Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 8

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as we watch the breakthrough infections and the reports of fatal and crippling side effects of the vaccines mount up, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This is what I have learned about covid this week:

There is more evidence that covid was created in a lab. (a proposal in 2018 by the eco health alliance to essentially create what will be come known as Covid 19)

There is a large seasonal component to covid. (thanks bad cat) And we can expect those places that are going into fall and winter will be facing a coming spike in cases.

And to recap my understanding:
The mRNA vaccines produce a short term (~6 months) spike in antibodies that target the spike protein.
They also produce a long term down regulation of the immune system to covid ( and maybe a generalized down regulation of the immune system) giving people greater tolerance for covid.
This has the advantage of stopping immune system overreaction (a main cause of death) but it is also allowing for the vaccinated to become super spreaders. Because the vaccinated can get infected and have very high viral loads yet still be non-symptomatic, they can go out and be with a bunch of other people and spread the illness. It seems that being exposed to very high viral loads can overcome your immune system (regardless of vaccinated / non vaccinated / natural immunity from recovering from covid).

If my understanding is close to be correct this fall/ winter we will be facing a plague of asymptomatic, vaccinated, super spreaders .

This is shaping up to be a winter of discontent.

[(Anonymous)]

The new Picture Guy looks like he’s praying 🙏. Although I think this society hasn’t got a prayer, I can’t blame him for trying.

—Lady Cutekitten

Strong proof that the virus is lab-made

[(Anonymous)]

After the virus started to spread in early 2020, media and big tech blocked all suggestions that the virus could leak out of Wuhan virology lab. Those restrictions were removed in May 2021, but still some scientists with vested interests continued to argue that virus was zoonotic. Very recently, someone leaked a DARPA grant proposal from 2018 that shows that the unusual features of the virus are exactly as what the grant proposed.

I wrote a blog post explaining the science -

https://homolog.us/blogs/bioinfo/2021/09/22/this-grant-proposal-scariest-document-i-have-ever-read/

I find the grant proposal quite scary. We are lucky that Nipah virus with 75% mortality rate did not leak out first, because these guys were planning to run their monkey business with that one too.

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone have any good information about babies born to mothers who were vaccinated during or before pregnancy? I heard a rumour from a friend and then someone posted a link to something on last week's post, but so far I haven't seen anything I feel confident trusting, just rumours that these babies are different.

I have no idea whether it's true or not, but if it is true then oh dear gods things could get ugly very quickly....

[(Anonymous)]

La Quinta Columna has some videos on Bitchute that show babies who have hyper-pigmented eyes and who develop early: hair, teeth, trying to walk. Enter "pandemic babies" into the Bitchute search engine and that should bring up the videos on the subject. The babies in the videos are often too old to be the product of COVID vaccinations. Did La Quinta Columna vet the video sources? Were the babies actually from vaccinated parents? A couple of them look like they have Down's Syndrome or a similar developmental disorder. I think La Quinta Columna did sloppy research this time around. Not all babies are born perfect or gorgeous, and a baby who tries to sit up, walk, or speak ahead of schedule is a good thing. Nevertheless, the vaccines never should have been released. There should have been at least a decade's worth of research and testing put into them first. I am confident they are this era's Thalidomide.

[tamanous2020]

Thanks as always JMG for hosting this venue! I believe the firing of the 70,000 New York nurses is coming through today. Sad to see how the "heroes" of last year are now the pariahs of today. Still, the silver lining is that this will be a make or break sign for ongoing political efforts to clamp down on vaccine dissedents. I wouldn't want to be involved with New York's medical system come this winter.

One other big red flag I'm concerned of now is the major push for child vaccination, which I believe is set to be approved by the end October. The thought that there will soon be rashes of stories of kids dropping dead unexpectedly makes me think of the Carthiginians offering their children to Moloch.

Has there been any other news data or trends indicating the ADE hypothesis is becoming realized? I've heard that all cause mortality rates are increasing in places like Israel and Scotland but not much else. Anecdotely, I've observed a number of vaccinated people suddenly having things formerly in remission popping back up or being more commonly under the weather.

[troyjonesiii]

Yep, that was today, and Gov. Hochul really went through with it. Her plan is to call up the National Guard to replace them until such time as she can bring in enough foreigners. (Today she also proclaimed herself God's representative and sent out her apostles to preach the gospel of vaccination. No lie. Big news day for New York's brand-new governor.)

Slight problem with firing 70,000 nurses and doctors, however: there's no way the New York Army National Guard has 70,000 trained medical personnel. In fact, it's unlikely that they have anything like 70k personnel total. The NYANG consists of one infantry division and one "troop command," whatever that is, and being as generous as we can that might be as many as 50,000 total personnel, likely not that many. How many of them are medically trained? Not 70,000, I think it's safe to say.

Moreover, the National Guard are sort of like a militia-- they are part-time military, in a manner of speaking. The overwhelming majority of the NG have civilian jobs. I would expect that most Guardsmen who have medical expertise are already working as nurses, doctors, etc. in New York on a civilian basis.

And all this right at the beginning of flu-and-coof season. I don't foresee this ending well.

Vaccine apostles!

[(Anonymous)]

Welp, here we go into the next phase of this. I imagine a lot of you have heard this already, but here's New York's new governor addressing the Christian Cultural Center on Sunday:

... I say to them whatever comes your way in life you are stronger. You are more resilient. God let you survive this pandemic because he wants you to do great things someday. He let you live through this when so many other people did not and that is also your responsibility. But how do we keep more people alive?

We are not through this pandemic. I wished we were but I prayed a lot to God during this time and you know what - God did answer our prayers. He made the smartest men and women, the scientists, the doctors, the researchers - he made them come up with a vaccine. That is from God to us and we must say, thank you, God. Thank you. And I wear my 'vaccinated' necklace all the time to say I'm vaccinated. All of you, yes, I know you're vaccinated, you're the smart ones, but you know there's people out there who aren't listening to God and what God wants. You know who they are.

I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other. We love each other. Jesus taught us to love one another and how do you show that love but to care about each other enough to say, please get the vaccine because I love you and I want you to live, I want our kids to be safe when they're in schools, I want to be safe when you go to a doctor's office or to a hospital and are treated by somebody, you don't want to get the virus from them. You're already sick or you wouldn't be there. We have to solve this, my friends. I need every one of you. I need you to let them know that this is how we can fight this pandemic, come back to normal and then start talking about the real issues that we have to - fighting systemic racial injustice which exists today and if there is a denier I will take you on every day because I've seen it, I know it exists and we're not going to have a blind eye to this ever again any longer under my watch. That is my commitment to you.

If you're one who can tolerate videos, her tone is almost as offputting as her message. What a liar:
https://mobile.twitter.com/WokePreacherTV/status/1442533151167897601

Apparently the only people on TV who can talk about this subject like sane, thoughtful human beings are pro athletes:
https://mobile.twitter.com/anish_koka/status/1442835821460172801
https://twitter.com/i/status/1442708917251887104

J.

Re: Vaccine apostles!

[(Anonymous)]

Also according to Hochul, apparently the leaders of all the world's organized religions have declared that there's no legitimate reason for religious exemptions from the vaccine:

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/did-kathy-hochul-just-declare-a-state

Still haven't gotten my letter from the Boss of All Druids stating this. Mail must be slow. Also, weird that the Jew Pope and the Muslim Pope would agree on this one particular point.

-Cliff

[(Anonymous)]

I don't post in this thread as I'm unqualified to do anything except offer gratitude.

(Strangely, though, there seem to be people from utterly disparate parts of my life posting and reading here who know my work on Tomberg, including videos thereof.)

But in addition to my deep gratitude to JMG for this (and more) I came across something in Britain's right wing Daily Telegraph that may interest, acknowledging increase in UK death rate, while swearing it's not due to covid.

Quote: "a second health crisis is slowly emerging in Britain. Since early July, there have been thousands of excess deaths that were not caused by the coronavirus."

"Crisis" . . . ?

It's behind a paywall - but a non-paywall version is here:

https://goodwordnews.com/thousands-more-people-die-than-usual-but-its-not-from-covid/

Comments about this would be appreciated, as would pointers/links to other streams or forums of information that people here find as intelligent as this one.

[(Anonymous)]

The really scary possibility is that the mRNA vaccines not only down regulate your immune systems response to Covid 19 but down regulates your immune system in general making you less able to fight off new and pre-existing illnesses.

Too bad all those people in the control groups for the mRNA vaccines were told to get vaccinated, otherwise that data would be coming in and we could have an idea if this is (or is not) responsible for the excess deaths among the vaccinated.

[(Anonymous)]

Curious if someone can explain why the continued insistence that getting the vaccine is the best way for someone to protect others from getting Covid. I've seen this reasoning used to terminate healthcare workers "we have the responsibility to protect our patients, visitors, and team members" by requiring vaccination. Colleges used the same line of reasoning. With a normal vaccine, this reasoning works. I even see the CDC and NIH saying the mRNA "protects you and others". It's like they are under a trance.

[(Anonymous)]

Most people have seemed to me to be in a trance, impervious to logic, impervious to nuance, impervious to any & all information that doesn't fit the narrative, since the beginning of all this in the winter of 2020.

Cetiosaurus

More on the actions on mRNA and other vaccines

[escorcher]

Came across this paper this week:

https://europepmc.org/article/PPR/PPR334978

'The BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 reprograms both adaptive and innate immune responses'

From it: "In conclusion, the mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine induces complex functional reprogramming of innate immune responses, which should be considered in the development and use of this new class of vaccines."

My comment: Bit late to suggest this, esp. as specifics on what that reprogramming is and means are somewhat lacking and so many have already been injected!!! But looks like this would fit in with Mark L's suggestions regards the innate immune system, just a little more concerned now on any other affects e.g. increased risk of cancer. I know Dr Ryan Cole has brought this up recently.

Re: More on the actions on mRNA and other vaccines

[(Anonymous)]

That's another paper that factored into my original tolerance hypothesis.

So far I have not found any more, though I have made a habit of looking through new papers every few days.

What I have found is additional evidence that a breakdown in tolerance leads to severe Covid-19 illness, and there is some evidence that this may be caused directly by a viral protein (ORF8) resulting in production of autoreactive antibodies and a dysregulated inflammatory response.

The phenomenon of broken tolerance mechanisms resulting in severe illness/autoimmune attack has also been observed with West Nile virus (https://www.jci.org/articles/view/39387).

So I find it likely that persistent vaccine protection against severe illness despite rapidly waning protection against infection is due to a tolerance induction effect, but I am still waiting for a study that examines regulatory T cell abundance and activity following vaccination and compared with natural immunity.

Mark L

Hospitalization is not grounds for medical exemption?

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Ontario, I was given the option of getting a shot or getting shown the door by my employer.

A week after, I found myself in an ambulance, clutching my chest. (Male, mid-30s.)

But no, according to the hospital doctors, I am not medically exempt from getting the second shot-- because it wasn't myocarditis. That and anaphylactic shock are the only exemptions, by law. Only my aorta looked swollen on the ultrasound, not the whole heart, so that's fine. Not much blood goes through the aorta, right, guys?

Before anyone says it: yes, I should have just quit.

(for the record, they gave me something in the ambulance and I started to feel better, so they let me out same-day.)

Re: Hospitalization is not grounds for medical exemption?

[tamanous2020]

Sorry to hear that happened to you Anon. May we send prayers your way for good health?

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, John Michael Greer, for hosting this discussion forum. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it. I read every comment, and I have found so many of them very helpful. This is going on week eight, wow.

Cetiosaurus

[(Anonymous)]

I'm noticing more people blanking out, making silly mistakes, and getting frustrated over small things. Usually this would not be an issue but it's becoming too frequent to ignore as mere background noise. Trying to have a productive conversation with normies is increasingly difficult as well. If the topic strays outside of the comfort zone I start to find myself getting talked over.


On the other hand I had a vaccinated friend who demanded to know what I know. I didn't want to freak him out so ADE and blood clots never came up, and I simply suggested that he should probably pass on the booster shot. Apparently he had a really bad reaction to both Modernas, especially the second, and was nervous about going back in.

Locally the propaganda says the demand is very high for boosters, but I think that might just be an attempt to make it feel like a false sense of scarcity.

[temporaryreality]

As is becoming tradition (and with apologies to my subscribers who don't want to read the long posts), I've got the assorted comments and posts, with as much contextual info as I can provide, featuring IM DOC that I've "mirrored" from the Naked Capitalism site. I'm up to April 2021 - about the time IM Doc and others started seeing unexpected patients coming in (vaccinated folks were - symptomatically or asymptomatically - catching and spreading Covid, including to each other, and he's beginning to note that by mid-April). I've got a few more posts lined up and you can click on my username to read the thread as it stands so far.

[(Anonymous)]

Many, many thanks for putting those comments together in one place. I go to nakedcapitalism to read only his comments, and that is a lot of searching for needle in haystack.

[(Anonymous)]

Here is an article banned by Medium

https://www.ukcolumn.org/index.php/article/banned-paper-doctors-risk-versus-benefit-assessment-of-covid-jabs

It states:
The vaccines are unnecessary
The vaccines lack efficacy
The vaccines are dangerous

"Initial experience might suggest that the adenovirus-derived vaccines (AstraZeneca/Johnson & Johnson) cause graver adverse effects than the mRNA (Pfizer/Moderna) vaccines. However, upon repeated injection, the former will soon induce antibodies against the proteins of the adenovirus vector. These antibodies will then neutralize most of the vaccine virus particles and cause their disposal before they can infect any cells, thereby limiting the intensity of tissue damage.

In contrast, in the mRNA vaccines, there is no protein antigen for the antibodies to recognize. Thus, regardless of the existing degree of immunity, the vaccine mRNA is going to reach its target—the body cells. These will then express the spike protein and subsequently suffer the full onslaught of the immune system. With the mRNA vaccines, the risk of severe adverse events is virtually guaranteed to increase with every successive injection. In the long term, they are therefore even more dangerous than the vector vaccines. Their apparent preferment over the latter is concerning in the highest degree; these vaccines are not safe."

There was also a symposium held with various experts here:
https://doctors4covidethics.org/symposium/

[(Anonymous)]

Project Veritas continuing their slow release of undercover Covid work. This one is a J&J exec honestly sharing that vaxing kids is a bad idea:

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/johnson-and-johnson-children-dont-need-the-f-cking-covid-vaccine-because/

Incarnation

[(Anonymous)]

Hi JMG,

Apologies if this is too 'occulty' for these posts, and I know you prefer to remain silent on them where possible, but I have a question for you:

- Is there an occult means by which a non-human soul or spirit could incarnate into a human body?

Meaning - would it be, at least theoretically, possible for a demon or other malevolent spirit to take on a human baby if the mother was vaccinated?

Fake/misrepresented or not, the videos people posted here of 'vaccine babies' have creeped me out, and I really, really hope that you will give me an outright "No" to my question...

Have you found any further evidence for/against your demon hypothesis which you'd be willing to share as well?

Apologies if this double posts by the way, I had to re-type it out again, as the text suddenly vanished...

Re: Incarnation

[ecosophia]

Demons can't incarnate in human bodies. They can't incarnate at all -- their jealousy of our access to material existence is one of the reasons they hate us so much. Some occult authors -- Dion Fortune among them -- argue that elemental spirits sometimes end up incarnated in human form, but elementals aren't malevolent.

As for my hypothesis, no, I haven't seen anything else either confirming or disconfirming it.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps there is some hope for Australia. The police commissioner of New South Wales refuses to enforce the vaccine mandate.

I'm curious if anyone in Australia is feeling a little lighter in spirit there.

https://summit.news/2021/09/28/australian-police-commissioner-refuses-to-enforce-vaccine-passport-mandate/

Jon
tangerine tangential cactus

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. The NSW Premier also announced that they will have what is definitely not a 'freedom day' on 1 December where even the unvaccinated will not be subject to restrictions any more. This was a complete about face from the rhetoric of the last few months. Of course, throughout corona the government has completely contradicted itself so many times I've lost count, so I wouldn't bet that any of this will happen. But this is the first ray of light at the end of the tunnel. If they can do that in time for the start of summer we may be able to break the craziness here.

Btw - almost all the horror scenes that have become famous around the world have come out of Melbourne where the premier and the police force are completely out of control. NSW has been relatively sane for most of this time.

American exceptionalism?

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t have enough time to follow all the details and keep up with the latest developments, so I might be mistaken, but I got the impression from the comments here and other sources that in the UK and Israel the vaccinated are being hospitalized and dying at a greater rate than the unvaccinated. However, from what I am able to find out for the US, this is not happening here. Perhaps it is only anecdotally, but I am seeing articles like this: https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/13-unvaccinated-miami-school-workers-killed-by-covid-in-3-weeks/
and this: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/28/nolte-data-confirms-trump-counties-dying-to-own-the-libs/
and I don’t know what to make of it.

Does anybody who comments here know what the situation is, and why it could be that the vaccine seems to be working in the US but not working in the UK and Israel?

Re: American exceptionalism?

[(Anonymous)]

The US government fudges official numbers more would be my guess.

[upstateny]

I don't think vaccines are "working in the US but not working in the UK and Israel". Israel was very early in the vaxx push, with high uptake rates, and their [negative] results are showing up sooner. They also have an excellent tracking system so stats are more available. In checking worldometer, Israel's 7 day moving average case count is higher than it has been at any point in the pandemic. Hardly a selling point for how well vaccination is working.

The UK's stats, from what I've seen, are harder to tease out, which is why you often see Scotland's stats discussed instead of the UK in general. Having said that, a quick check of worldometer shows that the UK had a JULY surge in cases, which they did not have last year (in fact, their July surge this year was creeping up toward the max of last winter's surge!). I'm sure the leaders will say it's because lockdown was lifted, but I doubt that considering masks don't really do much of anything, nor does 6 feet of space. In the UK's case, increased deaths are not proportionately higher in keeping with increased cases, thankfully. This is perhaps because many in the vulnerable population died during the previous wave.

All that said, the definition of a "case" is so highly suspect I'm not sure why we pay attention to that at all anymore.

Testing

[escorcher]

I did a bit of a search yesterday, as the UK has had consistently high 'case' figures for a while now - why, when the rest of Western Europe's have reduced?

Part of the answer is in testing - 15 tests per thousand people are being presented with results daily in the UK (around a million tests a day). That compares with, say, Spain who are currently announcing test results at a rate of 2 per 1000.

Quite a difference and not all of it will be simply because of number of people with symptoms getting tested. I'd argue national approaches and collective attitude to disease monitoring are affecting each country's figures to the extent that official case figures are certainly questionable if taken as an objective measure. This is, of course, even before discussing test accuracy issues.

American exceptionalism?

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t have enough time to follow all the details and keep up with the latest developments, so I might be mistaken, but I got the impression from the comments here and other sources that in the UK and Israel the vaccinated are being hospitalized and dying at a greater rate than the unvaccinated. However, from what I am able to find out for the US, this is not happening here. Perhaps it is only anecdotally, but I am seeing articles like this: https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/13-unvaccinated-miami-school-workers-killed-by-covid-in-3-weeks/
and this: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/28/nolte-data-confirms-trump-counties-dying-to-own-the-libs/
and I don’t know what to make of it.

Does anybody who comments here know what the situation is, and why it could be that the vaccine seems to be working in the US but not working in the UK and Israel?

Re: American exceptionalism?

[methylethyl]

There are a lot of things confusing the data there, that need to be taken into account:

1) It's a seasonal illness, and countries in different climates reach peaks at different times, even without covid or vaccines. If you could compare graphs of flu deaths from some previous year, you'd get a sense of it.

2) The US has more than one distinct climate zone, so different regions get peak illness/deaths at different times, which makes aggregate data for the US really hard to interpret. It's better if you can break it out and look at individual states separately.

3) The UK and Israel keep way better vital statistics records than the US. It's like if you were trying to compare apple harvests between those three countries: it'd be like Israel counts and weighs every crate of apples picked. The UK weighs every individual apple, then tallies up the crates, and also records which orchard each crate came from. But the US lets each of the 50 states report their apple stats however they want. California combines apples and oranges into one count. Florida doesn't grow apples, and just counts its orange harvest because there's not a separate count for oranges, and it doesn't want California to make it look bad. Texas doesn't think apple counts are important, and doesn't get around to turning in its numbers until 6 months after harvest time. Rhode Island is meticulous because it's proud of its 3 apple farmers and wants to make sure they're counted, but makes up so little of the total it gets lost in the statistical noise. Delaware just makes up a number every year, because it can't be bothered with that. And on down the list. As a result, US data is often not worth the paper it's printed on.

4) Israel was first on the let's-vaccinate-everybody bandwagon, and the UK was not far behind. The US lags somewhere behind that, time-wise.

5) Not everybody is using the same vaccines. Israel seems to be using Pfz pretty universally. I'm not sure about the situation in the UK, and in the US, I think Pfz leads the pack but people have had a few other options.

If I had to bet on it, the reason it looks like it's working in the US is either because we have a lower concentration of vaccinated people, or because US vital statistics data is donkey excrement.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a good discussion on the Israel situation here, where the raw numbers don't look good at all

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/what-do-new-israeli-data-say-about-effect-of-vaccines-boosters-vs-death-critical-severe-disease

The numbers can be massaged based on age to look better, but if it's age related, then that's likely to be a normal distribution of what happens with disease anyway. It does leave me wondering about the vaccines.

Vaccine Injury in Israel

[(Anonymous)]

Is someone here plugged into Israeli social media? Are people sharing stories about adverse vaccine reactions? Are they being censored and shut down?

There was a recent video compilation of heart wrenching stories from Israel, linked here last week. I got nine minutes into the video and I could not continue watching.

The director said that she heard many more tragic stories, but only those 40 allowed themselves to be interviewed on camera.

Some of the commentariat are Hebrew speakers. Do you have a feel for what is going on?

Cyan Lily-livered Lynx

Re: Vaccine Injury in Israel

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Cyan Lily-livered Lynx,

I posted elsewhere on this forum about the documentary of testimonies about vax injuries in Israel. You can find that webpage, and many videos of testimony about injuries (clots, stroke, neurological damage, inflammation, myrocarditis, etc) at this link:

https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/

The website says: "The Testimonies Project was created to provide a platform for all those who were affected after getting the covid-19 vaccines, and to make sure their voices are heard, since they are not heard in the Israeli media. We hope this project will encourage more and more people to tell their story."

Cetiosaurus

A voice of sanity in the Canadian MSM? How can that possibly be???

[(Anonymous)]

It is encouraging to see that a regular columnist in one of Canada’s two national newspapers – none other than the witty and erudite iconoclast Rex Murphy – is fuming about the insane restrictions in Ontario and, more importantly, that the ever-changing and contradictory rules made up by our masters always seem to favour the elite and punish the commoner. The man is on a roll – and he promises a tirade of 'rona-themed erudite rants in the near future!
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-you-want-to-eat-that-doughnut-here-show-me-your-papers
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-how-covid-19-taught-the-public-to-distrust-the-authorities

Further cracks in the wall?

Ron M

Re: A voice of sanity in the Canadian MSM? How can that possibly be???

[(Anonymous)]

"Get" du jour. I clicked on that first one, saw 777 comments.

[walt_f]

What I'm seeing this week is that new reported cases are falling significantly worldwide, in the U.S. as a whole, and in nearly all individual U.S. states. This started becoming apparent a couple weeks ago, but now the trend looks more clear and consistent. The change is most obvious and started soonest in the states with the most dramatic recent surges (and, generally speaking, lower vaccination rates).

This is despite the touted higher infectiousness of the delta variant, despite a steady output of new variants, despite the start of the school year, despite the general disregard for public masking, despite the feared wearing off of vaccine protection, and despite the (still looming for the future) risk of ADE or other adverse long-term vaccine effects. The negative feedbacks are still there, behaving the same as they did for every previous "wave."

This is not generally being reported in the mainstream or alternative media. Maybe no one wants to risk an optimistic outlook, or maybe it's because the new case numbers are the wind in everyone's agenda. During past waves, after the peak of new cases, reporting in the media has shifted from new case numbers to ICU occupancy to death counts as the delayed effects of the peak take their turns. That same news cycle has been playing out again.

Unless this trend suddenly reverses itself in an unprecedented way on a massive scale, it will eventually get noticed, and I hope it will help take the impetus out of disputes over vaccine mandates before much more damage to the social fabric is done.

[mitchell2]

I'm seeing this trend too, but I have a hunch that one thing happening in the USA is a combination of increasing herd immunity and use of anticlonal antibodies - both of which are in effect in the USA, but not in the uk; Anticlonal antibodies are starting in the UK, but only for people with know morbidities in the initial stages. Separately, in the UK a far higher proportion of the population has been vaccinated. We are not seeing a 'valley' in infections there - rather a persistent 'shoulder' after the initial peak. I suspect the increased natural immunity and provision of ready made antibodies are giving the USA the edge - time will tell.

A whole other world

[(Anonymous)]

At a recent meetup of Ecosophians I attended, I mentioned a blog I've followed for months as a fascinating (or perhaps jaw-dropping and anger-inducing) contrast to the Covid-19 discussion here, especially in the context of everyone at the meetup being unvaccinated and expressing anxieties over the vaccine push. Thought I'd share it here as well as a usefully different color of lens viewing all events Covid and vaccine-related. The blog's host does excellent weekly rundowns of Covid-19 data, studies, and news that I can recommend parts of, but it's data, studies, and news filtered by someone with a completely different set of priors than anyone here.

https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/09/23/covid-9-23-there-is-a-war/

On Ecosophia, we have commenters exclaiming how they're willing to or have already quit their jobs to avoid the jabs. On this other blog, we have commenters... sticking it to the bureaucratic sluggishness of the FDA by lying to get a booster shot before the FDA approves them.

For me, it's been humbling and useful reading this in tandem with Mark L's blog and other sources to show there's a spectrum of narratives and views people tell themselves and maintain. (Also, if it bears repeating, I'm unvaccinated and planning to remain that way, so don't take sharing this link as supporting everything the other blog host states in his posts.)

Re: A whole other world

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for sharing. Minor correction: not everyone at our last meetup was unvaccinated, although all had concerns.

That blog has too many words...

Skimming the most recent post my overall impression was "I'm sick and tired of all of these restrictions and quarantines and fear and stress and if booster shots can reduce transmission at all then we should all take them so we can get back to normal." I get the sense of someone who is very intelligent but is not thinking entirely rationally, which is common enough these days. But then I probably have my own biases, and it is good to know what "the other side" is thinking. It gives me anxiety just to step briefly into that mindset though.

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

I was coerced into taking the Moderna shot yesterday. It was that or lose my home and possibly my children. I'm quite concerned about what this means for my health long term, please pray for me.

I'm so sorry

[(Anonymous)]

My profoundest condolences. Prayer incoming, and my best wishes with it.

-Derpherder