Magic Monday
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The picture? I've been tracing my lineages back as far as I can, and last week took my Martinist lineage back as far as they can be documented. The next step -- and it's the last step in the entire process -- involves a fair bit of speculation, but it's speculation backed up by some evidence. It's been suggested by some historians, Marsha Keith Schuchard foremost among them, that the mysterious Knight of the Red Feather who conferred the Templar lineage on Baron von Hund, last week's honoree, was none other than Charles Stuart, the Bonnie Prince Charlie of Scottish song and story. The claim is that in the years immediately before 1745, when the House of Stuart made its last (and disastrously unsuccessful) attempt to reclaim the British throne, Charles and his inner circle of supporters used various forms of clandestine Freemasonry to raise funds, engage in espionage, and gather arms and supporters for the planned rising. Baron von Hund's initiation was an incident in that process. Martinez de Pasqually, who was honored a couple of weeks back, also claimed to have a charter signed by Charles Stuart as the basis for his occult Masonic order. So it's possible that what lies behind one of the great traditions of Western occultism is a failed political intrigue that got picked up and repurposed by a couple of canny occultists. Stranger things have happened in the history of occultism.
...And with this, the rambling tale of the odd lineages that I've inherited comes to an end. Now I'll have to think of something else to use as illustrations to Magic Mondays!
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Re: Druid Magic Handbook vs Dolmen Arch
Date: 2023-08-28 06:20 pm (UTC)Not JMG, obviously, but as a heathen who is working through the DMH and the DA, I thought I might be able to share some insight "from the inside." Also, synchronistically enough, I was /just/ looking for a thread you posted a while back about a Wodenized three cauldrons working. Unluckily, Ingessunu's three Of Gods and Runes books you referenced there are currently out of print, as that was a thread I was interested in following up, given the use of the three cauldrons in DMH and DA.
Anyhow, the short version is that I have been doing a daily SOP, weekly grove, and 8-times-a-year seasonal ritual following the methods in DMH (and later modifying slightly for DA) for about 2 and a half years now, all while calling on heathen Gods, and it seems to be going swimmingly. I've had a number of meaningful spiritual insights, deepened some of my relationships with the Gods, and have benefited from the discipline of following a system "by the book," rather than my own bespoke (i.e. "cobbled together") program. Doing daily divination with the Ogham, as well as meditating on and scrying the Fews (not /quite/ to pathworking them yet) has been worthwhile and enriching on its own, and I've found occasional parallels/insights with the Runes, some of which have been surprising. The meditation work has also been deep and rewarding, and has taken me in some different directions than a purely heathen focus would likely have done, without invalidating what I'm getting from heathen sources. Working through the Mabinogion while being alive to parallels/influences to/on/from Germanish myth has been especially exciting.
All that being said, the main downside that I have felt is having to set aside, or at least put way less emphasis on, certain heathen-specific work that I am excited to do at some point - things like going deeper on the Runes, meditating through the Poetic Edda, and working out a seasonal ritual calendar more in keeping with heathen traditions. It also means that reading/study that I'm not directly using as meditation fodder gets less time, less attention, and likely fewer and shallower connections to the magical work I'm doing. I'm trying to treat all this as excellent practice in patience, but it can be a bit tough.
Lastly, in case you didn't know, Azoth has put out paperback versions of the two /Dolmen Arch/ volumes which are not cheap, but are waaaay more affordable than the limited edition hardcovers ($37-$40 before tax and shipping from bookshop.org).
Anyhow, if this proves to be a path you walk, I'd love to hear how it goes for you.
Cheers,
Jeff
Re: Natal chart privacy
Date: 2023-08-28 06:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:34 pm (UTC)Re: Practical Sacred Geometry
Date: 2023-08-28 06:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:40 pm (UTC)In terms of donor communications, Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter all the way -- you want peace and prosperity and happy donors. A group intention might help, but you might also encourage any of your initial class who happen to be practitioners to do whatever they know how to do to make the project prosper... ;-)
Re: Seed of Yggdrasill Review Part 2 and Planetary Elemental Influence on Humoral Temperament
Date: 2023-08-28 06:41 pm (UTC)Qs
Date: 2023-08-28 06:48 pm (UTC)They believe that we are trapped by "archons" in the samsara cycle via reincarnation, and these "spirits" feed off our emotions, and therefore want to keep us here. They play up (as actors) the roles of gods etc to feed the narrative delusion etc.
They even believe there is a direct way to not reincarnate after death by using specific gates to exit from lower realms (in this framework, the while light is a trap that keeps the reincarnation cycle going, and you're supposed to find a different gate to exit without being reborn). In this scheme, rebirth is optional and the spiritual tradition is mostly a vehicle to keep us trapped.
Would like to hear your take on these ideas, if (and why) they're wrong, and how they relate to the previous gnostic traditions etc.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:49 pm (UTC)The gods worshiped by Pagan religions include a very, very big grab-bag of entities of many different kinds. It's worth noting that many words used by the old Pagan faiths themselves -- for example, the Latin word numen and the Japanese word kami -- can quite literally apply to any supernatural being that humans revere, from fairly minor spirits to great cosmic powers. The Solar Logos and the Logoi of the twelve rays are among the gods worshiped by the old Pagan faiths, but angels, devas, intelligences, and human souls who have completed their work in incarnation also traditionally received reverence.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:54 pm (UTC)For what it's worth, this is a place where I think traditional Christian and Muslim moral teachings are dead on target. Usury is parasitism, and eventually the society and economy that permit it are bled dry by it.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:55 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 06:55 pm (UTC)Still, with the push towards loan forgiveness by some parties, with many years of zero- or low-rate interest rates, and with the need to move at some point away from constant growth and towards a more steady-state society...maybe the time has come to dust off usury from the list of sins?
Druid Pathworking Questions
Date: 2023-08-28 06:57 pm (UTC)I've been working my through the COGD curriculum and have two questions that I was hoping you could answer for me.
1. In the Bardic pathworkings in CGD, one conducts the summoning ritual of the pentagram for the appropriate element to help establish a connection with that element in its inner grove. In the Druidical grade pathworkings, there is no mention of doing the pentagram rituals in each grove. Is it unnecessary because all of the connections have already been established by the round of Bardic pathworking?
2. In the Bardic pathworkings, the locations of the dolmens correspond to the directions based on the elemental cross; the altar cloths and veils reflect this as well. In the Druidical pathworkings, things are then meant to represent the tree of life, so dolmen locations change. Is it feasible and/or advisable to use the sphere colors rather than the elemental ones for the altar cloths and veils for Druid grade pathworkings?
Many thanks.
Re: Bodily affects
Date: 2023-08-28 06:58 pm (UTC)2) A brief interruption isn't a problem -- just go on with the working. With anything that distracts you thoroughly from the work, though, it's best to start over from the beginning.
3) Fascinating. No, I haven't encountered that before and am not sure what to make of it.
4) I know people who get excellent results from it, but it's not something I can do at all well. Maybe someone else can suggest something.
Re: Puppy vision
Date: 2023-08-28 07:00 pm (UTC)Or should I say, Hi Princess? Thank you for your kind words. Those really terrible things happened nearly 50 years ago and I have done a lot of meditation and cleansing until I can see clearly and no longer suffer the sorrow and rage I once felt.
My sister returned to our Grandmother the night she died and then to my older sister. She was wearing a white wedding gown in both visitations. I pray for her soul. If she had lived, she would only be 69 now so she may well still be waiting in the dull waiting room of souls. If you would like to remember her in a prayer, her name is Kameen Johnson and she was a pretty girl with auburn hair and green eyes.
Much love to you.
Maxine
Re: What's in a name?
Date: 2023-08-28 07:00 pm (UTC)- Psychedelic Crunchy Centipede
Occult history
Date: 2023-08-28 07:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 07:07 pm (UTC)Choosing a system
Date: 2023-08-28 07:09 pm (UTC)I'm having real trouble choosing a system to start studying and practicing.
A few things I need to have clarified I guess:
1. Last week you clarified that the Celtic Golden Dawn is a straight up magical system, and the AODA for example is not strictly magical, but can have magical elements using your Druid Magic Handbook. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each system?
2. I'm now looking into your Golden Section system. How does that differ, besides not being Druidic?
3. Any suggestions for criteria to help me choose a system?
I guess I have extreme decision fatigue. Thanks for your reply in advance, I'm sure you've written about this before but it is hard to find!
Re: Practical Sacred Geometry
Date: 2023-08-28 07:18 pm (UTC)Milkyway
Re: GSF SOP
Date: 2023-08-28 07:28 pm (UTC)Funnily enough, I said almost the exact same thing to somebody else yesterday. I'm fairly sure there's a lesson in there... :D
Thanks a lot for your replies - they cleared up quite a few things!
Milkyway
John Gilbert
Date: 2023-08-28 07:31 pm (UTC)Thanks for sharing all of John Gilbert's work, it is fantastic! For the past few months I have been working my way through all of his various traditions (FHR, UGC, MOE, OSA) since they're all interconnected. So my 3 questions are focused on that:
1) Is there more information or other books on the wheel of life as presented in John Gilbert's Tree of Spirit book. For some reason it make so much more sense to me than the traditional tree of life.
2) Angels! In the FHR there is only a brief mention of Archangels listed by name but no directions or instruction on how or when we work with them. As apart of my FHR reading work I've selected Damien Echols' book on Angels and Archangels. Would it be fine to invoke the archangels in my SoP instead of deity names or is that too much like the LBRP? Is this book compatible with the FHR work?
3) Thank you for uploading the voice recording of John Gilbert's MOE lectures. Will the recording of him giving the apprentice attunement work or do I need to schedule it with a Master Teacher?
Thanks in advance!
Re: Druid Magic Handbook vs Dolmen Arch
Date: 2023-08-28 07:32 pm (UTC)Cealin
(no subject)
Date: 2023-08-28 07:35 pm (UTC)The Charmed Onions would be a heck of a good band name.
—Princess Cutekitten
Re: Druid Magic Handbook vs Dolmen Arch
Date: 2023-08-28 07:39 pm (UTC)Very much influenced by Viktor Rydberg. His 3 vol Teutonic Mythology is easily downloaded and Kindle has A properly formated book of all 3 vols for a couple of dollars
Cealin
Re: Druid Magic Handbook vs Dolmen Arch
Date: 2023-08-28 07:49 pm (UTC)Cealin