Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 203

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

Re: Without truth about the past there will be no future

[(Anonymous)]

Almost any individual death is impossible to pin squarely on the jab. Unexpected deaths happen sometimes.

Far better evidence comes from statistics about total increases in sudden cardiac deaths, unusual cancers, and a panoply of other afflictions afflicting much younger people. That's ugly evidence.

That said, yesterday I had to talk to a plumber. Out of nowhere, he apologized for returning my call late because his daughter (still in her 20's) had just been diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer. It had thrown him for a loop. I hope that anything like this never hits me. But if it did, there's no doubt where I'd look to pin the blame. I never mentioned it to the plumber, but I did take him up on his request to send prayers and positive energy to him and his daughter.

The plain fact is that nobody cares what I think about the jabs. Everybody long ago made up their minds, and short of someone else starting an argument, I've learned to keep my mouth shut among normies.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Re: Without truth about the past there will be no future

[stubborn_ass]

FWIW, when I overhear people I know talking about someone having this or that cancer, and that it was such a shock, I go with my gut feeling in terms of the next steps.

About half the time, I'd feel that the group are still too steeped in the system and will refuse to comprehend that they're being misled about a lot of stuff. In such situations, prudence would indicate that I keep my mouth shut. I don't care that much about social acceptance as long as my own conscience is clear, but I'm fully aware that the system can go after my family if I'm too outspoken in the wrong circles.

The other half? I'd find a way to gently bring up the topic of alternative therapies and how fenben and vim has helped my mom and many other folks I know for cancer. Plus the fact that everyone knows that chemo is toxic.

How toxic? On this forum, we've already discussed that one of the main side effects of chemo is that it'll often trigger other cancers. We've all seen in our social circles and family members... the initial chemo seems to 'work', then a few years later, the relapse is vicious and the end comes quick. We've put years of observing such anec-data and drawn the logical conclusion.

So this was actually an old headline (from 2017): Chemotherapy may spread cancer and trigger more aggressive tumours, warn scientists

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/07/05/chemotherapy-may-spread-cancer-trigger-aggressive-tumours-warn/

It's behind a paywall, but the summary purposely avoids mentioning the actual percentages seen in the dataset or how big the dataset was. My impression is that it's pretty comprehensive, as more innocuous numbers would have been allowed to be cited.

"Chemotherapy could allow cancer to spread, and trigger more aggressive tumours, a new study suggests.
Researchers in the US studied the impact of drugs on patients with breast cancer and found medication increases the chance of cancer cells migrating to other parts of the body, where they are almost always lethal.
...
Many are given chemotherapy before surgery, but the new research suggests that, although it shrinks tumours in the short term, it could trigger the spread of cancer cells around the body."

Personally, I feel that the other party has even a half-open mind, it would behoove me to mention VIM and fenben. We have been given a lot of knowledge, very precious knowledge, and I just feel that there would be karmic consequences if I keep my mouth shut all the time. But my main urge to say something comes from the fact that a lot of unnecessary suffering and long-term side effects can be avoided by using treatments that actually work, and avoiding chemo. If they are not receptive after that, so be it. My conscience would then be clear. Not happy, but it is what it is.

Re: Without truth about the past there will be no future

[(Anonymous)]

I've tried a couple of times. Primarily by sending copies of Paul Marik's FLCCC cancer care summary.

Both were people I'm relatively close to. Neither showed the slightest interest in pursuing anything unconventional.

At such times I realize just how radical my attitude toward conventional medicine has become. And that's thanks to what conventional medicine did during COVID.

*OHC*

Re: Without truth about the past there will be no future

[(Anonymous)]

Stubborn— as you say, "Not happy. But it is what it is."

In the past, before the advent of the Internet, and being much younger, I would have felt an obligation to my conscience to say all sorts of things to other people about their health care choices. In fact I did— and looking back now, sadly, I think I was mistaken about many things. I used to be a gung-ho-do-everything-the-doctor-recommends person. I've since moved about a million miles away from that pasture.

But about the Internet. Now, even with the censorship, it isn't all that hard to lift a finger and do some searches on the Internet and turn up some eyebrow-raising things (maybe on page 3 or 5 or 8 of the search...). Even the most ardent covidians (and by the way adherents to orthodox medicine in general) will have heard of RFK, Jr. and they might just ask, um, what's that all about? Is RFK, Jr. actually a kook with a worm in his brain? Or might there be something more to the story that it might behoove me to know about?

Basically, with the Internet, even with the censorship, it's "open sesame." But if a person doesn't want to ask a few very basic questions and lift a finger to type in a search or three, well, I'm not responsible for wiping their nose, either.

I actually do have a big heart and a lot of compassion. It tears me up to watch people suffer and die. At the same time, I recognize that other people have agency, and just as with their religious beliefs or, for that matter, their dietary choices, or their choices in partners (!!!!!) I might think they're nuts to believe or to eat what they do, and marry such a dopey schlub, but it's not my business. I'm also pretty danged tired to trying to warn people who would just as soon turn on me. They want to take their jabs, they want to take their rounds of chemo no questions asked, they want to eat Twinkies and Poptarts, well, that's their choice.

I might be sad about that, but my feelings don't count when it comes to their rights— just as their feelings don't count when it comes to my rights.

That said, there is a case for banning bioweapons, and there is of course a case for prosecuting those who have perpetrated fraud (misrepresenting the jabs), and prosecuting those who have violated the rights of others (with mandates and censorship)— but that would be another post.

Finally: I know first hand that it takes a lot of fortitude to forego the recommended rounds of chemo. It's not dissimilar to foregoing the covid jabs circa 2021-2023.

Looking back over the past few years of covid times, overall, I think it's made me much tougher and quick on the trigger to stand up for my rights, and at the same time, I have become much more private, and more careful about respecting of other people's privacy as well.