted the American Neutrality Act before even entering the war formally, In Behind the Glory (and supposedly also the Hollywood film Captains of the Clouds, but I have not seen that), Ted Barris recounts that after Canada began supplying crews and planes to the British, King (Canadian PM), Churchill and Roosevelt arranged to have the Americans supply planes AND troops as well. Individual citizens can move. And selling manufactured goods to another country is just business, not war.

Roosevelt called us the "aerodrome of democracy" (as he later called the US the "arsenal of democracy").

But I like the Goebbels quote about Canadian pilots the best: "It drives one mad to think that some Canadian boor, who probably can't even find Europe on the globe, flies here from a country glutted with natural resources, which his people don't know how to exploit, to bombard a continent with a crowded population." I expected better from their propaganda guy, honestly; and a poopyhead to you too, good sir.

For a good Murmuration synchronicity though, before signing off the open military history post, apparently, is that I just talked to the lead engineer of the new electric float plane that just took it's first test flight from Vancouver to Vancouver Island today. "Making history!" everyone kept saying, and I was rolling my eyes and saying I expected it would, because it would fly like walrus - so heavy with the batteries, and no range. So I decided to go trash talk the engineer to her face - it's mean to talk behind someone's back, I figured; and told her what I expected of her plane.

She laughed, said it was heavier, but the engine design differed radically from the cars, and they were working with the battery people (who were not high in her estimation - "uh, where's your test history? specifications?" and they'd say, "we made a video about how neat they are!"), but the new propeller designs made the plane 50% more fuel efficient on liftoff, and absolutely silent. The thing is trickle charging right now in a 220V socket.

If, she said, it was a regular plane, it would not be an improvement, but since the Beaver was a seaplane, and only did short hops at 500 feet, it actually was. When she started the project, she had found comments from the original engineer of the Beaver on the impact of adding pontoons to a plane: "It flies like a snowplow through the air."

All the engineers were talking about their "plow" by the time I left.

[(Anonymous)]

It occurs to me that Sirhan Sirhan is only two names, and Thane Eugene Cesar is the full THREE names. And we all know what it means when you have THREE names in public ;)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't. Could you elaborate on the "three names in public" thing?

[(Anonymous)]

With your description I can see and feel the 'sliding' into the heart.

[temporaryreality]

She strikes me as a person who's painted a very flamboyant target on her own back.

She still retains non-native-English-speaker diction and it is apparent at odd intervals.

She seems quite intelligent (moved to the US at age 8, graduated high school at 13), but not very smart. I note that her parents sought asylum here, but she sure had some CCP-sounding things fall out of her mouth these last 2 years.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that odd interval diction grates on me!

[(Anonymous)]

Scotlyn, 'hear hear!' to that as well. Glad to be tuning in to the conversation.

If you're referring to the same thread of last week that I'm thinking of (and its 97! comments), I came away with a lot to think about. I was forced to think through my own views too... how do I play a role in rebuilding society that is neither too permissive nor too vindictive? What is the right balance?

A question to keep alive in thought and in conversation.

Dylan