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dog noseI've been reflecting of late on the number of people out there who seem to think that their opinions about other people's thoughts, words, and deeds are so precious that they just have to be shared with everybody. The inspiration, if that's the right word, for this train of thought was a comment by my wife, who noted with disgust that there's a splutterfest under way on some social medium or other about whether women should take their husband's last name when they marry, or not. A personal decision, relevant only to the two people who settle it between themselves? Yeah, that's what I thought, too, but apparently such common sense gets little air time on line these days, where so many people want to poke their noses into other people's business. 

Pick a subject, any subject, however intimate or irrelevant or utterly dependent on personal wants and needs, and dollars will get you doughnuts that a long line of officious busybodies is waiting to tell you what to do concerning it, no matter how calmly you explain to them that you have your own opinion, thank you, or how loudly you inform them that it's none of their godforsaken business and they can just butt out. Poking noses into other people's business is just about the only growth industry we've still got in America today. dog nose

In the ringing voice of an irate Druid, I proclaim: ENOUGH!

(Cue gathering clouds, a sudden wind shaking the branches of the oak trees, and a mutter of distant thunder...) 

It's time to revive The Order of Anti-Poke-Noses. 

The Order of Anti-Poke-Noses? Yes, indeed. It was founded in Arkansas in 1923 by people who were sick and tired of the revived Ku Klux Klan's insistence on poking its long and sheet-draped nose into everybody's business. There were actually a whole series of anti-Klan secret societies, who figured that the best way to beat the Klan (itself a standard-issue secret society) was to play the secret society game against it.  (It worked; look it up.) One of the most colorful (which also deserves a revival if I can ever find a copy of the ritual) was the Knights of the Flaming Circle; where the Klan only admitted white Protestant men born in the US, the Knights of the Flaming Circle admitted everyone else -- women, people of color, immigrants, members of other religions -- and wore black robes; their emblem was a circle of flame around the Statue of Liberty, and they stood for constitutional liberty and the rule of law. 

dog noseBut it's the Order of Anti-Poke-Noses, it seems to me, that deserves revival here and now, in an age full of pompous blowhards who want to tell you and everyone else how to live their lives. Here's my proposed membership application: 

Name______________________________

Do you agree that, within the due limits of civil and criminal law, people have the right to live their own lives however they want, without being pestered by you or anybody else?  (  )Yes   (  )No

Do you agree that nobody needs to know what you think about what they think and what they do, unless they specifically ask you for your opinion?  (  )Yes   (  )No

Do you agree that you don't get the right to interfere in other people's choices just because you feel butthurt that they didn't make those choices the way you would? (  )Yes  (  )No

Do you agree that your freedom to live the way you want stops at the point when you use that freedom to tell other people they can't live the way they want?  (  )Yes  (  )No

If you answered all four questions "Yes": 

Congratulations! You're a member of the New Independent Order of Anti-Poke-Noses! Your annual dues consist of upholding the values you've just affirmed, and telling officious busybodies of all persuasions to take a long walk off a short dock. Our Honorary Grand Musician, Hank Williams, will now play the initiation ode: [Click Here]

Thank you, and welcome to the Order. Spread the word. 

MYOB!

Date: 2018-03-24 07:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I truly enjoy seeing the look on busybodies' faces when they are trying to get me whipped up over something someone, somewhere, is thinking or doing or thinking about doing, and I just shrug and wonder aloud why I should care? My mother's frequent response to squabbling and tattle-taling among her five children was, "MYOB!" Most unsatisfactory to whichever child was trying to stir things up, because of course it's way more fun and less work to complain about someone else than to actually do whatever it is you're supposed to be doing. I suspect much of today's nose-poking is similarly a distraction from having to attend to one's own messes. But like my mother, I'm mostly too busy to be interested. The lack of basic manners involved is astonishing, though, or rather I wish it were more surprising and less commonplace. Wouldn't it be lovely if more of us actually minded our own business, both in the active sense of engaging in the useful activities available to us, and in the passive sense of refraining from trying to boss others around?
--Heather in CA

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Date: 2018-03-24 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] collapsingnow
I find it rather funny in a warped kind of way how many people I know insist in loud voices that it ought to be the woman's choice, and then when someone makes a choice they disagree with will start screaming at them...

Hurrah!

Date: 2018-03-24 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How I wish this had been covered in Arkansas's fourth grade state history unit when I was growing up.

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Duet

Date: 2018-03-24 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hank will now sing a duet with Billie Holiday:

If I should take a notion
To jump into the ocean
Ain’t nobody’s business if I do!

—Fuzzy

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Date: 2018-03-24 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
With Fats Waller on piano...

My application is in

Date: 2018-03-24 06:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] slclaire
I hereby submit my application to join the Order, having checked Yes on all four questions, and I will follow instructions on the dues. May I suggest an emblem for the Order? If so, I respectfully suggest a nose flute to be the emblem.

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Date: 2018-03-24 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] violetcabra
I seriously uphold the values of the The New Independent Order of Anti-Poke Noses, and see how I'm already abiding by said values with people I'm not intimate with. With intimacy I feel, naturally, more involved, and find a need to assert boundaries, and sometimes to discuss how someone else's behavior is effecting me. There is also the issue of egregores and the need to sometimes cut ties.

I've had friends with whom our values grew apart, to the point of us no longer being friends. Of course, we had conversations about this. I've stopped being friends with folks because they were engaged with a certain degree of what I considered to be self-destruction and was tired of hearing about them knowingly harming themselves and putting themselves in danger. In Transactional Analysis there is the "Gallows Transaction" and I don't want to ever do that with a friend. That feels callous and unfeeling - I'd rather end the friendship, frankly.

What I'm expressing is that there appears to be horrible, unspoken binary in popular culture where you either are an officious busybody or are callously permissive. Reading this post I see that I struggle to find the undefined middle path between these two extremes in my intimate relationships, and now have a subject for today's discursive meditation.

Emeritus Member

Date: 2018-03-24 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Darn it All! This is the best thing in a while! I'm in.

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Date: 2018-03-24 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kayr
Sign me up. Great song.

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Date: 2018-03-24 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Alas, busy bodies have been with us for a long time. Even the Bible has admonitions against them and the Greek philosopher Theophrastus was said to have written of them in his work Characters.

A brief google search turned up images of the 'acquaintance card' associated with the Order of Anti-poke noses and being a sucker for vintage images, I have printed out a copy for myself. I don't know if the salary of $500 a year will be enough to convince people to join this worthy organization but one can always hope.

JLfromNH

OAPN

Date: 2018-03-24 08:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Y Y Y Y Joining...

Three cheers for the virtual NIOAPN!

Date: 2018-03-24 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear Sir,

By the number of comments, this seems foredoomed to be a short-lived revival (gathering of clouds and all considered...)
Well, the few of us can always persevere (with a smile - may I suggest an alternative anthem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hziG9Nr6KHU)?)

arménio pereira

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Date: 2018-03-24 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've filled out the application, sang a rousing chorus of the initiation ode, and stitched the badge to my jacket. Since I'm a seamstress, I will make a flag for us but only if I can be known from now on as The Betsy Ross of the Anti-Poke-Noses. (Check out Old Crow Medicine Show's "Let It Alone" for another possible anthem.)
-Rebecca

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Date: 2018-03-25 03:55 am (UTC)
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Y Y Y Y !!! M... Y O... B

I love this!

August KG7BZ

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Date: 2018-03-25 06:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Can I practice my 3-gun with 30 round mags, pistol grip, flash hider, and a telescopic/folding stock without being called a terrorist child killer with blood on my hands? If so I'm in!

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Date: 2018-03-25 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm in! And so is my husband (whose name I took three years ago, and yes, I had people question that choice).

-Maria

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Marriage in July

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Please count me in!

Date: 2018-03-25 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Another nefarious husband’s-name-taker here. I’ve a strong traditionalist streak, and did that 33 years ago. Kept my maiden name as my middle name. Also did not have children. Been offered plenty of unsolicited opinions about both choices to this day. Usually by women. No, wait, ALWAYS by women. C’mon, girls, grow the frack up!

OtterGirl

fugio cent

Date: 2018-03-25 07:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amritarosa
The first authoried American coins minted here (the "fugio" cent) bore the image of a sundial and the word "FUGIO", as well as the motto "MIND YOUR BUSINESS" on their obverse.

On the reverse, thirteen interlaced rings and a statement of unity.

I have a replica, and it's one of my favorite talismans, charged to remind me that life's short, and that I should focus back on my own work when I get a little too preoccupied with what others are doing. It's one of my favorite possessions.

http://www.benfranklin300.org/frankliniana/result.php?id=78&sec=0

Women Oppressing Women

Date: 2018-03-26 12:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The ladies are so busy smacking each other around, I think you are perfectly safe from their torches and pitchforks, JMG.

OtterGirl

I'm in!

Date: 2018-03-26 02:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm in! And I have to say I agree with you about women oppressing other women. I've had many more women trying to put me down than men over the years. And I took my husband's name when I got married, and then kept it when we divorced--both times getting flak from people with no clue to my reasons, other than they didn't like my choices! Catherine

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Date: 2018-03-26 04:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
Well, I'm all for joining NIOAPN, though the "limits of law" clause may become a bit of hurdle down the road. It's the incessant nose-poking by the various levels of .gov that I find particularly annoying. That's more difficult to deal with then a busybody, which normally scurries away after a couple of verbal jabs.

I'm also a proponent of a sister organization, the "League of Anti-Small-Minded People", which restricts the poor form of discussing the personal lives of others, and instead promotes the discussion of ideas. A potential motto for the LASMP might be, "Get a life!" with the symbol of several members of the Kardashian Clan burning in effigy, freely displayed on flags and coins.

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Date: 2018-03-28 03:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes to all 4 questions, but I'd like to make an exception for those adorable poky dog-noses. ;)

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