Thema Mundi Return 2024

[ecosophia]

A couple of days ago I posted a discussion of last year's Thema Mundi return -- the experimental chart I cast and delineated for the moment of the Sun's return to its position at the traditional birth chart of the world, used as the basis for a set of predictions about US politics via the methods of classic mundane astrology. I noted then that I'd be posting a new chart and delineation for the 2024 Thema Mundi return.

Well, here it is. I'm sorry to say that it's rather more troubling than last year's chart. In particular, there is a classic indication of a risk of war -- the Moon and Mars are in an applying square, and both are angular -- as well as other negative indications. Like the last one, this is an experimental chart; to the best of my knowledge, nobody's done Thema Mundi returns before; but last year's came out fairly accurate. War is not inevitable -- astrology predicts trends, not certainties -- but the danger is there.

(I've already cast next year's chart, by the way, and it has some astonishing things in it, predicting radical changes.  More on this next August.)

As before, I've made this a public post on both my SubscribeStar and Patreon accounts. Let me know what you think.

Comments

[k_a_nitz]

Interesting, for Wellington, New Zealand (if I've calculated it correctly) that T-square has Jupiter in the 7th (Gemini - foreign affairs) square to Saturn in the 5th (Pisces - speculative & entertainment) and to the Moon in the 11th (Virgo - legislative), so discharging to 1st (Scorpio - the common people). I must delve into this tonight.

[k_a_nitz]

I've put some rough initial notes for Wellington, NZ on my dreamwidth here.

[(Anonymous)]

In London, Jupiter is in the 12th (institutions of national life) square to Saturn in the 11th (legislature) and the Moon on the cusp of the 5th (speculative & entertainment), discharging to the 6th (public health).

What does that mean?

[miow]

Could you explain (for the back of the class, like me) what that means please?

Thank You!

[(Anonymous)]

As one of your many SubscribeStar fans, I just want to say thanks for making this information available to all. The news is mostly not good, of course, but with an awareness of the likelihood of trouble it is much, much easier to not get swept up in the drama and do unhelpful stuff.

OtterGirl

[(Anonymous)]

What software do you use to generate the charts?

[ecosophia]

An old edition of SolarFire.

[(Anonymous)]

Is SolarFire the software you would recommend?

Thanks for your help!

[ecosophia]

I haven't used any others, so I don't claim to be familiar enough with the available programs to have an informed opinion.

Next year

[(Anonymous)]

For next year's radical changes can you give a hint?

Good radical or less good radical? And in what arena of life? Asking for a friend ...

MJ from MA

Re: Next year

[ecosophia]

A very mixed bag. In the US chart the Saturn-Neptune conjunction is in the 11th house, so expect dramatic legislative changes, and Mars is opposing it from the 5th; both are intercepted, Saturn and Neptune in Aries and Mars in Libra, which are not favorable placements. At the same time, Uranus is finally out of Taurus and has a sextile with the conjunction and trine with Mars, and Mercury rules the ascendant and is trine the conjunction. So the changes will benefit some and harm others.

Re: Next year

[(Anonymous)]

Uranus is still sextile with Neptune and Saturn on February 20 2026 when they conjunct 0 degrees Aries. What implications does that have on the centuries ahead?

Re: Next year

[ecosophia]

I'll be discussing that in a delineation when we get closer to that conjunction.

[jruss]

And next year is worse!?

Okay when will the stars chill out?

[ecosophia]

Nah, not necessarily worse -- just a year of really dramatic changes, which will have good and bad points. I haven't cast anything further out yet.

[jruss]

I really need to learn this stuff so I can cast for Japan and Taiwan.

[ecosophia]

Well, my book on how to do it will be out in January...

[(Anonymous)]

I know, I keep hoping for the post by JMG where he’s like: “Well, it looks like the stars are saying everything is going to copacetic and super chill.” Maybe next year. -Croatoan

[ecosophia]

I'd be delighted to have one of those. That said, when was the last time we had a year -- or even a three month period -- when everything was copacetic and super chill?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I know. But the long faded remnant of the 18 year old 90s surfer stoner kid in my soul still wants to believe. “The stars are gonna align and everything’s gonna be like really cool dude.”

[ecosophia]

If that ever happens I'll be delighted to do a public post announcing it.

[(Anonymous)]

You and me both, friend.

[(Anonymous)]

JMG, thank you for posting the predictions publicly.
As bad as Saturn's condition, the worst seems the Mars square with the Moon. We saw what Mars square did to Trump just recently. Could this be civil war promoted by foreign adversary, since moon in 7th? Is there any upcoming transits with Mars squaring the moon? Also since RX Mercury is in the foreign affairs' house conjunct Venus, wouldn't that mean lots of trickery covered up by of sweet talk towards foreign interests? ( what's new ?? )
Also notable that Mars/ male supports opposition, Venus/ female sits with the elites; could also indicate a male leading the opposition and a female elite's leader ( shaping up currently?) More intense gender wars maybe too?
Also it's picture perfect how the Jupiter is aiming the (big) arrow at Sagittarius in 10th.
Since the sun is in the 6th does it imply anything for the head's of state health or how the government will impact public health?

[ecosophia]

It could also mean war overseas driven by issues in domestic politics. One of the challenges of mundane astrology is that the trends aren't always easy to narrow down! As for the rest of it, yes, those are also possible interpretations.

[claire_58]

The Ottawa chart is the same as the Washington chart. I believe I asked you about that before. My question this time: Is it worth casting a chart for our provincial capital? We're a long way from Ottawa. Will our year be appreciably different or is it all just subsumed into the national chart?

[ecosophia]

The only answer I have, since this is an experimental chart, is to recommend that you try it, make whatever predictions you can, and then see how things turn out.

[brenainn]

Well, this is pretty much what I was expecting over the next year or so. One big, massive dumpster fire. I've found that meditating on anattā and just impermanence in general has greatly alleviated my once very high levels of anxiety that I used to get over this kind of news. What will be, will be.

[ecosophia]

Personal spiritual work is one of the classic responses to comprehensively messed up political realities, so you're in good company...

[(Anonymous)]

Youse and me, three. And many more!

[(Anonymous)]

I would not be surprised if the United States got dragged into the war in the Middle East after Israel and Lebanon and Iran escalate the war.

[drhooves]

Fascinating work, JMG. I'm guessing the next couple of years are going to be exciting for the US, but your analysis provides a basis of thought to anchor predictions across the spectrum of public life.

I was thinking the dollar would be toast sooner, rather than later, but now that I ponder that a bit more, perhaps the dollar will be temporarily shored up if a shooting war or two breaks out on the international scene. I would expect a civil war to have the opposite effect.

I'm not clear on what you mean by describing this as an "experimental chart". I believe I realize the limits of interpretation, but isn't the actual casting of the mundane chart a straight-forward process?

[ecosophia]

It's experimental because there's no track record at all of using the moment of the thema mundi as a frame for predictive charts in mundane astrology. It's not interpretation that makes it experimental but the choice of dates -- not every date produces meaningful mundane charts.

[drhooves]

Ah, thank you for the clarification. My first thought is maybe dates for some branches of astrology could be "backed out" or reverse-engineered based on the accuracy of predictions - but I suppose the complexity of the movements of the planets, sun, moon and constellations might make that a bit difficult.

What I do know is that Wikipedia sure discriminates against astrology in the "astrology and science" entry, in spite of how we know "the science" can be very limited at times in how humans understand the cosmos.

Might need to dig into this a bit more - I know that some horse handicappers use astrology though just putting together all the information for even one race can be mind boggling....but if you can pick a winner, well it might be worthwhile....

[mr_nobody1967]

Do you have any thoughts on the region of the world where this war might occur? I would nominate the Middle East with its simmering tensions between Iran and Israel. I really think that Ukraine will be pretty much done by February of next year. It would already be done if NATO weren't so furiously propping it up! I suppose if China has designs about taking Taiwan back, that could certainly also be a flashpoint.

[ecosophia]

Don't forget West Africa. European economies depend on getting African resources at a fraction of their market value, using puppet governments to legitimize the theft. African nations are starting to push back with Russian and Chinese help; I could see a major war breaking out there in the next year.

In answer to your question, though, that's not something the chart itself shows -- just that war is a real possibility.

[scotlyn]

Just to say, as a total greenhorn, I appreciated and enjoyed the post. I take it the "experimental" aspect is the way it is presuming a birthdate for the earth itself. I'd be interested in a bit of backstory about Thema Mundi, and whoever worked out that specific date, and what their reasoning involved.

The most definite such "earth birthdate" that I have known of, and I learned it while growing up evangelical, is that of Bishop Ussher, whose calculation that the earth was created at mid-day, 23rd October, 4004BC, is so very, very specific. And also, so very chart-friendly.

https://www.bethinking.org/is-there-a-creator/conflict-myths-bishop-ussher-and-the-date-of-creation

If anyone was feeling "experimentally" inclined, I suppose playing around with a chart using this creation date could be fun, too.

(No, not volunteering, at least not this year)... ;)

As to what is predicted, I'm hanging in there...

[ecosophia]

The birthdate for the world is found in the writings of the Roman astrologer Julius Firmicus Maternus, who wrote his text on astrology sometime between 334 and 337 AD. He claimed that he got the dates from two older astrologers, Asclepius and Anubius, none of whose writings survive -- nor does Firmicus give their reasons for the date.

As for Bishop Ussher's date, hmm. I thought he'd given 9:00 am as the time!

[claire_58]

Slightly off topic: You mentioned you might do a review of the recent Mars Uranus Algol conjunction chart to see if you had missed an indication of the assassination attempt on Trump. In the weeks since the conjunction there have been many events that fit your predictions based on that chart.
Will you still do the retrospective? The quick turn around between the conjunction and the effects of the conjunction make it a good lesson.

[ecosophia]

Let me see if I can find the spare time.

[claire_58]

No pressure. No worries.
Please let us know when the book is available for preorder.
Thanks,
EC

[kimberlysteele]

I am going to be the jerk in the room. There are already wars though -- Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, and many more. Unfortunately war is business as usual. If the stars predict it, they are saying "more of the same".

[ecosophia]

Ah, but the US is not officially involved in any of them. Funding and supplying them is not the same thing! This suggests a risk of US troops ending up in a shooting war.

[kimberlysteele]

Ah, I see! Yeah, that would be terrible. Our current quaxxed, DEI, alphabet-soup-friendly armed forces would get their *sses handed to them.