Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yikes, both myocarditis in the young and pericarditis in the middle-aged are known side effects. In one case series, while the myocarditis was usually mild and resolved quickly (leaving the victims with nothing serious but medical hexing), the pericarditis usually did NOT resolve quickly. It can be a very serious condition. Your wife's friend needs a new allopath, QUICK if she still has the symptoms.

Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/08/15/149854/eliminating-the-human/

This is not directly covid related, but really nails what I've been sensing about tech over the last decade or two. It seems entirely possible that covid is being used, consciously and willfully or not, as a wedge to drive relationships and normal social interactions even further apart. I'm fairly introverted, and even I am having withdrawls with regard to human connection. There are obvious social control implications, but also it's may be a surreptitious way to unwind consumer society as we know it.

Re: Unplugging from media

[(Anonymous)]

In something I'm currently writing, I recommend that book as the ONE to read to understand the impending decline of our civilization. It's a truly excellent and unique book.

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

I am discovering that in this emotionally charged time, I must be very careful in my choice of words because everyone is hyper alert for evidence of judgment or blame.

I'm not really interested in blaming anyone, just in trying to understand what is going on. Which is to say that in no way did I formulate this hypothesis as an excuse to justify blaming vaccinated people for spreading covid.

Mark L

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. If tolerance is occurring I would expect to see increasingly more infections in vaccinated people which would be associated with clotting problems and sudden deaths, but relatively few vaccinated people hospitalized with the classic low oxygen/pneumonia that leads to extended ICU stays on ventilators.

Without adequate testing of vaccinated people to verify infection and to classify deaths accordingly, this could easily be waved away or ignored.

Mark L

Re: Demonic Influences on COVID vaccine divinations.

[kimberlysteele]

Of course as usual I could be wrong, so take the following with many grains of salt. I believe my Ogham divinations have been protected from demonic influence mostly because I have writing folksy tunes for the Orphic Hymns since 2019. My Ogham says the vax narrative will start falling apart in a big way by late October. Though JMG is the real authority on supernatural and I am not, from my meditations, I speculated demons had infiltrated the Left and wrote a series of five blog essays to that effect in the summer of 2020.

I believe I saw the thing that's messing with divinations and whispering into ears in my mind's eye a few weeks ago. It more or less tried to convince me it could get in without an invitation and I told it "no it doesn't work that way" and to shove off. The Orphic Hymns, especially when set to music, are a deep form of prayer. My suggestion is that you use music somehow in your prayer rituals and devote a bit more time than would be expected to worshipping God or gods. For instance, I have long since felt that the music of J.S. Bach is sacred to Apollo and Hermes, so it couldn't hurt to play some J.S. Bach while praying either to Apollo, Hermes, or the Christian God, or get really intense and learn a Bach piece as an "agreement" with one of those gods if they are amenable. My versions of the Orphic Hymns are available at queenhiemusic.bandcamp.com for free download.

Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep I tried to get support opposing mask rules for teenagers and it was really hard to explain to people why I objected as it drew a real blank. To me it seems so obvious without research that it is not only pointless but harmful but it is truly a weird one and people keep voting in favour. :-/

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, me too.

I initially had a "wait and see" attitude towards these vaccines. (I was always against mandates on principal, but in no way against the vaccines on principal, as long as it was voluntary.) But I've long since moved into the firm NO camp. This is one of the reasons.

The other reason is the notable number of cardiovascular problems that seems to be happening to people this year. I keep hearing about heart attacks and strokes among people who did not previously have serious health problems and/or who were not all that old.

We are not getting the whole story, not by a long shot.

[(Anonymous)]

I had a very strange thought a couple days ago: It looks like Betelgeuse started dimming about when the coronavirus crisis got started. Does anyone know if there's any kind of astrological link? Because one real possibility that's occurred to me is that this crisis is the foreshock, so to speak, of something which will hit when Betelgeuse goes supernova. I don't know enough about astrology to know if this makes any kind of sense, but it seems to me given how close Betelgeuse is, that it going supernova would be a much bigger issue that a typical supernova, and likely start when we first started noticing something was odd about the star....

[realmscryer]

My wife has a friend who is leaving her hospital nursing job of 20 years over this issue. She works with cardiac patients. Many have been showing up with problems apparently connected to the vax. Hospital admin orders are to not report vax related issues.

I just can not see how this ends well.

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[escorcher]

Had another thought Mark, and is basically the same point to consider as I posted on last week's discussion. Couldn't the difficulty in protection of the respiratory tract by vaccine induced antibodies(and probably to a lesser extent previous infection - IgA vs IgG) together with the increase of infectiousness associated with Delta explain what we're seeing? Difficulty in protecting respiratory tract discussed here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone else have a weird sense that they'd be better off dying horribly than taking any of the vaccines?

Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. They may be able to SURVIVE these measures (although the rate of child suicide is currently so high that a children's hospital in Colorado has declared a state of emergency), but that's very different from THRIVING. You could likewise point out, for example, that rape victims survive being raped, but that's hardly an excuse for raping women.

The good news is that I'm starting to see more push back against this insanity. Here's a story about some high school students (also in Colorado) who staged a walk-out protest over masks. I have the sense that the tide of general public opinion is slowly starting to change on this issue, and I think it's only a matter of time before people ditch their face-diapers for good. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/09/01/covid-face-mask-students-thunder-ridge-highlands-ranch/

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen people acting tense, but I keep getting overwhelmed with feelings of dread. I've never felt this before. It's the feeling one gets when they know the other shoe is about to drop. Sort of a "Danger Will Robinson" feeling.

I have been doing magic for about a year, and I thought it was something internal. But now that you mention it, perhaps it is something astral.

I live around Lynnwood.

[ilona9]

Not to post... just to say how much I appreciate the time you spend reading/responding to posts. Many thanks!!!

Saturn

[(Anonymous)]

I am almost entirely a novice on astrology but find it fascinating. I was mulling about how this all seems to be a big mistake in action with the vaccines as in a lack of recognition on limitations (as seen in the doubling down on vaccines rather than stepping back and re evaluating) and whole systems and general arrogance in the name of science. Do you think this event may be linked to Saturns transit and the idea of saturn teaching us appropriate limitations.

Re: Russian Flu 1890

[(Anonymous)]

I posted that, and I'm happy the hear that others are looking into the connection. The more I've read the more it's almost uncanny how much it's like our current situation. Well, excepting the whole launch imperfect vaccines in the middle of a pandemic part. I am somewhat surprised and disappointed the mainstream hasn't picked up on the Russian Flu thing yet though. It has all the hallmarks of a good magazine story, but maybe it's just too outside the mainstream narrative to work right now.

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

Regardless of what happens I expect the narrative on almost all sides to be about assigning blame.

Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.

[(Anonymous)]

While I've no love for sending kids to school with masks, I find the argument that keeping kids from school entirely is going to give them long term issues hilarious. People do realize that the modern American "education" system is about 60 years old right? For the VAST majority of human existence education has happened at home. Somehow we managed to have millennia of (presumably) successful culture without producing high rates of sociopaths. The kids are going to be just fine, and those that stay out of school entirely are going to be even better.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe be funny or maybe not. I noticed in my medium sized city that over LD weekend when they sent the cops out to shut down all the parties and unapproved outdoor activity, the roads turned into Mad Max. People were driving nuts. I think there is a lot of pent up frustration, and as a motorcycle rider I try and keep my finger on the emotional pulse of the cager community out of a sense of self preservation.

Re: Potemkin government

[(Anonymous)]

Fascinating.

I took a trip to the USA last month. The requirement at the time (probably still for the nonce) was that anyone boarding an airplane bound for the USA has to have a negative test certificate dated withing 72 hours before the departure time. I got a certificate from a local clinic, but it was just a letter signed by some doctor somewhere. In retrospect, I could have saved some money by just writing my own certificate (signed, Joe Schmoe, MD).

The company I work for also gave me a home test kit to submit before I went back to work after my trip. I filled up the test tube with rainwater. It came back negative.

I have long suspected that one of the main points of all the testing (aside from fanning the flames of fear and inflating case numbers) is to give lots of money to the pharmaco-medical industry.

I'm so glad you're here

[(Anonymous)]

You are absolutely right that firm, adult hand (yours!) is key to keeping this forum so useful.
It's one of the things that keeps me from despair as I inhabit a sea of pro-vax people. and will probably lose my job in a bit over a month for daring to be cautious about turning myself into a genetically modified organism.

Heartfelt thanks.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Australian states fighting over vaccines

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Australia, we're watching our state Premiers fighting over imported vaccines. Almost half have gone to New South Wales, which is the equivalent of California over here - richer and more important than any other state. This was in violation of an agreement to share the vaccines equally per head, and accusations of favouritism by the Federal Government (and jokes about the 'Prime Minister for Sydney') are flying.

From here in Queensland (one of the 'hick' states), it looks like some distance from the imperial capital is a good thing, to stay away from the extremes of elite madness.

The Premier of Victoria has just announced plans for vaccine passports, explicitly saying that a 'vaccine economy' would shut out those who did not have two shots. He was quite popular for his handling of the crisis to date, shame.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/daniel-andrews-vaccine-passport-double-vaccinated/100435606

Are people getting worried about ADE? Interesting article in Jpost -

[(Anonymous)]

"Israeli experts analyze mRNA COVID vaccines long-term effects"

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/israeli-experts-analyze-if-mrna-covid-vaccines-be-dangerous-in-long-term-678171

Summary -

1. Experts think there will be no long-term side effect.

2. Don't worry. Experts think there will be no long-term effect.

3. Still worried? Trust us. These vaccines are really cool. Although we are doing these studies, we already know the results. There will be no side effect.

4. No vaccine ever had any long-term side effect.

5. Just go away. In the long-term you will be dead anyway.

Re: Demonic Influences on COVID vaccine divinations.

[lincoln_lynx]

Any god or goddess associated with divination. (Or the archangel Gabriel.) Preferably from a pantheon you already work with.