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Date: 2021-12-13 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
I've been meditating on Santa Muerte since last week's MM. The anonymous poster raised a question that I've been reflecting on, and that is Santa Muerte's willingness to grant any request. This is certainly the case, at least from what I've gathered from other followers of her. The reason given is usually something like "death embraces everyone" and so she's a being that accepts and works with the full spectrum of humanity (and the assorted needs thereof). That makes sense to me, but I'd welcome any insights into this aspect of her. I also welcome any insight from the commentariat.

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Date: 2021-12-13 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
Since we're over halfway through MM, I suppose I'll post a few additional thoughts of my own. While the anonymous poster's comment last week originally was slightly disconcerting for me, the more that I've thought it through, the more trivial it actually seems. Santa Muerte works with most anyone, for reasons and goals that run the spectrum of good and bad. That seemed a little off-putting at first, but then I consider Scriptures like Matthew 5:45, where Jesus tells his followers that God sends the sun and the rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. Or the simple fact that when warring Christian nations fought in centuries past, they all prayed to the same God for success. Or what they thought was the same God, at any rate. Death is a more ambivalent and yet all encompassing force, so it seems natural that a Goddess of death could be approached for many different kinds of requests. It doesn't seem all that strange that Santa Muerte will protect a cartel leader and a simple Mexican shopkeeper at the same time.

Does that sound nonsensical to you, JMG?

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Date: 2021-12-13 08:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
Isn't also Hermes the god of thieves?

I also note that in India the are whole sects to gods that under human morals would be considered The Devil.

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Date: 2021-12-13 08:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
Exactly! That single point took me a while to process when you pointed it out to me a while ago but it makes sense. Why should we consider that humans are the only concern of the gods? And even if so, why would that mean that malefic aspects of humanity are not necessary for balance?


For what is worth, La Santa Muerte statues are sold in super markets here in Mexico. Not only street gangs worship her as mentioned. It's notable that it's only our version of PMCs that are afraid of her. Wonder why...
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Date: 2021-12-13 10:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
She even embraces Jesus the flesh, there are statues of her holding him down from the cross. In Mexico we put altars to Santa Muerte but it needs to be balanced with the Virgin of Guadalupe and the Holy Trinity.
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Date: 2021-12-13 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
That's good to know, because I've lately experienced an intense desire to build an altar to the Virgin of Guadalupe and develop a devotion to her. But balance...that seems to be the key that I was forgetting. Thank you!

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Date: 2021-12-14 12:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
La Virgencita is truly fantastic and the painting of her that was allegedly imprinted in Juan Diego's clothes with a bunch of roses when she appeared to him at Tepeyac Hill is very powerfully charged. She is the one that removed the fear of God The Father from my conception.

You might be interested to know that yesterday December 12th was her day.

Regarding Santa Muerte, keep this in mind. There is a wide spread belief that she asks big and cruel things in return for her miracles fueled by the idea of deals with demons, this is not true. The thing is that many people approach her, receive something from her and when things get better they turn her back on her and then things go bad. It's like this I've heard, people go on a boat trip with the wind in their favor because of her, then take the wind away by forgetting about her and wonder why it went wrong and blame it on her and say that was her payback. So if you ask her something and offer something in return be sure you want and can fulfill your part, she doesn't hesitate to take gifts back in scenarios like that and become silent afterwards. She is not evil, she just won't have any of it but sincere devotion and honesty, but again, balance, devotion doesn't mean intense repentance and flattery, just respect.

Remember that virtues are the midpoint between two vices, not each others' opposite.
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Date: 2021-12-14 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
This is very helpful, thank you. It also matches what I've learned from my own limited experience with her. She's very generous but requires regular devotion in return.

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Date: 2021-12-14 12:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is entirely my own unverified gnosis, and my only source of authority is that I have been praying to Santisima for years, so take it with a complete grain of salt.

I feel that she truly, genuinely, and deeply loves (in the most holy sense) what it means to be human, and has a profoundly vested interest in the human experience. This encompasses everything from dancing and laughter to black rage to wailing grief. She is also strongly associated with oppressed populations (in particular LGB, women, and the very poor), and sometimes the only recourse of those without material power is what we might call black magic.

If we also take a look at non-Christian, pre-Christian, or non-Western belief systems, most have beings that humans gladly worship that are outside the binary of "good and evil". Some examples are Baron Cimitiere of Vodoun, Odin who delights in human sacrifice, savage and animalistic Ares of the battlefield, Kali Ma and her still existing animal sacrifice and blood drinking, or Pomba Jira of Afro-Brazilian traditions, etc, etc, etc.

Santa Muerte is downright tame compared to some other beings we've managed to make friends with!

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Date: 2021-12-14 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
Exactly!! You said it so much better, thank you. I also think she came to us as a way to do away with the overly, mmm, I don't know how to call it, fluffy aspects perhaps, of Catholicism by also showing that there is nothing to fear out of less pleasant aspects of life. That aspect of goody-goody from debased Christianity makes people repress many, many things and repression causes neurosis and even cancer if taken to the extreme of hating oneself.

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Date: 2021-12-14 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brenainn
Thank you, I really appreciate hearing from a longtime devotee. My own thinking is that Death is intimately involved in the world of the living. It is present all around us and possibly omnipresent, since everything eventually decays and falls apart. This gives Death, and its various personifications/manifestations, a unique perspective on human life and all the aspects of what it means to be a human being. Death can appreciate life, especially human life, in ways that the living often overlook and forget about. I think that make Santa Muerte a very understanding and loving being, so your UPG sounds very accurate to me.

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Date: 2021-12-14 02:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Honestly, one of the better things to do there might be to ask Mary Theotokos(/Guanyin/Kannon - still not entirely sure whether the Virgin of Guadalupe is yet another aspect or backed by a different divine archetype, but honestly even in the latter case it might be worth asking her, too) for her opinion on the subject.

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