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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2022-11-01 11:47 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

the reason whyAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

More ‘turning worms”

[identity profile] https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen 2022-11-03 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Another semi-famous “died suddenly” of a cardiac issue:
https://resistthemainstream.org/cause-of-death-revealed-after-colorado-republican-died-unexpectedly/

That site’s not one I’ve heard of, and seems rather “fringe”, but the thing I noticed was the volume and unanimity of comments saying in effect “Here’s another waxx injury.” Turning worms indeed; the natives are restless…

Same sort of ratio of responses in this somewhat more mainstream article (NY Post): https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/colorado-gop-official-hugh-mckean-dead-at-55/

Definite signs of torches and pitchforks. Does this advance the agenda of the hypothesized demons?

Looking at hashtag “Died Suddenly” on Twitter brings up an avalanche of postings. Gack. I see there’s even a “Died Suddenly” documentary scheduled for streaming release in late November. The trailer for that is really disturbing; strong stomachs and strong wills are needed to view it. Said documentary may be complete garbage, or a mix of real and garbage, or mostly real. The issue I see is that if you’re drawn to it, blind rage is the likely result. Not good; not good at all! 🙁

Way Way Worse Than I Thought

[personal profile] fredsmith11 2022-11-03 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I posted earlier about Mike Adam's interview with Attorney Todd Callender about the GMO/gene altering/body ownership aspects of the jab before I'd listened to the whole podcast. Having gone through the whole thing now it's totally mind blowing and answers the question of why they were so desperate to jab everyone.

Todd is the antithesis of a conspiracy theorist. Talks logically, sounds like the lawyer he is and is actively involved in various lawsuits about the jabs, especially helping military people against the DoD's mandates.

Todd comes into the podcast at around 44:30. It's worth listening to Mike's Intro from about 42:00 on.

There's more important stuff starting at the 1 hour mark. Listen for yourself and decide.

Reflecting on JMG's demon hypothesis, Todd says at 1:21:45:
"We really are in the final spiritual battle. The purpose of this enterprise is to genetically modify every plant and animal species for the purpose of spiting God. That's a stated goal.

This is a spiritual battle, build your relationship with God. This is about souls and who gets them in the end days."

Some good news comes at around 1:24:00 where Todd outlines how 'their plan' isn't working and Mike talks about 'antidotes' to the jabs. Various geopolitical events are tied into the story.

https://www.brighteon.com/d5878287-4648-4ec1-9686-dd0bd5c5011c

https://rumble.com/v1qx8pc-situation-update-nov-1-2022-the-transhumanism-demonic-ai-takeover-of-humani.html

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I've had the sense that the gene-therapy shots damage the heart because they are trying to change who you are. Of course the heart is a top candidate to being resistant or physically non-compliant with that.

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the 'other side'

(Anonymous) 2022-11-03 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
To get an idea of how the 'other side' view things I had a look at Michael M Hughes' twitter. He has just had his covid booster. We really do live in different worlds.

He and his followers are very concerned about the 'far right' ie, anyone who doesn't agree with them. These are the people they deem 'fashy'. Examples from his followers below:

"In the uk the yoga/essential oils/wellness community targeted since at least 2016. Guru blog newsletters, FB, WhatsApp, etc. Saw it deteriorate into crazy, little by little.

Yup I know a few people who we're into that and crystals, tarot, etc. Then they went down the antivaxx rabbit hole over the past couple years, and now they refer to themselves as "pure bloods" and generally reactionary now. It was really disturbing to see that transformation tbh.

All fantasyland thinking must be regulated to fiction section… time to defend and demand reality! A fictional view of the world has hurt humanity long enough.

It’s hard to tell if people are just like, denying what’s in front of them as a political play or if they are really that stupid

Anecdotally…almost every friend/acquaintance of mine who had a homebirth or was crunchy got increasingly antivax/anti medicine/fascist and got really into homeschooling and homesteading. Honestly kind of pushed me far in the other direction lol

Can't even begin to express how disappointing it's been to watch (now mostly former) friends go down the health/lifestyle → conspiracy monger/arch Trump supporter pipeline.

Yall realize that covid causes drain bamage, right? Call it a large contributing factor, perhaps.

I watched a friend go down the anti-vax rabbit hole. The holistic healing to InfoWars/MAGA/Q pipeline is more of a greased fireman's pole than a slippery slope.

And a big part of this mindset is that being part of this ‘movement’ gives them a sense of importance, like once again they are the ones with the ‘special knowledge’. So the underlying mechanic at work is tickling egos.

All the woo-woo's in my neighborhood are anti-vax, no masks, essential oils cure everything, and the schools are teaching CRT and grooming our children.

conservatives are legitimately retarded and should be treated as such

The willingness to believe fantastical things was already there in a certain subset of crunchy new agey people."

Not like these smart people who think the jabs are safe and effective of course. I didn't know essential oils turned you into a fascist but you learn something new every day. I dread to think what cell salts would do?!

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Sweden

[personal profile] boccaccio 2022-11-03 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Sweden stops with Novovax for under 30 due to myocarditis and pericarditis. Seems to indicate it's not an auto-immune reaction, but spike itself (in line with the study about an autopsy that showed spike in heart tissue)
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2022/november/vaccinationer-med-nuvaxovid-pausas-for-personer-30-ar-och-yngre/

Re: Sweden

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Yes I tend to agree with the hypothesis that it is the spike protein that is toxic and it is toxic in whatever form. However, the jabs seems to be more concentrated than the actual disease and, perhaps, the mrna (which actually instructs your cells to make it) is the most concentrated. It seems a spectrum to me.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-03 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This is from Hughes himself:

"Look around you. QAnon and anti-vaccination conspiracies have deep roots. The essential oil-shilling yoga mom in your kid's playgroup and your "politics suck!" punk rock high school buddy are only one Facebook post away from this madness—if they're not already infected."

It's just incredible to me how doggedly the BlueAnon types are sticking to the narrative even when many in the mainstream are admitting they got it wrong. Or just deleting their previous spiel and pretending they didn't say any of it or calling for 'amnesties'.

hmmm the fallout from this could be truly insane.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-03 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a feeling they will just keep entrenching, it’s already well past absurd.

These are people who get their news from approved sources. So do many people around them. Maybe the changes of twitter will make a difference, but I imagine a few articles about how twitter is now a hellhole may drive people to other comfortable places or maybe a new openly censored social network, a place where you can share and bask in the acceptence of sharing opinions with the rest.

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Judson exercise

[personal profile] milkyway1 2022-11-03 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I know this might seem unrelated, but it isn‘t…

JMG, you will have my eternal gratitude for posting the Judson exercise. With all that‘s in the air right now… it started out subtle, but has truly amazing effects. Thanks!!!

Milkyway

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-03 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
If the election doesn't go their way, every Democrat run place is going to go back to vaccine mandates, masks, and other crazy making rules, I fear.

If they do that, I want a national divorce. I can't live like this never being able to make plans, or travel freely, or just freaking live my life.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
dear anonymous,
even if the election does NOT go their way this time, it seems that this will be a forever undermining thing, and now that we have a new acceptance for where we are NOW, this can become normal.

THAT's why it's PARALLEL SYSTEM time for me or BUST.

BUT i'm reading Camille Paglia's "Sexual Personae" and funny thing is, the women the "white women" are actively undermining their own power. they already were, according to Camille in 1990 or '91... but now?

i'm gonna write on THIS later.
still ruminating...

erika

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
JMG,

Any update on the Angry God and/or Demon Hypotheses?

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
I find it very bad that 65th week into these waxxine thread and we don't know yet what are the differences between Sputnik the Chinese ones, the Iranian one and all the Western brands.


So much for "science"

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"We" don't know, but I'm sure somebody does. That info is above my paygrade, and compartmentalized anyway.

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[personal profile] mr_nobody1967 2022-11-04 09:43 am (UTC)(link)
Charles Eisenstein has done a pretty decent job of trying to be a voice of reason throughout the Covid Crazyness, so I present his response to Emily Oster's call for amnesty, which can be best summed up as "no amnesty without accountability".

(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Or how about 'No amnesty without Little Big Horn...' Well, okay, maybe not.....

to MURMURATION...

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
MURMURATION!

i did not mean to be california mordor shallow in saying you CAN "fix" this with your friend and make it "better."

i wouldn't have written this to just anyone:

IF ANYONE COULD CRAM DECADES OF LOVE AND LIVING AND INTENSITY INTO MERE SECONDS, IT IS YOU!

i'm calling you out simply because i know if you see ME, you see YOURSELF. it sounds california smarmy woo woo but you know it's shorthand for IT'S TRUE. because it's my job not to wake up the dead zombie asexual normies but YOU.

focus it on whoever's open in need or paying attention. like the kids if not anyone else. you never know what people see and take from what you do.

like the ancient Quaker lady protesting quietly in the LOUDEST way ever to ME, who comes from loud screamy chaos.

just pull the zip tie and hope for the best but be in the moment not self conscious. remind your friend your friend's family whoever...

you're up. this is YOU.

we're all gonna die anyhow. you could cram lifetimes in the moments you give, Murmuration.

don't believe ME; see how this feels inside YOU. are you energized... at least initially? or do you talk yourself down into flat soup? listen to the first... tickle...

they've taught us to KILL that and stay passive bored enervated uninspired despairing cynical suicidal.

x

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Erika,

Nothing you say is EVER shallow, and even it if seems that way, I pause and reflect and re-read because...IT ISN'T, and I must be reading it wrong. Don't worry about sounding california smarmy woo woo. It goes great with a nice glass of cabernet, maybe some organic avocado and arugula on toast, a bit of sunset at the beach. People who tease california just haven't passed through the gloss to get to the meat. The woo woo has it's place, and woo woo from california is the best. Is that a 2008 or 2009 Woo Woo? Check the cork. Oh, that was a good year!

He and I had a long talk the other day, mutually expressed gratitude for our long friendship, all the dumb and dangerous stuff we got up to as kids, and still being here for each other after so many years. Talked kids and life, and all the stuff.

Erika, I appreciate you, and your insights into life, and learning to revel in the messy bits. That last part is hard for me. Thanks for being the Bodhisattva on this.

Murmuration

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Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[personal profile] boccaccio 2022-11-04 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't remember this study being discussed here before (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.05.22277189v1). The title says it all:"Class switch towards non-inflammatory IgG isotypes after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" It seems that after multiple vaxxes the body starts to make a different class of antibodies. This different class is non-inflammatory. To me this looks like confirmation of Mark L's tolerance hypothesis (perhaps you want to comment Mark?).

I'm also still mulling over the autopsy study from 2 weeks ago. The deceased had spike in the endothelian cells in the capillaries. This was found before by prof Arne Burkhardt who came out with his results last March (https://swprs.org/covid-vaccine-injuries-the-german-pathologists-findings/). He found spike in the capillaries at multiple organs in people who died suddenly, often months after the last vax. Nobody knows if they were an unlucky group or that all vaxxinees have spike in their endothelian cells. Nor how long spike will stay there. I'm also not aware of any serious follw-up on his reseach even if the results scream for it.
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Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

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I recall reading a few weeks ago that a major cause of harmful effects may have been that with all the panic and rush people who were not properly trained in administering shots were resulting in bloodstream exposure.

This seems to me a big factor in the extremely wide range of effects people experience. Along with batch numbers and I’m sure a whole slew of other factors.

It seems that once you have a systemic exposure it is anyones guess where or what accumulation occurs.

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Some covid memes

https://twitter.com/Eljay2602/status/1588435687300550657/photo/1
https://twitter.com/aidandemolli/status/1588333112819388418/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Taiana_Ryan/status/1588335773522214914/photo/1
https://twitter.com/WarmWoobieLove/status/1588332252379086848
https://twitter.com/DrNoMask/status/1588566524134326272/photo/1
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1588519734538297345

And just for fun - if JMG was a cat

https://twitter.com/kimah/status/1588335047328735232/photo/1

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In reply to the first meme: Hey it could have been SO MUCH WORSE. :-) :-) :-)

Life Insurance Carnage

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Life Insurance Carnage
Lincoln's Shares Dropped 33% on a Net Loss of $2.6 Billion. Could it be the Jabs?

https://sukwan.substack.com/p/life-insurance-carnage

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Well, they're not wanting the amnesty for nothing.

Just how bad must things be getting? All of those non-covid excess deaths must be making a lot of people nervous.

The silence about it in the MSM is deafening.

The Ninth Mouse

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a 'friend' who doesn't give up.
Several aggressive 'signals' i.e. social media photos showing 'allegiance' to 'them'
and outright arguments with me in the past, once even storming off,
and yet the invitations to socialize continue.
I feel it's toxic, even emotionally sick, to continue this and am going to take a firm line.

I just declined an engagement from my previous social-cultural milieu where I was a medium-sized fish
in a small pond - now, by my choice to ghost the 'mandate quislings' i.e. fellow fish, I am no fish
in no pond. So it goes.

Quite right

(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
There’s a social circle I could rejoin if I lied about being (un)vaccinated. Since they are practicing a form of discrimination and apartheid, I would have no objection to deceiving them; in my view, they have forfeited what would otherwise be a reasonable expectation of honesty on this account. But I don’t want to hang out with a bunch of vaccine apartheid practitioners. I’m boycotting them, and it’s probably permanent.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-04 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-funeral-business-is-booming-and/

"We put the pfun in pfunerals"

(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
The comments are a hoot. Almost as good as the crazies on ZeroHedge.

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Thursday’s Testimony at the Truckers Commission

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Another week of testimony finishes at the Public Order Emergency Commission Inquiry. And what a week it’s been! This has been the week that the voice of the truckers and their supporters was heard. I would like to share a few “gems” with those who are interested.

Three key convoy organizers testified on Thursday: BJ Dichter, Steven Bauder and Tamara Lich (in that order). Each is a unique character who deserves a sketch.

BJ Dichter: the less I mention this man the better. I considered him to be a ‘fed’ right from Day 1 and am still convinced that he is. As the convoy’s ‘spokesperson’ and ‘PR guy’ he was churning out ‘disinformation’ a mile a minute during the protest, yet he was never arrested, never charged, and slipped out of Ottawa unscathed after the crackdown. A trained diamond sorter born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he pretends to be a trucker (technically, he has owned a truck for a couple of years). The guy talked and talked and talked – mostly about himself – and threw everybody involved in the convoy, except himself, under the bus. Oh yeah, and he’s writing a book about ‘the convoy’. I think his name should be ‘Judas’.

James Bauder: if anybody could be the polar opposite of BJ Dichter, it is this man. Hardly anybody knows about him, even though the Freedom Convoy originated from him. How can this possibly be? The reason is simple: Bauder is a mystic… he has only one foot in ‘this world’ at the best of times. His story has never been previously told. Of course, the mainstream media will inevitably dismiss him as a lunatic; the alternative media (e.g., Rebel News) have already dismissed him as an embarrassment. He testified to the commission, without legal representation, and opened his heart out without any fear or even self-awareness much of the time. This is a man who clearly had a profound personal experience of the divine in recent years. He swears that God told him to do the convoy. It was Bauder who contacted Pat King, James Barber and others to get the convoy ‘rolling’. He cried several times during testimony and especially when asked to describe his impression about the convoy’s impact: he was in ecstasy when talking about how the convoy caught on to be a worldwide phenomenon. Bauder was the also the author of the draft Memorandum of Understanding that he wanted to present to the federal government in an attempt to bridge the gap between the isolated rulers and their ignored subjects (of course, the media portrayed it as a manifesto of insurrection). Even though this MOU idea was daft, I have a funny feeling that it will in some way come to being: if Canada is ever to be a functional democracy again important structural reforms will need to be made (which is now the work of the Canadian Citizens Coalition). In a previous report I mentioned the ‘Divine Hand’ behind the convoy: now I’ve seen that Hand!

Tamara Lich: this diminutive, kind-to-a-fault Métis woman was the person behind the GoFundMe campaign for the Freedom Convoy that accumulated $8 million in little more than a week and then GiveSendGo for more than $10 million in a matter of days after the former was shut down. Tamara explained that when she set up the GoFundMe she figured that it might garner $10,000 or at most $20,000 (you know, like every other convoy fundraiser in Canadian history) and could not believe it when it was growing by $1 million per day. She said it was ‘never about the money’ but a way for people who believed in the cause to find a way to participate in it. Quite a lot of tears were shed during Tamara’s testimony: describing how her aged grandmother lived in utter solitude for two years; how her gregarious father was refused service in his small town ‘watering hole’ because of his health status; how she could not bear how her prime minister called her a racist and a misogynist; and how so many people she met as she crossed the country melted in tears telling her that until the convoy showed up they were seriously contemplating suicide (and woeful tales of friends and family who had already committed suicide).

The most interesting thing I found about Thursday’s marathon of testimony was the behaviour of the Commissioner (judge) Rouleau. In particular, when the ‘oddball’ James Bauder was trying to give testimony as best he could, Rouleau was kind and patient and encouraging without being patronizing. It really appeared that this commissioner – who many have accused of being a ‘Liberal stooge’ – is actually taking interest in the testimony of these “deplorables”.

I will provide my description of Friday’s events at the Commission via a separate ‘report’: this one is already too long. Freedom! Liberté!

Ron M

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Thank you Ron. This report is illuminating on several levels. I remember now, odd how one forgets, about the quite (quite!) dubious status of 'BJ' Dichter.

I didn't know about the mystic status of Steven Bader and intend to look up his testimony. Amazing too how Tamara Lich thought small amounts of money would arrive and then the avalanche poured in. Simply stunning. And how those #*#+#*!!! worked to undo it!

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Dark humour to lighten your day

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Another story of hubris, nemesis and richly deserved karma served up with a garnish of schadenfreude.

Julie Powell, a food writer wished death on the unjabbed and you can guess how that ended up. The guy narrating the video has a good line in dark, sarcastic humour.

https://youtu.be/JtlemeaGj6E
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I'm not going to watch it because it sounds like someone is just being cruel. Did the woman die? That doesn't sound all that humorous - why make the same mistake they did and cheer for it?

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The guy who won the Brazilian election - and I feel like I should put scare quotes around won - just announced that for parents to receive their welfare payments for children and to attend school, the kids have to be vaccinated against covid. And Lula is going to be featured at the next WEF meeting.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"The guy who won the Brazilian election - and I feel like I should put scare quotes around won - just announced that for parents to receive their welfare payments for children and to attend school, the kids have to be vaccinated against covid. And Lula is going to be featured at the next WEF meeting."

Do you have a source for these statements?

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[personal profile] tritumi 2022-11-05 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to apologize for this late reply. The structure of the forum does not encourage one to return to page one to review previous comments when the current page is three. By chance I looked again at page one.

There are two direct questions to me in response to my initial post regarding Oster and forgiveness.

"I'd like to see tritumi say what he has in mind. First, he seems to think Oster would be punishable just for pro-mandate speech. Second, to say that "devot[ing] her life and personal resources to contrition" and ratting out others is what would justify "parole" implies an even worse "punishment" if she fails to adequately abase herself and denounce others a la the Cultural Revolution. It was an inflammatory suggestion, envisioning a future legal regime that has nothing whatsoever in common with the United States having our present Constitution, and he ought to step up and explicitly say just what he hopes to see happen and how many millions of people might be swept up in it."

Allow me to "step up" as requested.

First, I would like to see a direct question from an actual person or at least some sort of regularly named poster other than an ubiquitous Anon, but that is perhaps trivial as an objection.

Second, this translation of my phrase "gives clear and complete witness to the facts of who has advised and supported her in her views decisions and activities,” as “ratting out others” or "must name other witches to avoid the stake” (as a subsequent Anon histrionically ups the ante), suggests a disregard for basic forensics. If you want to know who is responsible for running operatives, you have to establish the hierarchy of command. Perhaps you do not wish to know the parties exercising malign power in these various media and institutions. I do.

Third, the notion that Oster and her cohorts should not be immune to the consequences of her own investing her influence in calling for official state sanction to harm those standing for science and bodily autonomy is hardly to envision some unConstitutional regime. But perhaps the notion of a class action suit raised by all who have endured the onslaught of Oster and her influencer cadres is simply unwelcome by those who might wish to protect that class of neer do wells.

Fourth, this current exercise in mass media gaslighting is a clear effort to reframe the harms committed by Oster and cohort in the effort to renew harm which the state must of necessity take to a higher level of falsity to satisfy her.

Lastly, as to the accounting requested by the Anon, I suggest this be the weight in the scales which they need to balance. One in twenty seven of all jabbed will have myocarditis according to peer reviewed studies. I take that to be about 8 million. Further, an additional number, let’s say half of cardiac victims, will suffer other direct vaccine damage of all sorts as are amply documented. Further, an as yet unknowable number will endure damage as a consequence of compromised immune systems with latent ailments or as a consequence to environmental, climactic, or epimediologic exposures. How to calculate the harm to the reproductive health of an unknown but substantial percentage of women as a crime against the future? How to calculate the immediate loss of life, the near and mid term loss of life, and the longer term reduction in life spans in years and quality of life?

In the wake of the some civil disasters, such as the Rwandan genocide or the South African regime change, truth and reconciliation commissions were established to ensure documentation and assessing responsibility. Justice requires the scales be balanced.

So where does Anon wish to find justice, or perhaps these inquiring Anons do not wish to find justice at all.
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Hello Tritumi, this is not a comment on the topic under discussion, but I just want to point out that after the first day of these posts, I tend to keep comments open in "flat" view, in order to track everything new that comes in, and whenever something looks like part of a previous conversation that interests me, or that I am curious about, I click "parent" under the specific post, in order to open up the conversation and see how it flows. I have found these to be useful tools.

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Friday’s Testimony at the Truckers Commission

(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I would like to share a few “gems” that caught my attention during Friday’s testimony of Freedom Convoy protesters at the Public Order Emergency Commission Inquiry with those who are interested. Like Thursday, three people testified.

Jeremy MacKenzie: appearing by video link from jail, a suit-wearing, bare-faced (shorn of his magnificent red beard) Mr. MacKenzie defended himself against accusations of being a militant extremist by explaining his humorous fictitious country of ‘Diagalon’. The audience erupted into laughter when under examination by the oh-so-serious commission lawyer regarding Diagolon, Jeremy explained that the country’s vice-president is a heroin-addicted time travelling goat! Jeremy also provided testimony about how he has actually informed the police about groups who – to his highly-trained military mind – have the hallmarks of being violent extremists. Let us hope that the utter absurdity of the federal government’s claim that it invoked the Emergencies Act in self-defence against Diagolon sinks in…

Danny Bulford: a sniper on Prime Menace Trudeau’s protective detail until he quit in protest in late 2021 (due to the fox mandate) and seriously considered emigrating for a while afterwards, Bulford was instrumental during the protest in calming down the protesters who were freaking out at the sight of snipers on rooftops, served as liaison between the protesters and the various police forces, and reported potential crimes against protesters to the city police. He caused cross-examination questions about ‘security’ for key convoy figures to backfire by stating that it was necessary due to numerous death threats that had been hurled at them (in contrast, there is no evidence of any protester issuing a death threat to anybody). The only noteworthy incident was the exchange between Danny and Ottawa business lawyer Paul (“but Mr. Commissioner, it’s not FAIR” [pouting and stomping foot indignantly]) Champ regarding confederate flags. Champ, aka Chump, needled Bulford on incidents of “violence” by protesters against the residents and media (“I did not see anything of the sort, sir”) and talked about confederate flags and their association with racism. When Danny stated that the only time that he saw any such flag was a video of a balaclava-wearing agent provocateur being ‘outed’ by protesters and escorted away from the crowd, Chump asked speculative questions about truckers and racism (Danny did not take the bait) and finally said to Danny, “so, all the protesters like Chris Barber left their confederate flags at home”. The audience immediately ‘boood’ him in response, after which time Chump silently slithered off-stage. Low blow. All in all, Danny was like a great rock in a storm-tossed sea – utterly unmoved by it all. He refused to throw anyone under the bus; refused to back down from any of his words; continually maintained freedom and love of his country; and was fearless. Nobody can defeat him. Oh – and during Danny’s cross-examination, convoy lawyer Brendan Miller dropped another “Easter egg” about how Global News ran a defamatory article about the convoy when it was en route to Ottawa using exactly the same talking points that the federal ‘communications wonks’ had made the previous day (in Brendan’s “Easter egg” at the start of this week).

Chris Deering: the tragic testimony of this young man touched everyone who is endowed with a soul to their very core. A veteran who was the sole survivor of a roadside bomb in Afghanistan (all three of his comrades were killed), Chris was virtually pieced back together by surgeons and now suffers from lifelong chronic pain and brain damage (often he would request the lawyers grilling him to repeat the question multiple times, and often stopped his testimony in mid-sentence saying “I’m sorry, I’ve lost my train of thought”). Chris was on the front lines during the police crackdown on February 19, where he was violently assaulted by police and transported out into the middle of nowhere, frozen, injured, in excruciating pain, and with a dead cell phone. There was video of the police assault on Chris. The lawyer for the Ottawa police fought tooth-and-nail to prevent the video from being shown but Commissioner Rouleau allowed it (although, strangely enough, there was a ‘technical glitch’ so that there was only audio for those of us who were not in physical attendance… “foul!”). When the lawyer representing the residents and businesses of Ottawa came to cross-examine Chris, she played a long video of trucks blaring their horns in downtown Ottawa and numerous trucks parked along a residential street and then asked Chris, “If that was happening in your community, on your front lawn, would that be OK with you?”, he replied, “I’d probably join in – yes!” Touché, Mr. Deering!!! Those who would like to see the testimony of this amazingly courageous man may see it here, from 2:44:00 to 4:09:22; the video of the police attack on Chris and a speech that Chris delivered afterwards is from 4:12:40 to 4:15:55: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCyfw7MzsSM


My apologies for these long screeds; believe me when I say that I am writing with great economy, as each day’s proceedings tend to be 8+ hours long (not including breaks). But I hope that those who are interested in this huge fox-related side show find these high-level summaries to be informative. At the highest level, the Commission started out with “testimony of the crybabies” (local residents and businesses), was followed by a two-week long “battle of the eggs” (bald hard-eyed lawyers cross-examining bald hard-eyed cops), and this week was “revelations of the freedom fighters”. I believe that the remaining three weeks will be mostly “parade of the enemies of the Constitution” (i.e., the reptiles who occupy the highest offices of the country). I anticipate being much briefer in coming weeks, reserving my comments to the most egregious statements and actions of Canada’s malefic overlords.

Honk honk! Freedom! Liberté!

Ron M

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[personal profile] hippieviking 2022-11-05 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey Ron,

I rarely comment on any of the Canuckian drama, but I just wanted to let you know that I do read all your reports with great interest!

Thanks for putting the work in.

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""" the shots looked good based on a proxy parameter that fails to correlate well to the real world, and then there was a lot of wishful thinking, a strong profit motive, and a team of businesspeople already known to be among the most corrupt in the world. """

I thought for a moment there you were describing the financial crisis of 2008. Simply substitute the word "shots" for any of the various three-letter-acronym weapons of financial mass destruction that were (and still are) being thrown around.

Sad the way human nature never seems to change, eh?

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Thank you JMG for this forum. It seems like a lot of work and effort and time you give for this and thank you deeply.

NEW THREAD: HOW DO WE SPLIT OR SHARE THE WORLD?

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THE SHORT: HOW DO WE SPLIT OR SHARE THE WORLD? what does a parallel system or detante look like?

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THE LONG:

okay so regarding the earlier thread about how to LIVE TOGETHER going forward - what essentially is the vax vs. unvax / freedom vs. servitude / safety vs. freedom / death vs. life groups .... if separating the china ends up apartheid-then HOW DO WE CO-EXIST???

sectioning off the "safe" scared enclosed cities to fend for themselves to negotiate deals with the free world (fly over states and "fly over countries"), seems like in a world of no one LISTENING anymore, it has its own built-in "Come to Jesus" moment that we as a freedom-wanting ungovernable people, cannot touch. or haven't been able to, thus far.

so the WEF wants that? isn't that okay? i mean, we're asking for another Ukrainian situation by letting the WEF have satellite cities within our nations. i see how it'd undermine "the united ANYTHING," but what choice do we have???

i'm not saying that IS the choice. i'm saying it's time to ask that question.

look, i may be all about forgiving. but MY type of forgiving isn't YOUR saccharin stewed in sugar hallmark special. my type of forgiving is: "cool. we tried our thing. you bore me now. go away in peace. i love you. but from afar. up close i don't like how you make me feel and the feelings you bring about it me."

THAT right there, that statement is what i actually meant to James when i wanted to go off into the world to cause a lot of trouble and suicide THAT way out. i wanted to really use my skills to undo people and undo someone in the most sadistic way that they'd murder me.

our own and each others' sadomasochism can be used for good or ill./i fantasized being found a dessicated corpse. i fantasized about the black eye sockets from birds eating my eyes first. somehow i'd inherited an Amy Winehouse ratty beehive wig that'd been blowing every which way but loose in the open desert.

that was the end of me.

but i knew that the mood i was in, i'd have likely caused a lot of devastation on my way out.

but James didn't want me to go. he saw the look in my eyes that i'd let go. to everything. behaving. being nice. swallowing my first impressions so i wouldn't get called out and asked to leave anymore.

and but i no longer wanted to STAY.

and that's when things got REALLY good.

i remember thinking for a long time on my back, would i stay would i go?

i finally sat up and looked James in the eye with all the seriousness my suicidal decisions any which way but loose... and i said, "okay... i will stay for you. i saw the look in your eyes when i was in the hospital after the motorcycle accident and you were afraid of the world without me. so i will live for you as long as i can, but that means that ...

"I CAN NO LONGER 'BEHAVE'."

and he thought a moment, looked deep into my eyes with all the seriousness that he knew how messy it could get now and he'd already been to the edge with me...

and he nodded and said, "Okay."

it took me awhile to fine tune Not Behaving from being up on top of Suicide by instigating someone to MURDER me.

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i mention this i think because i was as WE are. i couldn't stand what'd become of san francisco and soon the world, because of tech and everyone knowing everything and looking down all the time into the latest rectangle and art was dead sex and romance was a bloated rotting maggot infested corpse.

i was willing to cede ground by suiciding out of here. once my life wasn't my own, and i belonged to the only person in the entire world in my entire LIFE who's let me be the weird scruffy leaky frizzy ERIKA.

and i wanted HIM to be and do the same. more intersting that way as we NEVER run out of anything to talk about.

i'm glad i didn't die. i'm glad i didn't cede for THIS world that we have now and what they are further having wet dreams over. no. there is absolutely NO WETNESS in today's world. none. unless you count the blood clots forming in blood.

talk about Freudian displacement. is that what it's called? are these vaxes a twisted sexual fantasy to not impregnate the world with tiny phallic needles from men and women with tiny asexual phallic nothingness. it's all so ...obvious.

forget taking our guns. they are taking our tits and dicks and turning us into ken dolls. even the barbies.

ah... back to women undermining themselves with their corporate feminism.

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i wrote a fan letter to the people at KPOO and included two white DJs. the one who i said the best things about, he said it was the best letter i'd ever written to him and i was too nice to be a nazi fascist. he's serious.

and it hurts the same.

but i forgive him to the point of foisting my love upon him. it's a form of cuddle rape like we do to kitties.

and by the way- no kittens yet, dear Murmuration.

anyhow, i'm grateful MUST say thank you to the people who're gonna plan Nuremburg II. forgiveness isn't DO IT AGAIN! forgiveness is realizing they are who they are gonna be and leave it at that.

do we all and each have potential to be angels? yeah. that's the thing.

so i refused to BEHAVE. and by sticking around a little longer, THIS all blew up. i saw the people i wanted to BEHAVE before and be accepted by, they are bat shxt crazy. it wasn't just the ones i "knew." there was no secret cabal of Healthy People.

we're all insane.

i dare say even the Amish have their own ish. we ALL do. we're human.

BUT... now that things are popping and i see it was never ME and ... yet the far left communism safety death wish project will not CEDE power.

so HOW DO WE HOW WILL WE CO-EXIST???

parallel system is at its best a fantasy. but it's a direction, an approach. as i see it, coming FROM these people i wanted to behave before, well... this is why i'm estranged from my ENTIRE FAMILY AND EVERY FRIEND I'VE EVER HAD BEFORE 2011.

i'm like that meme i just saw on powerline blog about the huge amount of friends a guy had all his life before, and now the guy is down to in 2022: NO FRIENDS.. just guns and a dog.

so i went through back then what many are going through NOW. i went through it alone, and it's amazing i made it THIS far in the past decade. funnily the Obama years were the most violent for ME when i wasn't Behaving. when Trump was in, i was safe because they were hating on Trump all that time.

that was not lost on me.

so you can think you're doing great if you have the next few years of Republican elections to hold the line, but oh no...

you can cross your fingers and hope we completely collapse first, but life is better than races of crappy goals.

we can do better than THIS.

so what do we all do? when i was a liberal, i knew you couldn't keep anyone down without that coming back to undermine what you've got.

same NOW. so there will be no quiet, no winning, as things stand.

they run everything and will go against their own desire for MONEY because this is about POWER blind power, and they're in the institutions. the fact that advertising will leave twitter over bullying and ideals over money is evidence to me of a much longer game.

THAT tells me we can "win". there is no winning. only remaining as unwired and disconnected to the Borg as possible.

i think i went through all that agony this past decade for a great training reason now.

we usually suicide out.

what happens when we stick around and demand ...they simply leave us alone?

how do we co-exist on the same land?
ideas are fun to volley back and forth but we are trapped in flesh.

we've gotta EAT. we've gotta stay warm.

and if that post on here about Lulu making Brazilians on welfare get the shot to get "educated" or food, IT's ON...

and no matter how much of a losing battle this looks like, i am my father's daughter and he always was his own man. he was the essence of UNGOVERNABLE. that's why women wanted to conquer him.

who's the Victim now?

he's no victim. he'd never cop to that. just as his daughter, a leo girl who understood her leo pops, i saw how women thought he was indestructable. my mom included.

he forgives her for Everything. she ruined his life and everything he thought he was working for and she was the victim in her eyes. and he still and forever quietly forgives her and is there for her to use again as she gets older and...

HOW DO WE CO-EXIST?

i don't want our ending to be like Shel Silverstein's "The Giving Tree," where we're the dead stump they left behind and move on from.

what happens when people like us who didn't EVER fit in do well in their world, what happens if and when we don't suicide out of here or end up imprisoned or insane or crippled???

so don't tear down. do the creative riffing thing where if you take down an idea you've gotta replace it offer up another idea. it's been too easy to anonymously tear down to be clever and FIRST.

that's an internet illness. being anonymous and reclining in despair and cynicism and not being held to any expectations like we'd be in Real Life.

so i ask:

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO CO-EXIST WITH THE COVIDIANS WHO'RE STILL AROUND AND IN CHARGE OF THINGS???

i honestly don't know because we all can't just not be estranged from each other anymore. that's just not gonna cut it...

what does a parallel system or detante look like?

erika

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
oh yeah, i brought the sadomasochism and forgiveness and accountability thing up because:

accountability is important to the point of being Everything. so the sadomasochism i speak of flipping, that's gonna have to come to the fore, is when you have to do things like plan Nuremburg II for people you possibly love or could or would love...

...or to people you've already long since FORGIVEN.


x

erika

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(Anonymous) 2022-11-05 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
this is related to the open covid post subject because i'm doing all i can to avoid the SPCA and there's a lot of wisdom here regarding health of people AND animals, which i wanna tap into:

i've not taken our mascot kitty, Vida, to the vet. she's healthy bright and still energetic even though she's obviously pregnant now, a full month later. (she was about--very wiggly-- 8 pounds when she found us)

however, this is the first time i've seen a little piece of worm on her anus (i do look and at her stools).

de-worming is poisonous so i'd love any advice on naturally de-worming. and this one book we had says de-worm the kittens, too.

any knowledge here on this, i'd love! and welcome any other advices. really. i know we'll have to eventually bring the kitties into the SPCA for them to find homes (and i don't know if Vida or her kitties have any of those feline illnesses, and know that even if mother has one, kitties don't necessarily catch those weird kitty diseases), but i wanna avoid the vet or SPCA around here as long as possible.

thank you-

erika

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I'm a tree huger if there ever was one, but with a worm or parasite infection, I just use pharmaceutical medicine. It is probably one of the very few instances where I believe pharmaceuticals are appropriate. It are just a few doses of pills, and the poison is quite specific: it strongly works on the parasites, but hardly effects the host.

- P.D.

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