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BPCIt's nearly midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ hereAlso: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

The picture?  I've been tracing my lineages back as far as I can, and last week took my Martinist lineage back as far as
they can be documented. The next step -- and it's the last step in the entire process -- involves a fair bit of speculation, but it's speculation backed up by some evidence. It's been suggested by some historians, Marsha Keith Schuchard foremost among them, that the mysterious Knight of the Red Feather who conferred the Templar lineage on Baron von Hund, last week's honoree, was none other than Charles Stuart, the Bonnie Prince Charlie of Scottish song and story. The claim is that in the years immediately before 1745, when the House of Stuart made its last (and disastrously unsuccessful) attempt to reclaim the British throne, Charles and his inner circle of supporters used various forms of clandestine Freemasonry to raise funds, engage in espionage, and gather arms and supporters for the planned rising. Baron von Hund's initiation was an incident in that process. Martinez de Pasqually, who was honored a couple of weeks back, also claimed to have a charter signed by Charles Stuart as the basis for his occult Masonic order. So it's possible that what lies behind one of the great traditions of Western occultism is a failed political intrigue that got picked up and repurposed by a couple of canny occultists. Stranger things have happened in the history of occultism.

...And with this, the rambling tale of the odd lineages that I've inherited comes to an end. Now I'll have to think of something else to use as illustrations to Magic Mondays!

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Date: 2023-08-28 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This one is partially for the commentariat (especially the first question), but I'd love to hear any thoughts you have, too, JMG.

1.) There are some Orthodox Christians around here, right? And Roman Catholics? How do you reconcile your interest in the occult (in reading about it, if not practicing magic) with the general church prohibitions against any involvement in it? Do you confess about it? What responses have you gotten?

2.) This is tangential but separate, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, JMG...I've been thinking a lot about usury. Usury was seen as completely evil and sinful, and heavily forbidden by the church until a few centuries ago. Lots of examples of this in the Bible, and the condemnation of moneylending with interest also appears in Islam (among other religions). However, over the past two centuries, discussion of usury in the West has basically vanished. I would guess that in a random sampling of 100, fewer than 20 would even know how to define the word, and maybe only a few more could describe why it is considered bad. The understanding of usury as evil has really vanished completely from the discourse of our culture, too, to the extent that feels...well, like an enchantment. It's just really VANISHED in a way I find suspiciously like a kind of purposeful magic. Do priests even preach about it? Are bankers and people working in finance expected to confess their role in usury?

Any thoughts on why (and how) the concept disappeared so thoroughly? I find it strange.

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Date: 2023-08-28 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I only do what the Wiccans call “kitchen magic,” the stuff women were doing for thousands of years before the Church took issue with it. I get the impression kitchen magic is taken much less seriously in Catholic countries than in the Protestant U.S. Heavily Protestant America seems to go through cycles of being fascinated with magic alternating with cycles of being really disgruntled about it.

Ceremonial magic like JMG does is a line I’m not willing to cross. I probably wouldn’t be any good at it anyway, since Sonkitten wouldn’t understand—“MOM! What’s this big circle of candles doing in the basement?” Some well-known Christians such as Dion Fortune have felt differently (about ceremonial magic, that is, not about the propensity of kids to interrupt whatever you’re doing with thousands of questions). Historically churches have frowned on it, although these days I would not be surprised if some of the liberal Protestant churches are holding classes in it. 😄

I found JMG through a link. Like the elephant’s child, we kittens are insatiably curious, so here I am!

—Princess Cutekitten

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Dear JMG

Lately I been interested in enochian magic and I'm interested what is your opinion on this branch of magic?

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Date: 2023-08-28 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthculture
A Mirthful Magic Monday to the Merry Mages jMg a-Muse-ed,

0) I’m fond of the quote “as your island of knowledge grows, so does the shore of your ignorance.” I’ve found this to be a correlate for magical practice: whenever I make a leap into an awareness or feeling of greater connection, perception, or power, reliably it follows that I can see new limitations and flaws within myself and often there quickly follows a humbling experience of something that puts my “ability” into perspective. So, as my tree of magic grows, so does the forest of the cosmos.

1) Is there a floor sitting position that is friendly to discursive meditation? Or, would some form of cross legged be ok within CGD, because of the solar energy focus? If not, I will keep on with the chair.

2) Once I do my opening LRP and establish space, is there any protocol for respecting the space established? As a hangover from some neopagan groups I worked with in the past, I’m hesitant to “break the circle,” but perhaps that’s a useful awareness. So, if someone approaches, or there is a reason (rare) that I need to leave the space, should I open it and recluse it somehow, or start over the working when I return?

3a) I occasionally have an experience of feeling swollen while doing ritual work; not normal swollen, but like my body, or parts of it, are hugely larger than my frame with a “taut” feeling to my skin and to the outer edge of my larger, perceived body. Do you or any of the commentariat have experience with this? If so, what is your understanding of it?

3b) I’ve wondered if the body dysmorphia described above is a sense of my astral body, but when I divine on the subject it seems to suggest that it’s actually some sort of function of my mental sheath when influenced by external spiritual force. I’m trying to wrap my head around it… any thoughts?

4) I’ve used muscle testing for a few years now (the leaning from where I fall forward or backward in response to questions.) I’ve been using it lately post mediation and prayer while still in ritual setting, similar to divination, but closer to pendulum work than cards/sticks/runes. In this setting I'm getting much more specific movements than just forward and back, even to the point of being shifted into different postures. Do you believe this is a beneficial way to pursue greater understanding, and is there anything I should be aware of (or wary of) while pursuing it?

Votes for next set of MM images:
-Various elemental symbol systems and their origins.
-Current heads of the various organizations you’ve had a hand in. (I.e. a brief intro, with or without picture, of the leadership of Druidical GD, AODA, Order of Essenses, etc.)
-Temples you’ve studied.
-A brief lineage of Arthurian mythology or authors, or a lineage of Merlin myths or authors

Thank you as always for this space and your thoughts.

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What's in a name?

Date: 2023-08-28 02:58 pm (UTC)
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So I've been commenting on the main blog for some time as "Epileptic Doomer" -- I actually grabbed it as a throwaway to answer a question about seizures and kept it. Before that I was "Dusk Shine" (a my little pony fandom reference I guess I outgrew) and before that (on The Archdruid Report, starting way back in 2011 or so) I used my full real name, Tyler August. (inb4 doxx.)

I suppose my question is, if names have power, did calling myself "Epileptic Doomer" give the disease and my depressive/doomerish tendencies more power over me? I'm thinking maybe it did, but I wonder what the occult tradition has to say about that.

I recall from your numerology posts that you chose to write under John Michael Greer as opposed to J.M. Greer, John Greer, or some other combination because the name number was more auspicious that way. My intuition is that a name with clear meaning can have even stronger influence than that, and is worth choosing with some care. On the other hand, the cosmic oom grants us names with zero care and we're all fine with that here. So. What is in a name?

--Pallid Maniacal Paramecium

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A friend of mine is interested in the Cabala and wants to learn more, but he's being warned against it by people who claim it's cultural appropriation for anyone who isn't Jewish. What resources can I point him towards to show that it's not solely Hebrew in origin, and that at least one other culture (Chinese if I recall correctly) had something very similar to the basic design of the Tree of Life centuries earlier?

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A case of magical manipulation?

Date: 2023-08-28 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG,

I’m curious about what I think could possibly be a case of malign supernatural influence over a person.

Some years ago, a friend of mine worked at a company I’ll call ACo. The CEO of ACo, Annette, hired a consulting company I’ll call ConCo to revamp some elements of ACo’s business. ConCo’s contributions started out small but they were deft self-promoters and they were quickly hired to conduct more and more of ACo’s business operations.

Only problem is, ConCo was completely out of their depth and had no idea what they were doing. They promised to improve the existing processes but in practice what they put into place was completely dysfunctional and caused ACo to fall more and more behind in their tasks.

The strange thing was that Annette became their biggest cheerleader and defended them to the hilt even in the face of these continued failures. She was known before for her shrewdness but became utterly irrational and would hear nothing bad about ConCo. This continued until she retired with ACo reduced to a shadow of its former self, still operating but shrunk by more than half. My friend and many others were fired as a cost-cutting measure in the face of the “improved” business processes and much of the company’s foundational cumulative knowledge is now gone.

I don’t often run to supernatural explanations for day-to-day events but in retrospect Annette’s total loss of reason makes me wonder if ConCo was working some kind of dark magic on her. She gained nothing from letting them run the company into the ground and rather lost standing and status in her business community.

Could they have been bribing her? At one time, Annette purchased a gift for the ConCo CEO’s wife and then profusely apologized when it turned out to be the wrong size or something and replaced it with something more to her liking. This kind of devotion seems to eclipse standard corruption as a motive. They were practically leading her around on a leash. She openly told people working with her that “I drank the Kool-Aid.” There were a few people within ACo who were favored by ConCo but many more were harmed by the association with them, including many of Annette’s most trusted staff so I don’t think she favored them so much because of internal politics.

Does this account resemble any cases you know of magical manipulation of people? You’ve written many times that the use of evil magic tends to cause people to lose the ability to think clearly. Thanks for your time.

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Date: 2023-08-28 05:09 pm (UTC)
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Thank you for this space to ask questions, and for your time.

Less of a question than a note: Reading New Seeds of Contemplation (thanks for the recommendation!) and finding Merton referring to the mask/persona-like nature of our everyday "selves." What strikes me is how similar this language is to Watts's interpretation of Vedanta. Not sure if one influenced the other (it seems like Seeds was published earlier than Watts's work, but who knows) but interesting nonetheless.

While looking into this, came across a title from Watts on polarity, The Two Hands of God. Not one that I'd read before, but wondering if you have?

Axé

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Date: 2023-08-28 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Any mundane astrology thoughts on Trump's federal trial date relating to the January 6 protests? It was just announced as March 4 (one day before Republican Super Tuesday primaries). I have to look at it more closely, but the close Neptune-Moon square jumped out at me (Neptune 26 deg. Pisces, Moon 25 degrees Sagittarius). It suggests the justice-minded will of the people (Moon in Sag) thwarted or mislead by a powerful force masquerading as a victim (Neptune in Pisces). I'll be interested to see what houses the planets fall in. Setting the opening for 9 am in NYC, Neptune is in the 12th and the Moon in the 8th, which gave me a chilled sort of feeling when I saw it.

I feel very sad for our country, which despite our many flaws and failures to live up to its ideals, has been a special place for many centuries. I can't shake the feeling we're going down an ominous path here, a turning point toward a more tyrannical future that may last many decades.

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Remote gifts

Date: 2023-08-28 05:23 pm (UTC)
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Hi JMG,

In my spare time I like to tinker and build, with wood and stone as it turned out. This lends itself well to making talismans. I have already made several pieces inspired by your DMH. I usually use local quarz or some wood laying around in the workshop. I am but up until now all the pieces have been for my personal use and the making was relatively simple. Source, construct, take toothed groove, consecrate and use. But right now I am building my first piece for a dear friend. A general use magic talisman with an inscription, like a dedication, on it. There are right now two questions going trough my mind.

1. the friend is overseas and the item will have to be sent by mail. I was considering blessing and packing it in silk + a small oak box (hand made) all within a standard postal package. Is such packaging viable? And to your knowledge would it encounter any difficulties with customs?

2. a friend has expressed interest of giving her good wishes to the gift. The problem is she lives abroad and contact is difficult. But could we do it remotely. Could I, when it is ready, use the dedication symbol (consisting of a plant and a sign) in my own blessing to ask a goddess to bless the talisman and allow others who want to join in to give their blessing as well. Could she then open her own space, concentrate on the symbol and give her blessing as well?

Best regards,
V

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Date: 2023-08-28 05:27 pm (UTC)
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Dear JMG,

I have a working in mind following the formula from the Druid Magic Handbook. I've meditated on my intention several times and changed the wording because of that. I cast a fortunate divination for the working and plan to proceed today.

My question to you is do I need to do the working only once, or can it be repeated? I would guess the benefit of repeated workings is it sets the intention more firmly in the wider world, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Thank you,
Tim PW

Progressed Chart Astrological Magic

Date: 2023-08-28 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know in the past, you've told people to not pursue astrological talismans for planets that are debilitated in their natal chart. I was wondering if this is specifically advice for the natal chart or should one also avoid astrological magic invoking a planet debilitated in one's progressed chart?

Also, in general, is the natal chart or the progressed chart a more significant force in one's daily life?

Storied Meditations

Date: 2023-08-28 06:05 pm (UTC)
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Hi JMG,

This morning I decided to try a little something different, a visualization technique which I had read about but not done much with, in my meditation. What happened was after waking up this morning I was experimenting with projecting images on a screen with my inner vision.

The bright colors, dynamic scenery and people, and relative ease of seeing all of this was pretty encouraging. So during meditation I began projecting the theme onto the screen. There was little expectation as to what would appear, I just witnessed what was showing up. The quality was lacking in color and light but there were images and objects.

One of these images in particular was a great illustration of the theme! Not directly but certainly symbolically. I then used that image as a way to understand the theme. Up to this point I had found the experience quite a lot of fun.

The next part though really got my attention. I was inspired to, I don't know how to say this but, allow a story to unfold in the image. At which point the image became a scene where things were happening.

As the story unfolded I was able to get a deeper meaning out of the image. While I did ask questions it seemed witnessing the story was all that was needed to gather the meaning.

Feels like a there might be a door or two to go through and explore! Would I be too far off to think there are a few fun possibilities to experiment with here?

Thanks,
Eric

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Date: 2023-08-28 06:17 pm (UTC)
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Dear Mr Greer,

I have two questions for you this week.

1. The planetary tides are usually tracked by the planetary hours of traditional astrology. Is there a similar means or system to track the elemental tides, allowing one to determine which of the four elements prevails at any given moment?

2. The LBRP is used to trace a protective circle around the magician. In this connection, many authors give a word of caution to the magician, saying that they are not to cross the bounds of the circle at the risk of weakening their own belief in its reality. My question is: what is the magician supposed to do at the end of a ritual, as leaving the ritual space will necessarily entail the crossing of the circle?

Thank you as ever for your anwers!

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Do you know what results people get from prayers to Uranus and Neptune? They are powerful planets in my chart, and I'm getting into devotions with the planets, and would therefore like to find out if it's safe to add them to my weekly prayer rotations, along with the rest of the planets; and to see how others have approached this.

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Qs

Date: 2023-08-28 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Greetings everyone!

[profile] jmg, I am seeing some folks on twitter engage in a mystical/occult tradition that's throwing me off. It seems like some type of modern interpretation of gnosticism.

They believe that we are trapped by "archons" in the samsara cycle via reincarnation, and these "spirits" feed off our emotions, and therefore want to keep us here. They play up (as actors) the roles of gods etc to feed the narrative delusion etc.

They even believe there is a direct way to not reincarnate after death by using specific gates to exit from lower realms (in this framework, the while light is a trap that keeps the reincarnation cycle going, and you're supposed to find a different gate to exit without being reborn). In this scheme, rebirth is optional and the spiritual tradition is mostly a vehicle to keep us trapped.

Would like to hear your take on these ideas, if (and why) they're wrong, and how they relate to the previous gnostic traditions etc.

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Druid Pathworking Questions

Date: 2023-08-28 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
JMG,

I've been working my through the COGD curriculum and have two questions that I was hoping you could answer for me.

1. In the Bardic pathworkings in CGD, one conducts the summoning ritual of the pentagram for the appropriate element to help establish a connection with that element in its inner grove. In the Druidical grade pathworkings, there is no mention of doing the pentagram rituals in each grove. Is it unnecessary because all of the connections have already been established by the round of Bardic pathworking?



2. In the Bardic pathworkings, the locations of the dolmens correspond to the directions based on the elemental cross; the altar cloths and veils reflect this as well. In the Druidical pathworkings, things are then meant to represent the tree of life, so dolmen locations change. Is it feasible and/or advisable to use the sphere colors rather than the elemental ones for the altar cloths and veils for Druid grade pathworkings?

Many thanks.

Occult history

Date: 2023-08-28 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As an historian of the occult, how do you adjudge certain occult authors, teachers and movements that were probably or possibly, at least partially, the product of paid government actors? It would be sticky to get into motivations here but are you guided by the principle "by their fruits shall ye know them", or if someone clearly comes across as an insincere actor, do you pass them over in haste in dismissal of any potential occult utility? It is amusing to consider the possibility that projects that were initiated with more material aims in mind caused their handlers some fright upon discovering more than what they had perhaps bargained for (non-materially speaking). It might be why such things were promoted at the beginning of the 20th century and ignored or dismissed at the end?

Choosing a system

Date: 2023-08-28 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG,
I'm having real trouble choosing a system to start studying and practicing.
A few things I need to have clarified I guess:
1. Last week you clarified that the Celtic Golden Dawn is a straight up magical system, and the AODA for example is not strictly magical, but can have magical elements using your Druid Magic Handbook. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each system?
2. I'm now looking into your Golden Section system. How does that differ, besides not being Druidic?
3. Any suggestions for criteria to help me choose a system?

I guess I have extreme decision fatigue. Thanks for your reply in advance, I'm sure you've written about this before but it is hard to find!

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John Gilbert

Date: 2023-08-28 07:31 pm (UTC)
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Hi JMG,

Thanks for sharing all of John Gilbert's work, it is fantastic! For the past few months I have been working my way through all of his various traditions (FHR, UGC, MOE, OSA) since they're all interconnected. So my 3 questions are focused on that:

1) Is there more information or other books on the wheel of life as presented in John Gilbert's Tree of Spirit book. For some reason it make so much more sense to me than the traditional tree of life.

2) Angels! In the FHR there is only a brief mention of Archangels listed by name but no directions or instruction on how or when we work with them. As apart of my FHR reading work I've selected Damien Echols' book on Angels and Archangels. Would it be fine to invoke the archangels in my SoP instead of deity names or is that too much like the LBRP? Is this book compatible with the FHR work?

3) Thank you for uploading the voice recording of John Gilbert's MOE lectures. Will the recording of him giving the apprentice attunement work or do I need to schedule it with a Master Teacher?

Thanks in advance!

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Date: 2023-08-28 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You've said before that it looks like TV takes over people's minds. Do you think there might be a link between this weird effect TV seems to have and the weird fact that so many people are adamant that the Star Trek future is inevitable? It's extraordinarily popular on TV; and prior to the end of the Second World War, there seems to have been a much wider view of possible futures...

Usury

Date: 2023-08-28 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I found a really good explanation of usury: https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/usury-faq-or-money-on-the-pill/


This is helpful since I am working on new banking and lending ideas. The interesting point is that lending with interest is okay if its secured by collateral; it is personal liability lending that is a sin.

This makes sense because this type of lending is predatory even today, and is structurally based on investors/lenders finding people or business opportunities with poor credit quality, and lending to them while destroying their lives if they aren't able to pay.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-08-28 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello Mr. Greer,

What's the difference between intuition and clairvoyance?

Thank you for this forum, by the way!

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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2023-08-28 11:19 pm (UTC) - Expand

Next year's solar eclipses

Date: 2023-08-28 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
JMG, et al. - I've been looking forward to observing next year's April total solar eclipse which will pass over the Midwest and Northeast US, but I'm starting to wonder if we should be rather concerned about an eclipse passing over the US during what is sure to be a politically and judicially contentious year. I also see there's a second solar eclipse passing over the Southwest in October. Thinking about all the crazy stuff that happened in the years following the August 2017 eclipse makes me worried for the future. I know it's a good ways off still, but has anyone looked into what we can expect?

Bestiary

Date: 2023-08-28 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG,

It would immensely be fun to see pictures of and small blurbs describing cryptids, those wonderful crossover animals from beastiaries, or Egyptian equivalents like the sphinx in the magic Mondays...

Bardon

Date: 2023-08-28 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Awhile ago I came across a comment you made about the three general groups of Western magical traditions. You mentioned that Franz Bardon had an exceptional magic system, will you describe why in more detail?
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