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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2024-10-15 10:25 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 167

"fact checking"We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Inside Pharma

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
An important post on "Inside Pharma" from pharmaceutical logistics expert Hedley Rees (he states that this is free to share):

SARS-CoV-2 INJECTIONS ARE PHYSICAL, NOT VIRTUAL
It's been a massive scam all along...
By Hedley Rees, October 15, 2024

AM I STATING THE OBVIOUS?

Most of the world believed it was possible to develop & make a safe, effective, quality-compliant injection in less than 12 months.

If that were ‘obvious’, I wouldn’t need to be reminding people. Hopefully, you are not one of them!

For all the talk about synthetic, computer-generated genetic code and virtual inspections of manufacturing facilities—that is a pipe dream.

In the non-virtual world of physical supply chains, that does not happen.

Why is that, I hear you think?

PHYSICAL PATIENTS NEED PHYSICAL PRODUCTS

Injections are the product of long, complicated, supply chains. What comes out of those supply chains goes directly into your body—your physical body, not a virtual one. Any slip-up along the way could have tragic consequences.

This is why the initial development of any medicinal product, including injections for a gene therapy product, begins prior to administration in humans.

It requires pre-clinical studies that involve small quantities and a small supply chain.

If the product is proven to be safe after testing to regulatory approved standards, then it progresses to clinical trials. Here, larger quantities and a larger supply chain is needed.

Finally, if authorized, production will be scaled up again, at least once and possibly more, to meet patient demand.

At each scale-up stage, it is vital to assess the product in great detail, as each time production is scaled up the product structure can change and may become toxic.

The public has repeatedly been told that the trials for the Sars-Cov-2 injections took place in parallel (all at the same time), instead of in series, in order to speed up the process.

By developing the injections in this way, without following the accepted protocols, and proceeding through the steps in order, the vital checks on scaling-up the product will have been missed.

It is possible that the finished product will be toxic to the recipient (termed a polymorph). This raises serious safety concerns.

MANY FACTORS ARE INVOLVED

Adding to the non-virtual supply chain complications are many other factors. These include, but not limited to, production in different facilities that could alter clinical performance, component parts from different sources, especially China, batch-to-batch variation, distribution logistics issues shipping vast volumes of product around the globe…feel free to write your own list.

Any undetected error or omission could cause considerable patient harm or even death.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

It is imperative that the SARS-CoV-2 injections are stopped immediately, based on what you have read above.

The overriding issue is that the companies selling the injections do not physically develop or manufacture them. It is contract development and manufacturing organisations (CDMOs).

The CDMOs do not sell them, and are not liable for anything going wrong—the contracts will ensure that.

https://hedleyrees.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-injections-are-physical-5e9

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Re: Inside Pharma

[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-10-15 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"It is possible that the finished product will be toxic to the recipient (termed a polymorph)."

Is he calling the product, or the recipient, a "polymorph", I wonder...
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Re: Inside Pharma

[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-15 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I sometimes wonder if writers get little flashes of the future when the stories come through. Time may be "what prevents everything from happening at once," but since everything is happening at once, many people do get those kind of flashes on occasion.

Speaking of fiction, we're about halfway through The Hall of Homeless Gods. It's a real page turner. Thank you. I'm looking forward to the next books in this series.

Re: Inside Pharma

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Just finished it. As a longtime noir/detective fan (JD Macdonald is a favorite), I’m glad to hear there’s more on the way. There’s more to Ms. Otome than meets the eye, methinks.
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Re: Inside Pharma

[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-10-16 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
*eyes goggle*

Really? Hmmm...

Re: Inside Pharma

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
I can vouch; my dad, who used to work for a pharmaceutical company, would comment on the "scaling up" project he was doing for a drug process, and how arduous it was. Arduous because in those days, the FDA was very strict; but that was several decades ago.

Speaking of 'several decades ago', I wonder how much of today's administrative stupidity is due to G W Bush's "No Child Left Behind" graduates winding up in decision-making positions by now?

- Cicada Grove

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)

Walgreens planning to close 1,200 stores over next 3 years

The company has been struggling as a result of online competition and decreasing prescription drug payments.

https://justthenews.com/nation/economy/walgreens-planning-close-1200-stores-over-next-3-years

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Saw a few CVS stores close down over the past six months in NW Indiana. This after watching Walgreens close down a number of their stores about ten years ago (after growing like crazy and rebuilding existing stores into standalone locations for ten-fifteen years before then).

Makes me wonder how long before Walgreens goes bankrupt. This would be the second major wave of closures they've gone through, and once a company gets into the store closing habit it usually goes to its logical conclusion (everything closes).

– Donald C. Hargraves

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Part of me is sad to see brick-and-mortar retail close down, but for so relentlessly pushing the jabs, for Walgreens et al, zero pity.
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[personal profile] mr_nobody1967 2024-10-16 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
For being such a complete stick-up zone for prescription medications, less-than-zero pity. IOW, Schadenfreude!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
“Pfizer CEO Bourla to meet with activist investor Starboard Value on turnaround pitch: FT”

https://dailyclout.io/pfizer-ceo-bourla-to-meet-with-activist-investor-starboard-value-on-turnaround-pitch-ft/

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect this won't be the only bailout attempt for that accursed company. By the end of it, they will have lit a lot of money on fire keeping that company alive.

The delicious thing about it, is they know they're lighting that money on fire, but they don't really have a choice in it either. They are now compelled to do it based on their bad decisions made earlier.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Ninth Circuit Overturns Federal Judge’s Ruling, Upholds Montana Law Protecting Workers and Patients from Discrimination Based on their Vaccination Status

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/ninth-circuit-overturns-federal-judges-ruling-upholds-montana/

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Jordan Peterson: Alas, no re-educator to be found

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-alas-no-re-educator-to-be-found

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
This story reminds me of the 2022 Freedom Convoy in which the City of Ottawa was unsuccessful in contracting towing companies across eastern Ontario to tow convoy trucks (it takes a truck to tow a truck).

Thanks for sharing - this story was like a ray of sunshine! :)

Ron M

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank-you for this.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, over 100 NIH funded Alzheimers papers are completely fake

The researcher basically copy and pasted and made up scatter plots

He was considered a top 10 researcher before this and his papers were the backbone for our current understanding of Alzheimers

This is our science

https://nitter.poast.org/AlpacaAurelius/status/1845384030411469054#m

here is the link to the article in that post. it is from september:


Picture imperfect
Scores of papers by Eliezer Masliah, prominent neuroscientist and top NIH official, fall under suspicion

https://www.science.org/content/article/research-misconduct-finding-neuroscientist-eliezer-masliah-papers-under-suspicion
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[personal profile] jruss 2024-10-15 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a book called Republics and Reincarnation that had the idea of switching up how funding would be done.

Whoever came up with viable breakthroughs would be given a stipend, along with a cash payout, and an exception from most taxes.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
And what percentage of university scientists would eligible for government funding after that lovely culling if the herd.....

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That factor was instrumental in my decision to not pursue academics beyond a bachelor's degree. In graduate and post-graduate studies, students are expected to first learn what is known of the chosen subject, find some aspect of it wherein knowledge is weak, and then conduct research to help fill the gap - their thesis being then added to the knowlege base in that field of study. Plenty of students were going about it exactly that way, but they were not the ones getting really good grades. The best grades went to the ones who danced the academic two-step: first, shmooze around to suss out what their mentors and instructors believed or expected to be true; then fudge up the study so it looked like they were right. That deception was well under way when I was there 40 years ago, so I shudder to imagine what passes for 'fact' today in academia - especially on the topics of medicine and life sciences.....

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
(What would have been my doctoral dissertation got published anyway -- that's my translation of Gerard Thibault's Academie de l'Espee, a manual of swordfighting based on Pythagorean sacred geometry.)


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty sure I could add some cloves & Jack Daniels to sorghum and make a nice 'tonic' but as for what you mentioned above - way above my pay grade. :-) :-) :-) :-)

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think a lot of us have stories like this.

I dropped out of a graduate program when I realized that academic "research" work is just about finding the answers the funder wants, and/or which supports a pre-determined political agenda. In my short tenure as a grad student, I never encountered any overt fraud like totally making up data, but I constantly saw things like studies being structured to be more likely to yield desired results, data being cherry-picked and massaged to find the "correct" answer, and just general sloppiness. Truth is, most of the time you don't really have to make stuff up out of whole cloth to "prove" a desired conclusion; you just have to structure your data collection and fiddle with how you analyze and present it, and presto, you can get the "correct" answer.

If I learned important things from grad school, they were one, a much better understanding of how academic research serves to give a veneer of legitimacy to ideology; two, how funders control the academy; and three, myriad ways to lie with data without technically telling a lie.

This all proved very handy during covid, when I could read a news article on what the "science" said, and immediately spot numerous ways that the data claiming to support the narrative could have been manipulated to support a pre-determined conclusion and further an agenda. Grad school taught me that "studies say" and "according to experts" means nothing.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a half completed MA, and part way through realized I was going to get a very different answer from what my supervisor was expecting. When I told him, he said that "If fraud gives the answer that the people paying wants, no on will care. If the results turn out different, no one will care there was no fraud, they'll still find a reason to destroy it, and you."

He then coached me on how to massage my data...

[identity profile] https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen 2024-10-16 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Fifty years ago at a small state college I was pursuing a BSc in Biology. A requirement for graduation was completion and writeup on a research project. I chose to try to duplicate a study in one of our library’s science journals. Plowing through a bunch of studies, I selected one that fit my fancy: a study which sought to characterize the interaction between a native mouse and an introduced one, the hypothesis being that the non-native mouse was more aggressive and was displacing the native mouse from its habitat.

Many weeks were spent learning how better to do live trapping; I’d already done that in previous classes (awww, look at the cute Kangaroo rat! Oooh, Antelope Valley Ground Squirrel!) but now I needed to go full-out to trap enough mice to have a statistically-viable study. The non-native mice were pretty easy (Mus musculus, the common house mouse) as they are in predictable places near dwellings & trash, often at high concentrations (ewww!) But the native mice, White-footed Deer Mice (Peromyscus maniculatus) were much more challenging to find habitats where they hung out. I kept trapping Kangaroo rats! Setting the live traps was delicate, which is why I was getting K-rats (they’re a lot heavier.) Finding a good bait was a bit of a puzzle too; I started with cheese, but meh, deer mice don’t seem nearly as enthused over that as house mice. Peanut butter, and setting the traps to be on a finely-balaced hair trigger setting, finally started to yield some deer mice.

Maintaining 10 or so mice of each species in the bio lab was also quite the challenge. The end of the quarter was nearing; I was getting almost no sleep. Finally, I had enough healthy mice to start the experiments: place one of each species in a large cage, and note their interactions. The paper I had chosen to duplicate described notable aggressions of M. musculus towards the deer mice, which included jumping vertically (to appear big and strong?), and especially back-flips done as a display of energy and power.

So mouse 3 & mouse 12: an hour of them ignoring each other and sniffing around inside the cage. Mouse 2 and mouse 16: same as the previous pair. Next pair, same result. Next pair: SAME RESULT. I was not seeing ANY of the behaviours described in the paper I had chosen to duplicate!

Perhaps they were doing these rapid backflips so rapidly I was missing them? I was awfully tired. Yawn, what time is it, 3 AM! Aaack!

Several days of trials, with the same results. Now it was the end of the quarter. I released all the mice back into their habitats. Write a paper on… what? I felt like a complete failure.

In retrospect I had PLENTY for a good paper; it would have documented the large amount of work it took to trap and house ~20 wild mice, and the complete lack of interest they had in each other, thus calling into question the original paper. We called such fraudulent products “dry-labbing”, where someone made up numbers that looked plausible and which could yield statistically-significant results.

A week or so after the end of the quarter, my senior advisor was frantically trying to get me to write up my project, but I got a summer job in my field using my lab skills, working at a fruit dehydrator plant. One of the other lab techs quit, and now I was on 12-hour shifts seven days a week; the dehydrator was a 24 x 7 operation in the summer, and my boss was the only other tech. By the end of the summer, the farming company hired me on full-time as an assistant horticulturist, as good or better of a job as I would have had with my BSc. Thoughts of trying to finish my Bachelor’s faded into insignificance; the lack of same never really impacted me, as I was always one of those guys who would take on a crap job and boost myself up by doing.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The backflips were probably at the speed of light. You trapped Alien mice! :-) :-) :-)

Enjoyed your comment!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
I witnessed data faking among some of the scientists at a startup back in Silicon Valley in the 90s. What an awful life. How can that feel satisfying? I guess if your focus is on achieving "power."

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd also like to see some of them prosecuted for fraud. I'm pretty sure there is no "scientists exemption" from the laws that forbid fraud from anyone accepting money from the government...

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I get your point, but that thought doesn't sit real well with me. I have seen, and know personally, genuine researchers (professors) falsely accused of fraud, because they were on the wrong side of the Pharmaceutical Industry. Be careful what you wish for.

Monochrome Impudent Turtle

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not either, the person I'm thinking of, was falsely accused by an anonymous whistleblower, which spurred an investigation by the Department of Health and Human Services. I sat in his living room as he practically in tears told us about it. (He was one of the professors on my husband PhD committee.) He hired a lawyer but didn't have the funds to continue with a legal defense. Many journals retracted his papers. His research directly contradicted the pharmaceutical companies interests. While it's always possible there was fraud, I just don't believe it. The corruption even in science is so rampant, the Pharmaceutical Industry has the clout to ruin people's careers who actively go against their interests.

I also personally know people who have there offices raided and temporarily seized by the FBI, because their business also went against the interests of the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Monochrome Impudent Turtle

(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
No, I don't have an alternative suggestion or solution, but the fact that I don't doesn't make my point or my experience any less valid.

I do think we may already be at the point where in many subject matter areas (not all areas) the only people who do real scientific research, have to do it out of their own pockets, which in most cases means it doesn't get done (though I know a few that do). Or alternatively they contort their conclusions, even though if you read the actual article it indicates otherwise. My thought is that it's probably worse to get institutional and academic support for science that's been bought by big corporate interests then it is to just let the system fall apart.

Monochrome Impudent Turtle
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-10-19 10:27 am (UTC)(link)
I think the problem here is the capture of systems of regulation by the new Magisterium. This does not give me insight in HOW to deal with it.

But if it is not so much the research that is flawed (although much of it is), but the systems (public and private) that fund it, produce it, and regulate it thoroughly captured and corrupt, then any punitive new regulations aimed only at researchers at the bottom of that feedtrough, will fulfill the functions of regulation everywhere. They will give the capturers of the regulatory system more weapons to aim at smallfry they find annoying, while continuing to be permissive towards those that feed the magisterium.

How does one fight a Magisterium... and win?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Not the OP, but given that the current system seems to have caused a lot of the corruption, led to some disastrous public policy (such as the horribly distorted food system in much of the Western World), and there were plenty of great scientists before (Newton, Galileo, Haley, Darwin, among others), maybe it's not worth trying to salvage at all.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I put some thought into designing a political system of grant money allocation using three-fold options or three channels of funding. I tried out several polarized forces of inquiry inherent in class interests as a counterweight method – that is, using oppositional force as a system of checks and balances.

Such as
1) alternately funding women’s health vs. men’s health,
2) appointing one research team’s bitter foes the power to oversee and fine any infractions of method or mathematical manipulations;
3) using divination or randomized selection, letting the gods decide;
4) letting student bodies decide one year and faculty the following year;
5) letting the taxpayers vote on where they want their money to go;
6) assigning all teams a non-science activity to compete in as a public spectacle (a bake sale or building a useful item from junkheaps and woodpiles) such that their competence and teamsmanship can be judged by non-experts. The teams’ performance in the assigned task would be awarded funds proportionally by a vote of taxpayers, students and teachers (votes of the three deciders being weighted differently for each year of the competition – sometimes public opinion is more heavily weighted, other times, the ‘experts’ have more influence).

The more I thought about it, the more I judged that the systems I proposed could be broken or corrupted easily by rich men north of richmond. So instead, I settled on a less colorful project involving the tedious task of clearing out the Augean Stables that contain some 80 years worth of putrified and petrified bovine byproducts pooped out by moola muddled corruption in the fields of science.

In order to receive funding for any new research effort, each team applying for public money must first demonstrate their competence by replicating exactly at least two widely cited but never replicated studies.

Or by compiling a thorough meta-analysis of studies on a controversial environmental subject affecting public health and welfare, such as tobacco (bee-killing pollinator poison AND ACE-2 receptor-occupying defense against common viral respiratory infections); drinking water quality in the U.S and the world; maternal and neonate health worldwide; processed vs whole foods, ‘silver bullet’ pills with isolated single active components vs. whole herb and terrain theory healing modalities. You see my biases here, of course, but every Aggie College and Ivy-towered institute will have their own biases to prove as well.

Thus, over the next 30-50 years much of the backlog of bullsheets can be cleared from the Sciences’ Stables and a less shaky foundation be laid for the future of the method.

After that, the Big Money will largely be dried up and pure science will have to take its chances among the pressing concerns of starvation, privation, pollution, and revolution.

Still, if Science can improve each shining hour, prove its ability to put its badly soiled house in order, and hereafter stick to the proof, the whole proof, and nothing but the proof, it may yet survive intact.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
In the case I'm talking about above, the scientist had over 500 published articles and 28 were retracted for "questionable image manipulation". The "whistleblower" was an anonymous researcher in Japan.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
In theory, I agree wholeheartedly.

In practice, however, the challenge would be to find some way that this goal could be accomplished without also breeding a whole new race of 'fact checkers' with monopolies on both the retraction of fraudulent research and the definition of fraud.

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Re: open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Archivist here, thanks

Conflict of Interest?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It's called conflict of interest?

VA Mtn Man

Re: Conflict of Interest?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It is called the SPAM™ish Inquisition.

And *everybody* expects it.
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Re: things hit home - an update

[personal profile] temporaryreality 2024-10-15 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi all,

yesterday my daughter went for a thermography scan (her preference over biopsy or mammogram at this time). Good news - the initial observation does not show that the lump in her breast is cancer. In two weeks we'll get the more comprehensive reading of the test, but we've dropped down a notch from the "high alert" we were in.

She had decided to try ivermectin and will continue with the course she's on for the next week and a half.

Thank you everyone for your well-wishes and prayers. They cheered her (and me) immensely.

Now, we'll be exploring the varieties of ways to conceive of/contemplate/work with an unidentified "lump."

In the meantime, there were a few remaining ivymivy links I wanted to share from when I did my deep dive into it:

Despite 2ndsmartestguy's headline, the recently released, peer-reviewed study of IVM, fenben/mebendazole, etc., for cancer is NOT a paper about a TRIAL of the abovementioned. It's only a peer reviewed protocol (there is a difference!). Nonetheless, the paper does cite its sources, and those sources seem promising. Here's a downloadable copy of the paper: https://isom.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Targeting-the-Mitochondrial-Stem-Cell-Connection-in-Cancer-Treatment-JOM-39.3.pdf

Pubchem info on ivermectin - lots of useful info including brand names/synonyms, toxicity, etc.: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin

Inchem info: https://inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v27je03.htm

Info on toxicity in livestock (useful, since there have been few studies on that for ivm at higher than the standard dose for humans (though, see here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/ , https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35535587/ , https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37038566/ , https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36374218/ , https://www.researchprotocols.org/2016/4/e213/. Pharmacokinetics and interactions here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1208/s12248-007-9000-9). This reveals that even at high doses, no toxic effects have been reported in animals (see, esp. swine and horses - as monogastrics, they share some physiological characteristics with humans): https://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2344&Itemid=2996

and here's similar info on the horse-paste version: https://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3392&Itemid=3538 and https://www.domyown.com/msds/DURVETIVERMECTINMSDS.pdf (I note that the zimecertin brand claims to be the original formuation (see https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=2e87bed9-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5) -- stubborn_ass reports that at some point companies changed their paste formulation, perhaps switching the carrier of the medication

info on the injectable form: https://www.domyown.com/msds/DURVETIVERMECTIN1MSDS.pdf


Re: fertility, some studies have been put out on humans, incl https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(19)30490-5/fulltext , as well as some study of 57 men in Ghana that suggested it reduced fertility, though I also saw criticism of that study (all the men had serious parasite loads that could've caused the effect). The screaming headlines on fertility reduction seem to relate back to a clickbaity writer who based everything on some rabbit studies and the above-mentioned Ghanian men. Other info seems to suggest that ivm use is a temporary cause of reduced fertility, but those effects cease on discontinuation.

An article on ivm toxicity in rats moderated by aged garlic extract: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0034528818304466



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Re: things hit home - an update

[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-15 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay!! so glad to hear it.

Re: things hit home - an update

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Great News

Atmospheric RIver

Re: things hit home - an update

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very glad to hear that. Traditionally, poke root has been used for lymphatic cleansing and breast issues:

https://www.locustlightfarm.com/blog/2016/6/28/breast-health-and-lymphatic-cleansing

Re: things hit home - an update

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Great news! What a relief for her and you!

AMD also mentioned lymphatic flow in a recent article about breast cancer/health and discussed that bras can put enough pressure to compress lymphatic vessels, and wearing them less frequently and definitely not at night can help.

Tamar
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Re: things hit home - an update

[personal profile] temporaryreality 2024-10-16 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
hee hee, we're not much for bra wearing around here already :D

and thanks anon-up-above for the poke root tip. Will look in to it.

Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Mask mandates have returned, at least in some places...

Just yesterday (10-14-2024), I went to a used bookstore in Iowa City, Iowa, and I was checked at the entrance by a masked employee who presented me with a face-diaper wrapped in plastic. I responded with the usual, "No thanks, I'm good," but that wasn't good enough for her. She insisted that they require everyone to wear a mask, and when I told her, "The pandemic is over. It's 2024," another male employee rushed to her aid and accosted me.

I tried to reason with him, explaining the studies which show the inability of face-diapers to block respiratory viruses, but he insisted that their masks were special (insert alphabet soup name) masks, and they actually do work. (Clearly that was bunk, because they were typical masks, folded flat and wrapped in plastic.)

I felt like I had been transported back in time to 2021, and I told the employees, "I feel like I'm in a dream." But they did not empathize and seemed to rather relish the dystopian surrealism. The male employee then repeated that they have a mask requirement and added that they're "proud of it." And around this time a face-diapered employee joined in to gang up on me by adding the old familiar line, "It's a private business, they can do what they want." Love it or leave it, in other words, and so I left, knowing full well the futility of trying to reason further with these demented cult members.

I only wish I had been able to further express myself and make better points. For example, I failed to point out the total redundancy of requiring other people to wear masks when they themselves are face-diapered. I also failed to point out the total irony of a used bookstore being overly concerned with germs. Their wares are doubtlessly brimming with germs from mildew, residual urine, and gods know what else. The romance section alone would probably terrify them if illuminated under a blacklight.

Oh well. As the saying goes, hindsight is 2020. Or, in this case, 2024.

I visited their website (https://www.thehauntedbookshop.com/) after the incident, and they have a whole front page section dedicated to their beloved mask requirement. And then I learned that mask mandates have returned to healthcare facilities in certain counties in California.

We'll see if the madness spreads beyond these blue citadels, but no matter what, I would be prepared to once again confront these petty tyrants. This is definitely déjà vu.

--Sam

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
EDIT: A face-diapered customer (not employee) joined in to gang up on me by adding the old familiar line, "It's a private business, they can do what they want."

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm gonna make a mask out of bacon strips.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
In 2020 the day my County first mandated masks, I put on my biggest straw hat, wrapped a see-thru silk scarf over it to "cover" my face like an Edwardian Lady (I'm female) and marched into a bank while trying not to laugh at all the masked sheeple who succumbed to the psy-op fear-porn and/or smug Cool Kids "Save Grandma!" virtue-signaling due to their lack of any decent science education or critical, thinking skills.

This time around I might do the Crazy Lady Routine and fling my see-thru silk scarf everywhere but over any part of my face. Perhaps a Full On Crazy Lady Comedy Routine saying loudly to the sheeple, "I AM wearing a mask!!! Don't you see it!!!???" Bottom line, any shop of mask nutters loses my business. The last go-around I only encountered one which refused to make any mask exceptions once I invoked federal Americans with Disability Act law.

"They" want to do their insane performance art again? Both sides can play that game

W.R.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
That's hilarious. I wonder if a beekeeper hat would work.

--Sam

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Last time around, I bought a fishnet mask, which I reserved for circumstances where turning around and walking away was not a good option. It was ridiculous, but of course, so were all the others.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
☕️🍰☕️🍰☕️🍰

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
:-) :-) :-)

Love it.

Talk about throwing a wrench into manaical left-brain thinking.

It would be 'fun' to bring a boom-box issuing directions on how to walk 'safely' as one navigates a public place.

And follow those directions. CAUTION: AIR BUG! TURN LEFT!

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Do people in wheel chairs have to wear masks?

We all know that the scary scary virus can't be transmitted while you're sitting down. Or does that only work inside restaurants?

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Might have to be drinking coffee, not sure. LOL.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps that's a small bonus. The female I encountered was probably in her forties and starting to gray; the men were around the same age. But mostly I think they just get off on pushing other people around (figuratively speaking) and flaunting their "virtuous" behavior. If it was solely about health and safety, then they would be apologetic about inconveniencing their customers, not boastful.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
As you say, "If it was solely about health and safety, then they would be apologetic about inconveniencing their customers, not boastful."

If anyone has the energy to push back on these tyrants, and I hope so, I very much hope so, might I suggest the Peggy Hall religious exemption route. It costs 29 bucks (so it's not for everyone, and I don't take commissions, jaja)-- but the idea is, she sells you a download of a document relevant to your state law regarding masking, then you take that to a notary. (Usually you can get a notary at a UPS mailboxes shop, for example, no big deal.) Keep you notarized document in a plastic sleeve, and present it-- precisely in circumstances such as this one (the bullying maskers in that used bookshop).

From what I have observed, mask bullies will bully with all their usual arguments (we've all heard them), until they get threatened with something with some serious legalese and that suggests that it just might ...uh oh...) have an attorney behind it. Then they'll back down fast. I kind of don't think the owner of a used bookshop is going to want to take on an actual lawsuit..

Again, I have no financial interest in this--I don't know Peggy Hall personally-- make of it what you will:
https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/classes/exemption-doc-publicaccommodations

FYI I myself will be downloading and notarizing a form for my state. And I will carry it with me. What i recall from 2020-2023 is that the mask tyrants oftentimes pop up in unexpected places, and they can be so dreadfully insistent. Back then, my attitude was, it's stupid, it's annoying, but go-along-to-get-along, this will be over soon. But I don't see it that way now. I see it now as very important to push back, and push back hard, and with precision. Not yelling, but having the precise legal vocabulary. They will impose on the sheeple whatever they can get away with, and who knows what medical treatments / procedures / total headaches / perversions they'll come up with next.



Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I would prefer to not give any business to the insane cult members. I might think twice if I were really hard up and there were no other options, but I would rather just do my shopping elsewhere.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
This post got me thinking. Which, in my personal scheme of things, are the places most important to pushback on when it comes to mask bullying? I think all such businesses are, because they are open to the public, and because they are open to the public in the US that's means that, no, they do not have the legal right to make me put on the mask if I say I have a medical reason not to. I wouldn't want to allow precedent for that in my city.

That said, I wouldn't buy anything, not even a postcard, from that bookstore ever again, as a matter of principle.

And I think I'd be much more into protesting a mask mandate in some place supported by my tax dollars, such as a museum that gets tax payer funding, for example, or any place that sells food.

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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] kallianeira 2024-10-16 10:03 am (UTC)(link)

That's a tough call for someone in a little town with only one or two grocery stores and no home delivery option. How much choice do you have? Still, I'm going to get out my mask exemption document from 2022 (which I have never had to use in a shop because by then it was pretty much over) in preparation.

But I did hear from people who had them at the time that they were not always honoured. And when I went back to training at work in September!!!!! 2022 that place was still requiring them and wouldn't broach an exeption even with a legally valid document. You were stuck. Dead right and all that.

- iridescent scintillating elver

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Not the worst idea, although during the height of the scamdemic, I just told people I had a "medical exemption" and that was usually enough (unless I was dealing with the most enthusiastic mask enforcers).

I'm not sure how good the legalese stuff would be right now, since most of the emergency orders and such used to back up mask mandates during the scamdemic proper have since expired. For example, the "State of Iowa Proclamation of Disaster Emergency" order ended at 11:59 p.m. on February 6th, 2021. Although I suppose I could still print out Section 4, subsection G wherein it states: Any person, for whom communication is made difficult while wearing a face covering, is exempt from the face covering mandate.

--Sam

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously, there's an S&M vibe to the masking.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Totally. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these mask bullies utilize face-diapers in the bedroom.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
yes a sexual thrill.

Dominatrix + Karenism + woke fascist + trembling with excitement over another regulation.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
In the spirit of hate being to us what sex was to the Victorians, I do think there's something thrilling and satisfying in being able to push others around. If they comply, you feel in control, if they don't, you get to put them in the "bad people" category, so you can freely loathe and punish them. Maybe that's just the scapegoat phenomenon.

With things breaking down as rapidly as they seem to be, I wouldn't be surprised to see people clinging to fantasies of control and order, even if they are mask-flimsy.

Andy T.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Like being a bouncer at a bar,,,,,,,,FINALLY having mega-Chuck Norris levels of POWER!
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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] baconrolypoly 2024-10-16 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
As a 'woman of a certain age' myself, and knowing other women of similar age, one reason I've heard for being okay with masks is that it means you aren't expected to smile at people. If a woman is masked and quietly going about her business, men can't shout 'Give us a smile, love, it might never happen!' and after decades of hearing such orders to smile from complete strangers, that can very welcome.

Personally, I just avoid anywhere that masks are expected to be worn, not that it seems to be currently a thing in the UK.
Edited (Clarity) 2024-10-16 12:05 (UTC)

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I have had it happen to me a number of times when I was a younger woman, though much more often in the south than while I lived in the midwest. And I remember my grandfather telling my mother to smile (“what do you have to be upset about?”), so in some places I do think smiling is a kind of default and people get a bit unnerved when you don’t. But it’s also been a long time since I’ve experienced it or heard about it from anyone.

I will never forget my first trip outside the US, to England when I was a teenager. An otherwise model-beautiful customs agent greeted us whose smile could have broken a mirror.

Andy T.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed JMG. I spent some of my formative youth in western England and that's how it came across to me.

Jed
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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] baconrolypoly 2024-10-17 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
Thankfully I haven't had demands for smiles for a while, sometimes with hurled insults if I didn't comply, but the memory of them is ingrained forever.

I heard from other women that putting on a mask gave them a level of anonymity that they found to be relieving. In a world where many middle-aged women feel they have demands from all sides to be caring, from their elders, children and grandchildren and beyond, it gets very tiring so putting on a mask is a message to the world that we're not interacting today, thank you very much.
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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-17 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm in favour of using masks subversively. I will remind myself when I see one that there may be many reasons why that person donned a mask.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Herpes sore on the lips and a missing front tooth might do it.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
believe it or not I've heard burquas (sp?) praised for similar reasoning.

No I'm not reporting live from Kabul.
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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] earthworm_uk 2024-10-18 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
Masks used to protect against an aerosolised virus VS masks used to protect against a mind virus that prevents males from taking responsibility and controlling their own behaviour... both false interventions if one scrapes below the surface.

In the first case false but fear has been used to over-ride rational thinking and bring about a mind state agreeable for the madness of crowds.

In the second instance false but by projecting the fault onto women and controlling their behaviour allows men to continue in poor behaviour while thinking that they are better than women and carrying on with said bad behaviour at any opportunity.

Yet both the behaviours allow one group to try and control the behaviour of others, behave like bullies and feel good about themselves.

In the case of the covidians, this went to the extreme beyond threatening livelihood by firing to calling for locking up and denying medical care to those who did not comply with the edicts - the most extreme case I saw was from preppers who had been getting ready to fight the zombie-apocalypse who flipped in what seemed like a moment to become frothing zombies themselves and calling for 'the unclean' to be, and I quote, 'locked in basements in the dark to die gasping'.

Altogether disagreable on all counts.

I am reminded of the words of Paul Brunton:
"To meet the assaults of vicious human beasts with sympathetic nonviolence in the optimistic belief that this attitude is not only morally correct but may also change the attacker's character, is to deceive oneself."

Perhaps in the future Mr. Greer might consider a post on Navigating the Madness of Humanity and Avoiding Getting Burnt at the Stake.
The traditional way was to head up into the mountains... we're sorely short of places to go these days!

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned - Smile!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
If you were a young woman in the workforce in the 1980s and 90s, the demand from men to smile happened at least once a month in the USA. At LEAST once a month. Unfortunately, most women (like me) did smile because doing otherwise usually had bad consequences. Example: my first job out of college in 1980, I used to have to go to the computer room in the morning and pick up printouts. Those were the days of mainframes where we used punch cards and computer "jobs" ran overnight. I am a total introvert, very shy, was even more so then, but I was reasonably attractive. The guys in the computer room (it was all guys) started treating me like crap and I found out that I was known as the bit*h that refused to smile and flirt with them. I WAS SCARED TO DEATH OF THEM and just wanted to get back to my desk and look at my printouts. I have lots and lots of stories of appalling harassments from working in the tech industry in the 1980s and 1990s -- like the guy who told me I had "hitched my tail to the wrong loser" because a rumor went around I was having an affair with my married boss. He followed that comment up with a proposition. I wasn't sleeping with my boss and didn't with him either, and ended up finding a new job. My experience is not in any way unique. Just one of hundreds (thousands?) of examples from my 40+ year career. Men regularly would tell me to smile in the hallways. And I wasn't beautiful, voluptuous, or wearing slutty clothes -- I was just young and reasonably attractive in a very male dominated environment. I would have loved to respond "frack you," but... consequences.

I am a lot older these days and men aren't going to tell me to smile anymore, but I haven't heard that it has happened to any of my three daughters either. Things have changed. The difference in the dynamics at work between men and women now and say, 20 years ago, is stark. Men literally tiptoe around women in every way shape and form these days because they are one misunderstood comment away from a complaint to HR, which will absolutely cost them their job. Also any misunderstood comment to gay employees and most especially to transgender employees will cost them their job. In a way, I think this has gone way too far, but in another way, I put up with a lot of sh*t and it is nice for my daughters not to have to put up with it.

What happened to me when we stared wearing masks during COVID is that I quit wearing makeup. Makeup and masks don't mix. I never wore very much, ever, but as a woman who grew up in the South last century, well, I was taught to wear a little, at least. Early in Covid, I did wear masks when asked and quit wearing any makeup. I will never wear a mask again, no matter who asks. And I'll never wear makeup again either...Hurrah!

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned - Smile!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I did hear praise for masks from women who felt tired of wearing makeup. And then it seems that makeup sales surged during the pandemic, maybe from a forbidden feeling, or just looking for an outlet for pent-up energy? The worst of my spending habits reared their heads during the lockdowns, and I’m positive it was from frustration and loneliness, and trying to manifest a certain future by shopping for it (didn’t work). I spent a lot of time in the influencer/online makeup culture space up until a few years ago. I don’t miss it.

The tiptoeing around lgbt issues is a part of my daily job at a small residential mental health service. To me, there is a very similar feeling to the attitude around masking, very much a 'letter of the law trumps the spirit of the law' kind of attitude. I try to live and let live, I like to have a broad range of presentations myself (hence my nickname), but whoo, get the nomenclature wrong, miss a pronoun, and you hear the astral crack of the whip, and must perform your social penance. (It also unnerves me that I can wear all the pagan symbols I want, but my Christian coworkers are afraid to wear crosses and fish…) Unfortunately, although many people I love belong to it, that particular denomination of the religion of progress is one I privately struggle with.

One thing that gives me hope though: even my most hard-line client in that camp, who has what I think are legitimate symptoms of long covid, has given up on the masks and seems to see them as a farce. When covid spread through our company in August, there was a palpable wave of relief when we reached the critical mass of realizing no one cared.

Andy T.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
My family is like this. I think I know part of why it's happening The mask thing is an outlet for a profound emotional need: the need to call people out for hurting others. Most people also judge other cultures. Our upper class prides itself on not judging other cultures, which has some weird results. If you know what you are doing, you can get members of this class to defend all kinds of atrocities, because they cannot allow themselves to judge another culture for anything.

They are surrounded by a host of barbaric practices (and many which most people shrug about, but the upper classes get weird about, such as eating dairy products), especially once you rise high enough to see the outer circles of real power, and are regularly defending the most atrocious actions other human beings can do as "cultural differences", or necessary evils to fight Russia or the like. Getting caught judging any other culture, or the actions of the powerful, will cost them their perks and privileges, and they know it.

The mask thing gives them an excuse to attack another human being for "bad behavior", and they need it. They know lots of people regularly do things that put others at risk, or outright causes severe harm to another human being, but they are forced to pretend this kind of behavior is fine, even laudable, when it really is not, and they know it is not. Give any excuse to call someone out for putting others at risk and selfish actions, and they will take it.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting observations!

Could be a movie:

THE SPOKES ON THE WHEEL OF WOKE.
This time it's personal.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I simply can't imagine the amount of mental gymnastics necessary for them to think and behave the way they do. I mean, what about their "emotional need" to tell the truth? I for one would go insane trying to rationalize all the nonsense they ostensibly believe. And I wouldn't derive any pleasure from scapegoating other people. I suppose there is something to the idea that the highly educated classes are better equipped to resolve such cognitive dissonance. You have to be really smart to be that dumb.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
First, I genuinely hope that you never find yourself in a position in which you have the option to contort yourself into insane shapes to try to cling to things you genuinely think you need in order to have a decent life. Far too few human beings are able to withstand such pressures with any kind of grace and dignity, and the majority of us fold into it. Yes, it requires an insane amount of mental gymnastics.

Keep in mind as well that these are people who are genuinely, truly convinced that truth is nothing more than what the powerful claim it is. They implicitly accept the post-modernist view that truth does not exist, it is unknowable, and so everything that anyone ever claims to believe in is nothing more than a claim to power. Any attempt to claim something as true is nothing more than "I have enough power to make you act as if this thing is true".

There is no disconnect, because there is no way to ever tell the truth in this worldview....

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Sam,
I would recommend that you just turn around and leave.

If you feel like you must say something ( Oh boy do i know that feeling) you might try

"ok, then i will just order my books online from someone else. I will probably never be back."

Arguing with people is very often a waste of time. People are conditioned to want to win an argument not learn from it.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I know it's futile to reason with such people. I was taken by surprise and mostly just wanted to give them a piece of my mind, and observe some crazies up close. I'm sure I will never see them again since I'm boycotting them for life. If the mask mandates come back in full force, then I will avoid such places altogether. As you say, it would be a waste of time.

--Sam

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Another customer might have overheard/overseen the discussion and been educated.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I would say, "pick your battles."

I don't let other people pick my battles for me, and I don't pick thoughtlessly, because I've lived long enough to know, battles can take the stuffing out of you. This might be an important battle to pick. Or not. As I often tell myself, some battles are very important, but they're not for me to fight. Some battles are for me. And then I do.

Personally, I really dislike public confrontation (I find it hugely exhausting) and my inclination would be to say something like, as you suggest, "ok, then i will just order my books online from someone else. I will probably never be back."

But if this were happening where I live, now, in 2024, I would seriously consider fighting back, both documenting it online and, if they actually barred me from the store, with a lawsuit.

The bookstore employees (no doubt acting on behest of their employer) are quite mistaken that the store can impose masks on their customers because it is their business. In the USA, if the business is open to the public, such as a shop or a restaurant, by law, they have to acommodate you, and if you say, "I have a medical condition that exempts me from wearing a mask," they have no legal right to even ask you what that medical condition might be. Period. They also cannot discriminate against you for religious reasons, and you can claim it is against your religious beliefs to mask the face God gave you.

Mask bullies do this because they can get away with it. Like schoolyard bullies, when faced with determined opposition, they usually back down, and fast.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Well said. We should all push back to some degree, although how much we are able to will vary from person to person. But we should all be able to at least refuse to wear the mask again. When people "go along to get along," I think they're part of the problem.

--Sam

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
^^^THIS THIS THIS

"In the USA, if the business is open to the public, such as a shop or a restaurant, by law, they have to acommodate you, and if you say, "I have a medical condition that exempts me from wearing a mask," they have no legal right to even ask you what that medical condition might be. Period. They also cannot discriminate against you for religious reasons, and you can claim it is against your religious beliefs to mask the face God gave you. "

You summarized my approach. I also hate public confrontation but know it's a slippery slope and if they win on masks, 2021 mandates are a hop, skip, and jump away (and they'll do it just as gleefully).

I do take all my business away from anyone requiring it that I know about BUT if I'm surprised by a mandate somewhere, I invoke the "medical exemption". I do it politely and offer no explanations or further fight, just say the magic words and go about my business. There have been a few white knuckle moments where my knees were shaking as I knew they were sending bad vibes my way but luckily, I know a place where people talk about how to combat such things. :)

I have learned "medical exemption" are the magic words no good bureaucrat/crybully can fight. This includes on other issues such as smartphone creep in society (I'm a non-smartphone user).

A business or government agency requires you to access their services by QR code? I say "medical exemption please, I need a print option", one appears in short order. (They know this and have backups ready in many cases.) It also fights low level lenocracy BS. You need me to follow that silly rule? I'll need a 'reasonable accommodation per the ADA (other magic words) to do it another way - thanks'! You do not have to disclose the reason or offer any further explanation.

When I was travelling in 2021, I learned there are all sorts of legal loopholes for medical conditions and a legit medical condition is "anxiety" and no paperwork or formal diagnosis is needed per government definitions in such loopholes. So my reasoning is "Your BS causes me anxiety, so I am medically exempt". But I'm a contrarian and while I have no big victories, I keep poking at the BS.

Karmically, I do feel bad for the small businesses that have to deal with this minefield. It's one of the reasons I sell things online and can't even dream of having a brick and mortar store. But if lenocracy is the fight (and I include mask bullies in this overall BS), this is what I've got. I also go out of my way to support businesses and entrepreneurs on the fringes who are also clearly tired of the bureaucracy to even it out for the times I'm intentionally a stinker.
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Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-10-15 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
"The romance section alone would probably terrify them if illuminated under a blacklight."

Well, I giggled... :) :)

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you get when you cross a blackjack with a flashlight?


Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
'When the gods wish to destroy a city, they send it mad one bookstore at a time'?

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
:-)


One masked bookstore at a time.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It just struck me tonight, (after a glass of something quite enjoyable) that this is all kind of borrowing plot-lines from classic "western" movies:

2020-2021
"Hands up! Everybody get in the house, stay there, and if you do exactly what we say, nobody gets hurt!"

2023
"Who *was* that masked man?"

2024
"What do you mean, 'we', Kemosabe?"

---
On a more serious note, over the past week I received word that in a circle I used to move in, one elderly, failing true believer in the vex had died after a stroke. Another (a fully vexed and fully-bearded man who still believed religiously that the mask offered him protection) had suffered yet another hemorrhagic stroke.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
One truly comical sight during the years of madness in this city was a man with a huge explosion of a beard, in the middle of which sat a tiny little mask, somewhere in the region of his mouth.

I would like to think he was sending the whole thing up, but that's not very likely.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Gabby Hayes!

'Got himself a little patch of calico from ma's sewin' basket and went himself off to town on Clem the mule.'





Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
As a resident of IC, I knew as soon as you said "used bookstore" that you were talking about this one. I haven't shopped there for years for this reason, and I avoid another thrift store for the same reason. I'm tired of fighting fools and prefer to avoid them. I'm mostly a hermit now in IC, lol.

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-17 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
OP here. Nice to see another Iowa Ecosophian. I don't actually live in Iowa City currently (although I attended the University of Iowa), I was just in town doing errands. I live 90 minutes south in Keokuk, but I go to Iowa City from time to time. If you'd like to connect, feel free to shoot me an e-mail. I know very few like-minded people in my area, so I relate to being a hermit.

--Sam

haymish28@hotmail.com
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[personal profile] temporaryreality 2024-10-19 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I am sitting here, chin in hand, gazing off into space with little thoughts bubbling up around my head... Seriously contemplating indulging my inner historical-dress fangirl with this beauty here, should masks become a requirement again (Cue 15th-16th century European beekeeper): https://blamensir.neocities.org/codex/project/beekeeper
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[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-20 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
YES!!!!
I'm in!

Re: Mask Mandates Have Returned

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S
must must MUST have

CHICKEN SOUP FLOGGER

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The day that we see Current Music: The Stooges, "I Wanna Be Your Dog", we'll know there's something wild over Little Rhody ;-)

Kenton's a killer by the way, "Dynaflow" and "Jump For Joe" are dead swingers!

~Thibault
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-10-15 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"What's it called when the people doing the 'Fact Checking' are controlled by the same people doing the lying?"

I'll bite...

It's called: the Neo-Inquisition has started.

Meme Fact Check

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Great graphic today. This is one of those things that really should have opened my eyes to reality long before covid. I don't even remember when the first 'Fact Checkers' came out, probably around an election year in the early 2000s. In my naivete I remember thinking, awesome it would be nice to get the real details about these statements... And in these 20 odd years since then I have never seen a fact check that provided good information. They always ALWAYS include logical fallacies in any response. The worst is in how they pick what to check. It is almost always something irrelevant to whatever point the person was making.

Re: Meme Fact Check

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember the first time I saw a "fact check." It set off my BS detector right away. A quick skim confirmed my intuition.

Re: Meme Fact Check

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Granted I'm not american, but I'd put the rise of the "fact check" and "fake news" concepts at around 2016. That makes you right about the election-year thingy.

~Thibault

Re: Meme Fact Check

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
combining 'fact check' with 'fake news' I get 'fake check.'

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone posted this at the end of last week.
But i am really skeptical.

"hocking Government Reports: Are the C-19 Vaccinated at Risk of Developing AIDS?”
By The Exposé on October 14, 2024

UK PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report figures on Covid cases show that doubly vaccinated 40-70 year olds have lost 40% of their immune system capability compared to unvaccinated people. Their immune systems are deteriorating at around 5% per week (between 2.7% and 8.7%). If this continues then 30-50 year olds will have 100% immune system degradation, zero viral defence by Christmas and all doubly vaccinated people over 30 will have lost their immune systems by March next year.


more

https://expose-news.com/2024/10/14/are-the-c-19-vaccinated-at-risk-of-developing-aids/"


I followed the link and as far as i can tell, it is based on data from 2021, so the effect should have already showed up in March of 2022. Clearly not a complete loss of the immune system.
Not sure what to make of Expose News but i can not trust their reporting. (not sure if they just don't know what they are talking about or if they actively trying to decieve.)

vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I can work live events any more. Recently it's taken my immune system days to recover, and the final one last week had me in bed up until yesterday with flu-like symptoms. It's sad because it was a fun job and scary because I don't have a solid replacement yet, but instead of building up my immunity this constant exposure to crowds seems to be doing the opposite. Even in higher doses the ivm doesn't seem to work any more, or at least it can't keep up with today's viral load.

Not sure how many others are experiencing this as well, but if it's VAIDS then the industry is going to be dead soon anyway.

KVD

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno, I get myself exposed to random crowds every week, Im at the congregate lunch/feeding event in town and other such with hundreds of people crowded together, I take no supplements or ivermectin or anything and I never get sick with anything -- so I think it is YMMV

Atmospheric River

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
16 hour days involving thousands of people and heavy manual labor with multiple vaccinated/symptomatic local and international crew who just got off a plane from various destinations is a bit different than your neighborhood potluck. If it’s VAIDS you’ll be experiencing what I’ve been going through soon enough.

KVD

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Hang in there KVD!!!

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
WHat if it is not purely physical/material ? Do you do any natural magic protections like the red bag with bent neil slt ? wash afterwards with tepid or cool water ? Do the sphere of protection or other similiar ?

Atmospheric River

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I perform daily banishing and wear a protective talisman which I regularly consecrate. These used to work just fine but are now both seem just barely enough to get me through the day. Conditions seem to have deteriorated since the really dark Sean Combs allegations started coming out. It could very well be that the karmic implications of eating from the same table as the industry insiders can no longer be ignored.

Re: vaids

[personal profile] fredsmith11 2024-10-15 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The live music industry is dying here. Events are being cancelled and failing all over in Australia. COVID permanently changed the "going out" landscape.

There are less people booking tickets, or booking them at the last minute, combined with a big ramp up in expenses to hold an event. Add in ever increasing bureaucratic compliance requirements too.

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
Same here. We had a pretty good run when things opened back up but now shows are increasingly "papered over" just so people don't see all the empty seats. The signs are all there. It's just difficult to admit and feels like I'm finally getting pushed out the door.

KVD

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry to hear you're having some challenges. May you find the healing that is best for you.

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks and hopefully you found yours as well.

KVD

Re: vaids

[personal profile] stubborn_ass 2024-10-16 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I've posted on anti-shedding protocols a few times before, though I've also seen jabbed friends nodding along when I explained why it's critical that they really do protect themselves, then never implement anything and keep falling sick. VIM fixes or repairs the damage after shedding - you want to use the protocols to prevent the spike from doing the damage in the first place. Black seed oil (often taken with manuka honey) max 2X a day, nicotine patches, St John's wort. While there are other natural compounds which are anti-shedding, their efficacy is much less.. some combo of the 3 I mention, can be scaled up or down accordingly, takes care of the shedding.

You should also have a home blood sugar testing kit.... check your fasting glucose in the morning. If you're on the anti-shedding protocols and it wasn't strong enough, some spikes get through and you'll see it manifest as small jumps in your fasting blood sugar. Basically metabolic dysfunction has been triggered.

Caveat - with all the solar radiation coming through right now... there are days when my body feels like a train wreck and my blood sugar readings go into the prediabetes range. That's a separate issue where the pains can last 12 to 48 hours (for me) as the body absorbs all the new energies.

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for your suggestions. What finally got me over the hump this week was some nattokinaise, quercetin, and black seed oil I discovered in the cabinet. Bought it for my wife when she had long covid a couple years ago then completely forgot about it. So glad it was there because I was able to stop the bug from completely taking over my sinuses and getting really nasty. The ferrum phos also helped tremendously as well. I didn't take all that stuff this morning because I was feeling better and then had to jump back on the train as the afternoon rolled around and conditions started to deteriorate. Still not out of the woods yet.

KVD

Re: vaids

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
DMSO got me over the long Covid hump.

Stubborn_ass, what's the role of St John's Wort in your protocol? I've used it a lot for skin stuff.

Re: vaids

[personal profile] stubborn_ass 2024-10-19 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
AS discussed previously, because of its non-toxicity... when the shedding effects are very high (often evident as skin issues for my kids), they will take 2 pills every 2 to 3 hrs while in school. Yes, it's that bad, since it's getting past the nicotine patch, black seed oil etc. We try to scale back when possible, so as to keep more things (anti-shedding supplements) in reserve.

For example, Black seed oil - each table spoon is about 15ml... when the shedding load is manageable the kids only need to take it once before school. But if we figure the load has gone crazy again with more freshly jabbed kids, then they'll also take it again after coming back from school, but that's the max one should do with BSO.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the meme/cartoon.
I had no idea Jayne Mansfield was still around AND on our side!
Fantastic!
:-)

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, Charlie Chaplin's on our side, too.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88928c81-cdd0-494a-9f01-3daed941aa29_1186x850.png

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
haha feathers for the trees' or something....... :-)

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Australia: : The Albanese Government has announced a $100 Million ‘bird flu preparedness and vaccination response’ package.

https://citizenwatchreport.com/australia-the-albanese-government-has-announced-a-100-million-bird-flu-preparedness-and-vaccination-response-package/

(Anonymous) 2024-10-15 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Globalist puppets gotta puppet.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
100 million to prepare bird flu and the quackzine?

Brian Wilkins / Brian A. Wilkins

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Does anyone know what happened to Brian A. Wilkins? He had a couple of websites that have gone dark: covidlegalusa.com and thecovidblog.com

Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
https://x.com/AsherPress/status/1617310774925619200

“There are a lot of People Who are Vaccine Damaged and Don’t Know it”

Dr Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr Aseem Malhotra about Subclinical myocarditis & it’s impact on longevity

Is it possible that everyone who took a mRNA vaccine has sub-clinical heart damage, which will reduce their lifespan? There are logical reasons to suspect so. And there is a mountain of actual evidence, as well.

Trying to find some more research on this, I encountered a couple of REALLY disturbing things;
(1) It used to be easy to find articles discussing which organs took up most of the lipid nanoparticles used to "trojan horse" the mRNA. Now it is crickets, no matter how I phrase the question.

(2) Instead of getting articles discussing the lipid nanoparticles in the context of Covid vaccine injury, there is an absolute FLOOD of EXCITED articles touting how different lipid particles might be used to SELECTIVELY TARGET SPECIFIC ORGANS. E.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864138/

I'd say we have a long way to go to get to the bottom of what has been done. Right now there doesn't even appear to be any shame, much less accountability, much less any growth of humility and wisdom. This is not a good sign. Certainly millions, and possibly billions, are permanently injured. And the clique of 'scientists' who enabled this are all in a tizzy to do more of it?

Very depressing. Let's hope and pray for RFK.

Re: Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 10:38 am (UTC)(link)
RFK jnr has been cleverly co-opted and compromised, as far as I can see, with MAHA and will accomplish absolutely nothing.

Perhaps some health warnings on packets of particularly noxious highly-processed foodstuffs, at best.

Re: Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
"RFK jnr has been cleverly co-opted and compromised, as far as I can see, with MAHA and will accomplish absolutely nothing."

I would take the other side of that bet, in a heart beat. First of all, I think he -- including the team which supported his run for President (which includes Del Bigtree, Bret Weinstein, Calley and Casey Means, Tucker Carlson, millions of others, and me;) -- has already made a huge impact on American's awareness of how sick our food and medical industries have become. Certainly, he has made me more aware. I often got vaccines before the Covid vaccines, but I didn't get the Covid vaccines, and I haven't gotten, and likely won't get, any vaccines going forward.

Have you seen how the crowd responds to him when he speaks at Trump rallies? Do you not think he counts as an influencer?

So, you lose your cynical bet right of the gate, in a manner of speaking. The power of networking is huge, and RFK is networking with a lot of people.

But are you also saying that if Trump gets into office that Trump won't keep his promise to RFK and put him into some significant cabinet position where he can rein in corruption in the health agencies?

That would be both against Trump's own best interest and Trump's fairly public word on the his intention. And, since getting shot, endlessly law-fared, and this being Trump's last run at the Presidency, I would be astonished if Trump didn't take his promises a lot more seriously this second time around. And, to be fair, Trump did an amazing job of keeping his 2016 election promises, at least vastly better than most winners of the Presidency in my lifetime.

So I think you are not thinking this through very well. RFK put his life on the line to run the campaign he ran. He did that consciously.

Both Trump and RFK now are a lot more clear of who did what to them and the nature of their enemies domestic. I see no grounds, whatsoever, for you to conclude they won't bring their full life energy to the road ahead. And either of them has probably 10,000 times the lifeforce and inside knowledge of an "average" successful American their age.

That's my opinion. Of course, I'm not claiming the forces they are up against won't make more attempts on their lives. But I don't think you are being very thoughtful in your cynicism. I'd like you to lay out your argument in more than just a naked, top-level claim. I don't know where the US is going from here. But the people who have awakened are not going back to sleep, regardless.
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Re: Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-16 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you have evidence to support this?
I'm doubtful about what he can actually accomplish myself but I don't see that he's been co-opted. It seems like he's made a political decision that he hopes will give him the chance to accomplish something of value. He may be deluded but he's dealt with the bureaucracy for several decades now. He's not a starry eyed youngster and he has never shirked the difficult path.
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Re: Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

[personal profile] charlieobert 2024-10-16 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of a joke I heard years ago - tweaking it a little here.

Two scientists talking.

1 - This isn't working out in practice.

2 - Ah, but does it work in THEORY!
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Re: Could be that many people are vaccine injured and don't know it?

[personal profile] claire_58 2024-10-16 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
"In theory, the theory and the practice are the same.
In practice, they are quite different."

Search "which organs selectively tookup most of the Covid mRNA lipid nanoparticles?"

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
And be prepared for a shock. You won't likely get an answer to that specific question. Instead, you should be prepared for an absolute tsunami of gibbering "scientists" talking excitedly about how they will, in the near future, be able to use lipid nano-particles to selectively target organs of their choice for future "mRNA" "vaccine" interventions.

This is profoundly shocking. And I haven't heard anyone even talking about it. I can't have been the first to notice this?

Re: Search "which organs selectively tookup most of the Covid mRNA lipid nanoparticles?"

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 10:40 am (UTC)(link)
Scientists in the corporate age will do what their paymasters tell them.

This sentence jumped out at me when reading an account of Arctic exploration in the 1830's. The author knew human nature very well:

'It is unreasonable to expect an inventor to be wise also.....'

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Common prescription and over-the-counter medications allegedly linked to stomach cancer and kidney damage - with 100,000 Aussies eligible for a class action lawsuit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13824185/heartburn-reflux-medication-allegedly-linked-cancer-class-action.html

[personal profile] fredsmith11 2024-10-16 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Standard business model.

Fake tests and 'safety data', hype the benefits, pay any fines that eventuate, which will be less than the profits accrued.

E.g. Oxycontin and Purdue Pharma.

Rinse and repeat.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
And Zantac. Glaxo built a building in the shape of the molecule in North Carolina. Disgusting.

Strategies for the Management of Spike Protein-Related Pathology

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10222799/

Fairly recent (May '23) and apparently fairly comprehensive overview of both the problems (mentions danger of the vaccines) and potential interventions (puts Ivermectin 1st on the list, along with many other better known aids, then gos on to many things I'd never heard of being useful).

BTW, I've posted a couple of other times here about how there appears to be a religious fervor amongst "scientists" right now about using lipidnanparticles for selective targeting of various organs. And this article was the first I saw, out of hundreds, which wasn't part of that orgy of self-congratuatory "science".

I'm still looking for articles, especially research papers, detailing which organs were most likely to be damaged by the mRNA-Covid "vaccines". If you find anything, I suggest we might want to build our own little database, because it really looks to me like the subject is being "censored" or otherwise "nudged" off the list of questions with answers our Masters are willing for us to discuss.

I think this is really spooky. Which is why I keep bringing it up.

-gnat

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Papa,
I look at my hands, and I have more fingers than humans I wish to consciously support in their endeavors outside of blood relatives. Would you please add a trailing paragraph in these corona weekly posts where we can support you, what you are working on, new books, etc.

This post is a flag on my laziness in not following all of the ecosophia threads, and that may change in the near future.

thanks,
rq

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Survey Reveals Over One in Six Germans Report Side Effects from COVID-19 Vaccination

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/survey-reveals-one-six-germans-report-side-effects/

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)

Health
The ‘Secret Ingredient’ in COVID Vaccines Has Been Found

https://vigilantnews.com/post/the-secret-ingredient-in-covid-vaccines-has-been-found/

(Anonymous) 2024-10-16 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is a link to the actual paper
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/At-Least-55-Undeclared-Chemical-Elements-Found-in-Diblasi-Monteverde/70f72a08308d3b4a829e5ae719de2716c2a731cc

They are measuring in ug/L or parts per billion.
The metals in there at part per million levels are Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium and Calcium, these are likely metal ions and are found in and used by living things.
The other metals found are likely contaminates from the manufacturing process.
It looks to me that one process had aluminum and stainless steel parts in the process.

I do wonder how the Hafnium got in there.

[personal profile] fredsmith11 2024-10-16 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
https://www.alkane.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Hafnium.pdf

"Hafnium is essential to aerospace superalloys & microchips"

"Integrated circuits: Using hafnium oxide to replace silicon dioxide gate insulators has allowed a significant leap forward in the quest to shrink computer chips and improve efficiency."

I wonder if they have nanobot races in the labs, to see who can build an integrated circuit quickest. Gold star to the winners.

Whilst it looks like we don't have MAC addresses yet, would they like that for the IoT? Absolutely IMO.

If at first you don't succeed . . . .

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