Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.     

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Unexpected Truckers Commission News Flash

[(Anonymous)]

This week Canada’s Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry (i.e., “Trucker’s Commission”) has been focusing on the “side shows” of the protests that took place at two Canada-US borders (Windsor Ontario and Coutts Alberta) at the time of the Ottawa protest but were non-existent at the time that Prime Menace Turdeau uttered “The Deplorable Word” (invoked the Emergencies Act). Not a lot to report in general (lots of cops giving testimony, one of whom stated that protesters used children as ‘human shields’ even though a police investigation proved that it was simply a rumour on social media; videos of militarized cops using ‘questionable’ crowd-crushing tactics in Windsor are not being shown). Today is Day 20. It was interesting that this morning the mayor of Coutts (who was not a fan of the blockade) stated that about 70% of his village’s inhabitants supported the blockade. He also stated that most of the blockade was by farmers, not truckers.

Now for the news flash. In the early afternoon – but before the scheduled lunch break – Commission lawyer Gabriel Poliquin keeled over in the middle of questioning a witness. He bent his head to take a swig from his water bottle… and he just kept going down. An ambulance arrived. Witnesses on the scene say his face was not covered (i.e., likely not dead on the scene). Not sure whether his will be a ‘died suddenly’ story (hope not; I don’t wish that on anybody), but as an omen (and as a publicly viewed proceeding I take such events as transcending the circumstances of an individual), this collapse is not good.

Honk honk!

Ron M

Re: Unexpected Truckers Commission News Flash

[(Anonymous)]

Dear lord this is shocking to hear. I can't imagine what weirdness is all wrapped up in this.

We're on our own...

[(Anonymous)]

...i'm sobbing over here because we're on our own and unless we get our acts together on the low, we're toast. see, they could openly eat our brains in slurpees without fear next time. people are clotting falling dropping and melting like snowflakes that they are, and it was ALL OKEY DOKE.

MORE! BRAVO!

and WE're supposed to come up with some VISION??? you cannot possibly EVER push your tits together close enough if killing and dividing and making us broke and miserable isn't enough.

the best news is all the tech layoffs and i'll take rasperry jam pie smack dab in the FACE. less drug dealers to entice people on the innerwebs to keep 'em addicted and the real price of MONEY and single family homes coming onto the market en masse...

now I'M praying for the fires next time so i can say "everything's fine!" myself.


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erika

It's The End of America and I Feel Fine / or ARTISTS AS THE OFFICIAL LEGISLATORS OF CULTURE time

[(Anonymous)]

man... i told you they weren't sorry. but i had no idea HOW MUCH "NOT SORRY" and i am shaken that it's all apparently not very "over" -- and likely to be ramped up later because now THIS is normal base line and something may further upset them they'll eventually want to print a retraction for. i was trying to be cool but this is childhood stuff i hoped to outgrow but grew INTO! not really into how bad this could get because they are insane.

other feral kids can attest: we're at a new level of national intimacy after our skulls are bashed in and the sheriff leaves and the neighbors go back to sleep... and we play it off day after in school like nothing happened...

which brings me to: after yesterday, emily oster is going to print a retraction on her amnesty article in the atlantic with a photo of herself bent over bracing herself against the wall, a la Mapplethorpe, turning around to face the camera with a whip up her ass, and the title "AMNESTY THIS, MOTHAFXCKAS!"

i ate lunch, cried a lot--sobbed in front of James while he was trying to eat lunch and read online-- and cue the rocky theme song.

he handed me a couple of tissues and was it in coffee and covid's comments? or !EL GATO!s? but someone in the comments cut-and-pasted the part in The Declaration of Independence...screw it i'm crying NOW... the part from 1776 about how the government shall not turn against its people and ... MAN IT HIT ME...

we're so not in kansas anymore... these pop culture references you cannot i cannot help they come out of me like burps... not i understand Hearthspirit posting videos instead of typing...Hearthspirit did you get my apology about calling Beyonce a vapid "white girl" with dead eyes? i've danced to her too i'd dance to jeffrey dahmer if he had a good beat..but hell if planet rock was by a gay pedophile i've danced too much to that to be saved in this incarnation anyhow...

point is, THAT stuff was real. 1776.

and yeah, this is gonna hurt more. no matter how easy or hard you go it's gonna hurt staying here round these parts. hide your anonymity with us here, but not the government so know that going forward and anything you say because language changes daily definitions hourly and free speech just ain't a THING. so guns tits and dicks... we lost our TONGUES first.

we must get them back.

i'm stepping up as Artist... we are many and i must PROMPT others to also step up and out now and soon.

i'm going from first gear on project Ernestine Shepherd (look her up if you don't know already) to at least THIRD gear.

meaning cue rocky them song. rocky I. for me there is no other.

so i forgive... it has rescinded retracted its suicide and we are more dangerous ever yet! hurrah!

so i'm stepping up my game all around because we must be in the best shape of our lives for confidence for energy for ARCHITECTURE STRUCTURE. you must first get your spine as straight as possible even if in your mind because you FORGIVE so that you do not react in rage and anger.

that is how they'll capture you and render you useless. this is how they've entrapped the last of the Men before and trapped all the badasses framed them and put them away.

i'm not inciting anything illegal. only that you start the vibe the dance the groove on the low and set it free to skip many times on the water before setting all those ripples on fire. mad fire.

i am Rafael Lopez Sanchez of San Juan's Daughter... (he would've killed me for saying amherst earlier but i did that like GPS for any angels there who know him they can keep an extra eye on him... this internet is so much smaller than you know...) and i think this stuff ran in the family because so much makes sense.

anyhow i sobbed... i sobbed because i said it was white girl emily oster who said "we can do this the nice way now or the hard way later..." it was US....

i feel like i was born and raised for THIS now. even if i'm insane, it's one helluva story to die with, don't you think? better than dying for nothing.

live for something, right?

Mark, you're good. you're perfect where you NEED/ed to be. something made me type that and i like it so it STAYS!

because 'live for something' ...that's stealth in public as they can't even imagine such a concept as they are dead.

we are artists... let the warriors with the strength to hold them accountable with Nuremburg 2 and let's not plan a 3rd one okay? anyone feral KNOWS from childhood that the 3rd is never far off once the last one went off without a hitch.

anyhow get ready! i will somehow work to skip my stone. bodies move IS a vibration like a string.

no lie i'm not scared. but you've gotta forgive in that way where you let go of holding on so you can fly. let the solid ground rock types hold onto that because they can handle it. it's a burden like working in a slaughterhouse or being among the first of the allies to land in Auschwitz.

i don't wanna go back there.

time to spin to dance... i've got ENERGY in this. that's why i know it's the right answer for ME. my job. Energy. that's MY job as the alchemist i need to be is how do i find ENERGY...

because with it i can do anything. even come back out, from back stage, back up front... in Real Life. big shimmy skipping stones rings of fire...

my final act ... my last bow... why I'm glad i'm still here.

all with love. calling all artists. we're UP. our part. as the official legislators of culture, a pitch for the angels...

we must pitch sell convince them to LIVE... to Feel...

see, Mark? you're FINE. we're up. we need to be able to do this AND hold them accountable. we must not be the pussies now. pitch honor integrity strength and hold an old promise we kept to ourselves long ago.


this place has a lot of dreams a lot of blood but this love letter The Founders wrote... i BELIEVE in Love!...

i like the story that some of us have Returned Now For This Reason. because if for me, writing was the sketch before the architecture, we cannot let that beautiful work of art, that is The Declaration of Independence, i love it because it is an idea an ideal to creatively struggle to attain.. it is a genius piece of work piece of LOVE LETTER that we must fight for or we will feed only cynicism.

beware cynicism. it is acid to your ankles and fight.

THIS is why you must forgive. undisciplined discipline only exacerbates where we are now.

nothing no new vision with that old thinking. new thinking isn't la la la. it is slaughterhouse difficult and painful. court the sadomasochism. it's all you CAN do.

good luck at going back for Christmas now.

(smile)

get ready we must pitch back life such that we court and make bottoms of the trolls and bots on HERE! we will be irresistable. like fluffy kitties on our backs.

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erika

Re: It's The End of America and I Feel Fine / or ARTISTS AS THE OFFICIAL LEGISLATORS OF CULTURE time

[(Anonymous)]

You got there yourself, before I could get to you ;)

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/InferiorLankyEnglishsetter-size_restricted.gif

Murmuration

[stcathalexandria]

There's a lot of gloating going on amongst the rabble and the blue checks of the bird app about who was defeated in the election. Even the beginning of promises of punishment to the supporters of the other party, including everyday people who voted and gave money. (Because obviously in a democracy it is a crime to vote for the other party.) I'm shaking my head reading these public proclamations wondering what's possessing people to act like this Oh yeah....

[(Anonymous)]

(by the way, thanks for feeling ME, back)

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erika

Mask Rant

[(Anonymous)]

Transcriber here. I'm really hoping the mask fetish calms down some more, and stays that way through the winter. Here's a rant from last summer. The man is not identified in the video, but he shows up in some others I'll be posting transcriptions of later (assuming our host approves), in which he intereviews some members of European Parliament, and in which he is identified as Anthony Stabourlos.

https://rumble.com/v1dwz1q-greek-people-stop-wearing-a-mask-outside.-please.html
posted July 28, 2022

TRANSCRIPT

GREEK PEOPLE STOP WEARING MASK OUTSIDE. PLEASE!

GREEK MAN DRIVING CAR: My fellow Greek people, what are we doing? I'm traveling for two months in Greece from the mainland to islands up to Euboea. And what I see is people walking around at 35 degrees outside wearing a face mask. Outside. We are being made afraid of a virus, something that we know already, nose [?], little bit high temperature, your throat that hurts, maybe you have a little headache. But you have to use your brain because we come from Spartans, we are Greeks. We are the start of civilization, we once started that. We have the intelligence inside us. And just think about it, why is your temperature higher now? Because you're not hydrated, you eat the wrong food, it's just hot outside and you stay too long in the sun. We get a sore throat, we get a nose that is [?] Why is that? I see a lot of people being in the air conditioning all the time. Your airways, they infect, they inflame because it's dry air, it's maybe polluted air from outside inside, and if it infects, it inflammates, it's that that makes you have the nose, the temperature, or whatever. Start using your brain. You are being brainwashed, brain-fu*ked by the government. They want to control you. Maybe it's just time to stop wearing the mask because you breathe in your own dirty air. It's not logic. You walk around with a diaper on your face. Just stop it. Make Greek people proud again and be smart, you are smart inside somewhere deep here [points to head] and here [points to heart]. But I don't see it. Make me proud. I'm Greek! I want people to fight against this tyranny, this totalitarian stuff. Just wake up. You are being played. Don't be played. You don't want to be played by the government. Stop this. Wake up. Take away the masks.
2:12
[END]

Re: Mask Rant

[(Anonymous)]

I found this comment online:

If masks worked they would have been banned, like HCQ and Ivermectin.

QR CODE

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I could find it again but maybe 4 years ago I came upon a website that argued in some detail that QR codes are actually demonic. Ha! Only on this forum would I say such a thing. But seriously, I think they are demonic.

Here's a report on QR code use from Japan:

https://zakitsune.substack.com/p/life-regulated-by-qr-code

Re: QR CODE

[(Anonymous)]

oh man,,,,,,,,,,so comply or be a hermit.............but maybe a hermit without food.......or a social life.............this all happened quickly.........what a nightmare.........what can be done...........

Brain Inflammation

[methylethyl]

Berenson reports that brain inflammation should now be on the list of verified side-effects of the cooties shots.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/brain-inflammation-and-the-mrna-vaccines

He cites this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22011677#b0030

Which looked at three large insurance company databases, and found "sharp increases" in brain inflammation after the vaccines.

Re: Brain Inflammation

[(Anonymous)]

This is just giving me a headache.

Okay, all snarkiness aside, really?

Annette

[kashtan]

The election results are reminding me of the 2018 mid-terms but with the parties switched. It's making me think on one hand of all that's happened in the last few years. COVID, inflation, the geopolitical situation, it's been a few turbulent years. Yet on the other hand, our political situation is still strikingly similar in many ways to four years ago. Things have escalated but we still have the same basic framework that's been in place since 2015-2016.

The crises we're in are bound to only escalate further in the next few years. COVID and the vaccines are still a wild card, the rises in all-cause mortality and chronic illnesses in heavily vaccinated areas are becoming increasingly apparent to those who follow the alternative media, but it's still unclear how bad they'll get and if/when they'll com to greater attention. The deterioration of the economic and geopolitical situation is all but guaranteed at this point, but what will the political effects of all this be? Both left and right have been hoping that something will happen that converts enough people to their side (or for some, kills enough on the other side) to break the stalemate decisively in their favor. At his point, I don't expect that to happen. The political situation we're in now in America can't last forever, although it's lasted longer already than I thought it could.

What do people here think, is America doomed to civil war and/or fragmentation of some sort in the near future, or could something come along to break the left/right binary enough to avoid that fate. There's already people with large audiences like Joe Rogan out there who've taken positions outside of that binary, the question is whether that will spill over into politics soon enough to matter?

[(Anonymous)]

You say "doomed" to civil war or fragmentation.
While I hope civil war is avoidable, I don't see peaceful fragmentation as a bad thing.

The USA as a nation state will only survive as the dollar does.
If the dollar becomes worthless, there is not much left that holdes the states together.

RECORD SCRATCH RADIO #6: DON'T MASS FORMATION IN MY FACE AND CALL IT A REPUBLICAN BLOOD CLOT

[(Anonymous)]

James and i just did a new Record Scratch Radio podcast:

RECORD SCRATCH RADIO #6: DON'T MASS FORMATION IN MY FACE AND CALL IT A REPUBLICAN BLOOD CLOT

https://recordscratchradio.substack.com/pC/its-on-dont-mass-formation-in-my


hope you enjoy. i think we're interrupting each other a LOT less. it's like we're finally learning our manners now that we're wanting to make a good impression on the young before they completely corner eat us like the kids in that elizabeth taylor movie where she said "AND THEN THEY ...ATE HIM!"

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erika

Re: RECORD SCRATCH RADIO #6: DON'T MASS FORMATION IN MY FACE AND CALL IT A REPUBLICAN BLOOD CLOT

[onesage]

Hi Erika, I am also Erika. You want to meet people, create a collective to resist - I like it! Where do I sign up? Or contact you? I see you talk to other regulars here outside this forum - how did you figure that out? I mostly lurk here. I tried but couldn’t figure out how to comment on your podcast so apologies to our esteemed host for the hijack and I tie it back to Covid with the idea that we will need these real world life lines, something outside the internet is key to surviving the next one. It’s a delicate balance of anonymity and lack thereof that makes a reasonable internet footprint these days, I understand and similarly protect my energies. But I feel the need for connection all of a sudden, in my bones.

Eisenstein - The Mask of Derision

[dendroica]

Charles Eisenstein's latest essay.

I find myself resonating with a lot of his sentiments here. In all of the calls for Nuremberg II, I have been tempted to ask why exactly did Nuremberg I happen, and what exactly did it accomplish? If a coalition of foreign powers had invaded and conquered the USA in 1870, might they have been equally appalled at our genocide of indigenous peoples and have convened similar trials? Was Nuremberg really an ideal example of justice for evil actions, or was it specifically designed to humiliate the losers of a long and bitter war? Is Nuremberg II really what we should be aiming for, or can we step out of the cycles of hatred and counter-hatred, oppression and punishment, and transcend the tendency toward dehumanization?

https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/love-is-unconditional-trust-is-not

"Similarly, something primal lurks beneath the rationale for punishing the architects of pandemania, the calls for a Nuremberg II, and so on. The rationale is about deterrence and “holding people accountable.” The ideal is “never again.” But are we immune to more savage impulses masquerading as ideals? The lust for revenge, the desire to dance triumphantly over a humiliated enemy? Can we distinguish rational measures against a recurrence of genocidal madness from the madness itself? The madness which seeks to control evil by projecting it onto a sacrificial victim whose removal from society cleanses evil from the world?"

"Did Nuremberg I prevent a recurrence of genocidal madness? Did the perpetrators of the Rwandan massacres pause to think, “Hold on, if we slaughter a million people we will be punished?” Come on. The purpose of Nuremberg was not deterrence. It was a sort of theater. It was an attempt to affix onto a few individuals culpability for an unspeakable, mystifying, and therefore all the more terrifying crime. True, those individuals stoked the furnace of anti-Semitic hate and rode it to power, but they did not invent the fire, and could not have carried out the Holocaust in the absence of a kind of collective madness, whose symptoms range from howling bloodlust to cowed acquiescence. It is the same madness that fueled the witch hunts and other horrors. It is indeed, as the word Holocaust implies, an all-consuming inferno. The hysteria of the mob is a terrifying force. It is primal, animal. It defies sense and reason. Yet the way we try to corral it into a narrative, through performances like Nuremberg, feeds its underlying fire. That fire is the meta-pattern of dehumanization. It is the energy of hate."

Re: Eisenstein - The Mask of Derision

[(Anonymous)]

All good questions. For my money, I'm happy to not extract revenge. As long as I know this won't come for the kids, I'm content. Right now I am far from sure of that. What is to be done then?

I think the key question is: how do you deter psychopaths? If you trace this back, it wasn't some mad, mass impulse that just sort of occurred, like weather, which set this off. It was particular individuals, with some kind of agenda, purposes unknown. It was trained for. It was premeditated. I mean, how else do we get a vaccine ready two days after "work" started? That wasn't premeditated? For real? Anyone selling any bridges? Once rolling, of course the mass madness appeared. But there are psychopaths that need to be deterred from the levers of power. How?

Murmuration

[(Anonymous)]

Things are looking worse for team provax.

The death numbers keep on stacking up in highly vaxxed countries and: "over time, the strength of the association between excess mortality and vaccination is INCREASING!"

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/association-between-vaccines-and

Now, in my last post, I personally forgave team provax in response to their pleas, so let nobody say that my stony unvaxxed heart has blocked them from repenting and committing to a 'twelve step' program to kick the 'mystery juice'.

But since I've forgiven them, they have no more excuse! It's time they moved onto the next step!

They have all the power, now they need to make things right.

Tick tock

The Ninth Mouse

Bobbie Anne Cox on the NY State Quaratine Camps Regulation

[(Anonymous)]

Transcriber here. Well, Governor Hochul won the election for NY State. Keep your seatbelts on. This quarantine camps case needs eyes on it. Seems Hochul would have been A-OK with Shanghai. I've translated the relevant approximately 8 minute-long excerpt from Steve Kirsch's Episode #54 "Beating Covid in the Courts" a roundtable interview with various attorneys on various medical freedom / civil rights cases. I warmly recommend watching or listening to the whole thing.

Q & A WITH BOBBIE ANNE ANN, THE NY ATTORNEY WHO STRUCK DOWN GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S QUARANTINE CAMPS REGULATION

From: Episode #54 Beating Covid in the Courts
https://rumble.com/v1re2si-full-episode-54-beating-covid-in-the-courts.html
Nov 4, 2022

TRANSCRIPT OF EXCERPT

30:25
BOBBIE ANNE COX: My case is the entire state of New York, and it's, um, I struck down the quarantine camp regulation that [Governor] Kathy Hochul, her Department of Heath had issued where they could force New Yorkers to either lockdown in their homes or remove them from their homes and lock them up in facilities. I mean, quarantine detention centers, quarantine camps, whatever noun you want to use.

STEVE KIRSCH: At their sole discretion and decision.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yes.

STEVE KIRSCH: Of course.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: For however long they wanted, that there was no restriction in that regulation, so they could have literally locked New Yorkers up or locked them down for days, weeks, months.

STEVE KIRSCH: Years?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yeah. There was no restriction whatsoever.

STEVE KIRSCH: And the rationale could be pretty much anything, right? They could just do it to misinformation spreaders like myself. So if I lived in New York they could haul me away to a quarantine camp. Would they be able to cut off my Internet, too?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Absolutely. So the regulation was very, it gave them unbelievable, unfettered power. And it said that the Department of Health could tell you what you could and couldn't do
while you were in quarantine, which means, yeah, they could have
taken your cell phone, they could have cut off your Internet access, they could have told you what you could eat or couldn't eat or what medications you could take or couldn't take or had to take. It was very broad power that they gave themselves. And there was no age restriction. So they could have taken you, but they also could have taken your child or your grandchild or your elderly parent. And there was no way to get out of quarantine once they put you in. So I mean, what I mean by that is, you know, we were having oral arguments in front of the judge, and the judge asked the Attorney General's Office, listen, let's say you take a family and you put them into a quarantine facility or a hospital, you know, how do they get out? And the Assistant Attorney General just, you know, said, well, I guess they could hire a lawyer and sue. You know, I mean—

STEVE KIRSCH: Might take four or five years, maybe.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: I mean, no due process.

STEVE KIRSCH: Cost a few million dollars, maybe.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yep. Absolutely.

STEVE KIRSCH: At least they could get out.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs]

STEVE KIRSCH: Assuming that they win.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Assuming they win their case, right. Right. So it was horrific, I mean, it was complete, you know, authoritarian rule that you know Kathy Hochul and her Department of Health, they literally gave themselves the power. They went around the legislature, this did not go through the New York State Senate or the New York State Assembly. In fact there was a bill that was proposed in the Assembly here in New York for like seven years which was very similar to the regulation, it was a very scary proposed law. But it had no support whatsoever. It literally had not one other New York State Assembly member or New York State Senator that would back it, so the bill went nowhere. Eventually, Nick Perry the assemblyman from New York City who had proposed that bill, eventually he withdrew it. It had zero support.

So what did the Governor do? They changed the language a little bit, they pushed it through the Department of Health, and they made it a regulation. So it was completely unconstitutional. The governor and the Department of Health do not have the power to make law. That is a power that is reserved for the legislature. That's very clear separation of powers in both the United States Constitution, also in the New York State Constitution. Very clear, separation of powers means we have three branches of government, each one stands on its own, they're supposed to be co-equal, and one branch can't go and take the power from the others because then that's tyranny. I mean, that's, you know, the people are the ones who suffer when there is tyranny. So all three branches have to stay in their own lane. But here, I mean, the governor and the Department of Health and the executive branch, supposed to be enforcing the laws that made by the legislature,
here they made a law, you know, which they had no authority to do.

So thankfully the judge, New York State Supreme Court Judge Ron Ploetz
he struck it down, he said it's unconstitutional, the governor doesn't have the power, the Department of Health doesn't have the power.
And he said it's null, it's void, it cannot be enforced. But you know, Kathy Hochul filed a notice of appeal. They want to get the power back. You know, they haven't moved forward with the appeal
probably because it's election day coming up next week and they just don't want New York voters to know they want to get this
horrific power back, which is completely unconstitutional, and use tax dollars to fight the appeal. So they haven't actually moved forward with the appeal yet. But you know, we'll see what the election holds next week because if Leticia James, she's running for Attorney General, she wants another four years, if she wins or if Kathy Hochul wins and she's our governor for another four years,
you know I'm sure they're going to push forward with this appeal
and try and get the power back, ry and overturn the judge's decision, so they can have forced isolation and quarantine facilities in New York State. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's so anti-American.

STEVE KIRSCH: But what happens in the meantime? Are they allowed to do this, like, in the meantime, or, is, did the judge state
regulation. Which way is it going?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right, so the judge struck down the regulation. So it no longer exists, it is not enforceable.

STEVE KIRSCH: But before he did that, what was the, what would happen if, like, could they have put you in these quarantine camps?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Oh, for sure. For sure. The regulation had no requirement that they prove that you were sick.

STEVE KIRSCH: Wouldn't it be great if we controlled the governor's office in New York and then we invited Anthony Fauci to give a talk, and then we said, eh, we're going to quarantine you. Forever.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs] Well, that's what the regulation let them do, right? The regulation—

STEVE KIRSCH: This could be used the other way. I mean, if, if, assuming it was constitutional. Look, even the New York legislature
shouldn't have the power to take a citizen and put them in quarantine for an undetermined amount of time. That seems like that would be unconstitutional no mater how you look at it. That no state legislature, Congress can't do it, nobody can do that. Is that right? Unless you rewrote, amended the constitution, essentially. Is that correct?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right. So you know we do have a law in New York State, as many states do, which does allow the government to isolate somebody if they are a public health threat. However, that law, which we've had for 70 years here in New York, that law does have a number of due process protections built into it, so that the government can't abuse its power, right? So the number one thing that that law says is you have to prove the person actually has the communicable disease that you think they have. You can't just suspect, well, maybe you were exposed, maybe you weren't, I don't know, but I'm going to issue you an isolation or quarantine order. No. The law is very clear. Step one, the person has to actually be sick. And that law has many other due process protections built in. But another main one there is that it's not that the judge finds that you are harboring a disease, the judge has to find that you are being a nuisance and you are not acting in a manner to protect other people from getting your disease. Right? So they have to have an investigation, according to the law, they have to have an investigation, you have a right to an attorney, there has to be a hearing before a judge, the judge has to issue the decision.

In this regulation, you know, Hochul comes along with her Department of Health and says, well, forget that, we're not going to do that, we don't need to have due process, we're going to pick and choose which New Yorkers we want to lock up or lockdown for as long as we want and we don't have to prove anything. We don't have to prove they're sick, we don't have to prove they were exposed, you know, we're just going to put— and we'll let you know when you can get out.

It was so anti-American, so unconstitutional. The judge struck it down. he said it's null and void.
He barred them from enforcing them from enforcing it. So today, as of July 8, 2022, New Yorkers cannot be thrown in detention centers, whatever you want to call them by the Department of Health. They cannot, they no longer have that power. It's shameful that they want to appeal it. It really is shameful. And use tax dollars to do so. You know, clear breach of separation of powers. And clear that they want to completely get rid of our constitution and rewrite it so that they can do whatever they want whenever they to the citizens of New York.

The problem is that if this happens in New York, let's say Hochul wins on Tuesday, election, let's say Leticia James wins, now she's our Attorney General again, Hochul's our governor again
and they move forward with the appeal, let's say it's overturned. If we have quarantine facilities in New York State as a new way to contain communicable diseases, that's going to spread across the country like wildfire. Every state's going to turn and say, wait a minute, if New York's allowed to force their citizens into quarantine
with no proof and no due process, why don't we do that? Oh, of course we can do it, let's do it! Right? So it spreads, you know, the insanity will then spread across the country and then what do we have? Then we have the United States of America having forced isolation and quarantine facilities. I mean, it's just, it's absurd. It cannot stand. It just. [shakes head]

STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, there's certainly been a lot of absurd things that have happened in this pandemic that I believe cannot stand. They've been standing for a lot longer than I ever expected. And the more I learn about what's going on and there are all sorts of atrocities that existed for decades and well-known and they're still being pulled off, you know, not to the extent of quarantining people without their consent, but, yeah.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: But I mean it's, you destroy lives, right? You see what the lockdowns did to people. You know. Imagine the government, unelected bureaucrats in the Health Department being allowed to tell people, you can't see your child, you can't go to work, you have to be locked up in this facility until we tell you that you can get out. There was no way to negotiate your way out. You couldn't say, wait a second, hang on a second, I don't have tuberculosis. I'll take a test. You know, I'll prove to you I don't have tuberculosis, or monkey ox. There was a whole long list of diseases that would fall under this regulation. It wasn't just covid 19. You know, tuberculosis, polio, money pox, toxic shock syndrome, I'm not exactly sure how that's communicable. But, you know, Lyme disease. They were really putting anything they wanted on this list and—

STEVE KIRSCH: Quarantining for Lyme disease! Wow.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: That was on the list.

STEVE KIRSCH: Wow.
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:

See also "Court Strikes Down 'Quarantine Camp' Regulation in New York by Bobbie Anne Cox, Brownstone Institute, August 25, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/court-strikes-down-quarantine-camp-regulation-in-new-york-state/

Bobbie Anne Cox blogs at
https://attorneycox.substack.com

Re: Bobbie Anne Cox on the NY State Quaratine Camps Regulation

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder how many of the people who voted for Hochul have any idea about this court case. My God, that the MSM hasn't been talking about this. And my God, no doubt some did know, and, like Giov Hochul herself, thought Shangai in NY a dandy idea.

[(Anonymous)]

Tonight at a concert one of my friends who just got their 5th jab today started joking that the haze from the fog machine was airborne covid. He mentioned a new spike in cases, and I came home to read some mainstream news. The western world is being encouraged to mask up again.

Up to this point I was just trying my best to not upset the mental patients, but I don’t think I can be polite about this any more.

[(Anonymous)]

Me neither.

Dr John Campbell

[(Anonymous)]

another video from Dr Campbell letting members of parliament speaking in a committee do the talking so as to bypass youtube censorship,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFYq0xEAjQ

it's encouraging to see this stuff being challenged at governmental level,
now parliamentarians are openly discussing stuff that would have got a private citizen ostracised a year ago.

Re: Dr John Campbell

[(Anonymous)]

Highly recommended! It so happens that earlier today I surfed onto the video of British MP Danny Kruger on the official UK parliament YT page via a link from a comment in a substack-- it is quite something. Now to see it again on Dr. Campbell's YT, with Dr. Campbell's commentary, is an historic experience. I use that term "historic" very intentionally. In his efforts to avoid the YT censors Dr C shows himself worthy of the Cirque du Soleil. Dr. C made me laugh out loud several times. But sadly.

Forumistas: we have a definitive mega-crack.

PS Dear JMG, my belated but very heartfelt thanks for this week's hosting.

Cetiosaurus

[stcathalexandria]

Just wanted to post a couple of observations -

So far 1.4 million people in Pennsylvania have taken the 8 mouse special booster, which the state has coded as vaccine shot #5. There's a little over 1.2 million across the state and 130K in Philadelphia. That works out to be about 10% of the population. Demand looks to be steady and it doesn't appear to be dropping off in the charts.

My cell phone still has the "Exposure Notifications" I can turn on to let me know when I've been near someone with covid who tested positive. I've never used this and the state's rollout of their own app for this was only downloaded by about 25K people. I'm concerned that function is still there.

Social media still has all the stickers you can add to show you've been vaccinated or to urge others to get vaccinated. I wish these would go away, but looks like they are here to stay for now.

And most concerning, it looks like the state DOH got their act together with the statewide vaccine database. It's got a log-in for school nurses to enter information on children and the state will now give immunization records https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/Reporting-Registries/PA-SIIS/Pages/PA-SIIS.aspx So the vaccine infrastructure system continues to constructed.

" Managed by the Pennsylvania Department of Health, the Pennsylvania Statewide Immunization Information System (PA-SIIS) is a confidential, computerized immunization registry that records vaccine doses administered and reported by participating providers in Pennsylvania (excluding Philadelphia). It was developed with the goal of achieving complete and timely immunization data for all people, children through adults. In Pennsylvania, reporting vaccine doses administered to PA-SIIS is voluntary, with the exception of COVID-19 vaccinations; however, health care providers are strongly encouraged to participate as there are many benefits to participation.

The PA-SIIS helps to support the Pennsylvania Department of Health's mission by creating a central location to capture and store immunization information received from participating health care providers. This information can then be used to estimate vaccination coverage, and to inform the development of programs to improve vaccination coverage to decrease the harm caused by vaccine-preventable diseases in Pennsylvania.

If an individual receives immunizations from more than one health care provider, the information can be combined in PA-SIIS to create one record of all reported immunizations for that person; which can serve as a resource for health care providers to help determine the appropriate immunization needs of their patients. It also assists health care providers who are enrolled in federal immunizations programs such as the Vaccines for Children (VFC) Program with vaccine ordering and inventory management.

Finally, individuals can benefit from having their administered vaccine doses reported to PA-SIIS as it can serve as an official source of one's immunization history when needed, such as for school, camp and day care enrollment."

[stcathalexandria]

Digging a little further on Pennsylvania's vaccine database, it looks like it is a copy of the national database that was funded. On this website is guides to the HL7 and you can see the data fields on an excel spreadsheet. https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/Reporting-Registries/PA-SIIS/Pages/SIIS-Library.aspx

Most concerning is the second link " HL7 Guide_Appendix B_Core Data Elements" which lists all the fields in this vaccine registry. One of the fields is labeled "Exemption/refusal reason" which makes it sure look like everyone is going into this database, not just the vaccinated.

Are other states showing these vaccine databases on their DOH websites?

[(Anonymous)]

Supporters of the convoy, which was protesting an end to vaccine mandates, are wondering why the pro-mandate, pro-lockdown lawyer for Trudeau seemingly had a stroke during the public inquiry today.

https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1590442992661590016?s=20&t=eaQnp5zXjYofkvw8yCpp0Q&fbclid=IwAR2H3AIgmKRm4Qd2sOmFnTSlYZVHdZhcOzBkFnp6y5Q0916Ohya_Bji-qc0

Karma bites.

To quote one commenter…

[(Anonymous)]

Vaccidents happen.

[(Anonymous)]

With all the talk about increased death rates in countries that use mRNA injections, is there any data on countries that primarily used non mRNA injections?

In one of the early threads, there was speculation that there is an avenue for vaccine diplomacy, in which countries using non mRNA shots would have relatively healthier populations, and thus have a competitive advantage over those who use mRNA (be it delivered by the nano lipid or adenovirus approaches). If it is so, then the medical-scientific legitimacy of those nations will relatively rise over that of the primarily mRNA using Western nations1.

Now that the secuelae for mRNA injections is playing out in the form of higher overall death rates, is a similar phenomenon occurring with populations what used other approaches for their injections?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know the answer to your question but I can say that the one person I know who got the Sputnik died shortly thereafter of covid.

Spain registers a death excess and the Health Minister doesn't know why...

[(Anonymous)]

It's the elephant in the room. Unafortunately, I don't have English link, only it's in Spanish...
If you want to improve or practise your spanish, go ahead with these news.

https://www.elmundo.es/ciencia-y-salud/salud/2022/11/09/636b6d2ae4d4d898078b45a3.html

There is a BIG excess in deaths in the country.
"It's a very bad year on mortalitity and it's worse that it looks like".

A Spaniard.

Re: Spain registers a death excess and the Health Minister doesn't know why...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm keenly interested and read Spanish a little... but it looks like that requires a subscription to see the article :(

Piers Morgan joins the convoy of back-peddling

[lukedodson]

Now THIS is something of a turn-up for the books:

https://twitter.com/TheFreds/status/1590751075287461893

Morgan, interviewing kickboxer turned sketchy pick-up artist/grifter Andrew Tate, says "people have quite rightly held me accountable for some of the positions I took during the Covid pandemic".

Morgan was one of the more vociferous in his demonization of the unvaccinated, so his unapologetic back-pedalling and pleas of ignorance are not convincing many, to judge from the comments on Twitter.

Death excess in Spain (sorry)

[(Anonymous)]

I beg your pardn because the news aren't full in the link I gave to you all...I didn't realized it, because I've read it at the local library yesterday.
However, the sense of the news are understable: there is a death excess (BIG) in my country, and in the other European countries and American ones too, probably.
It's interesting that this newspaper is "conservative", so it's fond for blaming the "leftist" government for everything, however this time is saying the truth.

-A Spaniard.

A bit off topic: JHK on US elections

[(Anonymous)]

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/showdown-slow-down/
It's interesting for US and no-US people:
"One insidious change was shutting down all the small local precinct polling places in churches and schools, where it was easy to get in, get your signature checked, and vote on-site, and where the precinct captains and workers were known and accountable to voters in the neigjhborhood."

Re: A bit off topic: JHK on US elections

[(Anonymous)]

Completely by accident (on account of climate change).

The best of Kunstler on this Friday, IMHO

[(Anonymous)]

'The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. — Marcu Aurelius'

OK; he refers to the US last elections, but it can be applied to the COVID insanity!
-A Spaniard.

Re: The best of Kunstler on this Friday, IMHO

[(Anonymous)]

Modern TexMex Translation:
It's cool to hang with the sheep, but when they start foaming at the mouth then, boy howdy, do you have a Big Problemo.

[andrew_b]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN9QaZGDOhE

An absolutely savage bit of satire (can you really even call it that?) in response to calls for Covid "Amnesty".

Very well done, and I think it sums up how most people are feeling these days.

Almost 40k views, and still hasn't been taken down.

[(Anonymous)]

Very good.

-A Spaniard.

[(Anonymous)]

Last week several people suggested asking homeschoolers for suggestions of pediatricians who take patients who don't follow the CDC "recommended" schedule.

Not really sure how to do that since my baby is only 9 months old. Well, I emailed someone I saw on a resources for homeschoolers list, and applied to join a facebook group. (Haven't heard back from either.) But why would the facebook group let someone join who just has a baby? I just feel weird about this.

I already struck out with the recommendations from homeschooling relatives who used to live here and have since moved away. Those docs have either retired or aren't taking new patients.

:facepalm:

Any suggestions on how to approach (or even find) homeschoolers given that I don't have any school-age kids? I guess I'm lucky that I actually *have* always planned to homeschool but...

-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

[(Anonymous)]

Send an inquiry to the FB group you're interested in. Be honest: "Hey, my kid is only 9mos, so obviously I'm not homeschooling yet, but I'm interested in what's going on in the area, local hs resources, and possibly meeting other homeschooling parents with young children-- also looking for crunchy-compatible pediatrician recommendations. If this isn't the right group, that's OK-- do you know where else I might look?"

that way, you're not lying to anyone, and the group admins may be able to help even if they don't think you joining the group is appropriate.

Damn. This one sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn. This one sucks. Kevin Conroy, the voice of the BEST Batman. A short battle with cancer.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/beloved-batman-voice-actor-kevin-conroy-dies-after-cancer-battle