Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Big Picture Questions

[frittermywig]

I'm trying to formulate for myself, as precisely as possible, The Foundational Questions of the Covid Age:

Covid's arrival brought two distinct crises to the world. One, the abject failure of social institutions to safeguard their citizens' health and rights. What may have begun with incompetence and corruption became outright criminality with lockdowns and vaccine mandates. Two, the mass insanity of the citizens themselves, who celebrated --even demanded-- those corrupt and criminal actions.

How did this begin? Did the people's mass insanity give license to institutional malfeasance? Did malevolent institutional actors somehow engineer the mass insanity? Or was there an independent factor behind both crises, perhaps a spiritual force?

Re: Big Picture Questions

[homeopathic_meditations]

The why, by Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

The how, by Thomas Jefferson:
"If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions."

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

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Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

“ Did malevolent institutional actors somehow engineer the mass insanity?”

I believe so. All the major media have spoken throughout with one voice, clearly for the purpose of manipulating the people. I think that’s coordinated.

This does not preclude the possibility that malign spiritual forces are also involved. That too seems to me very likely.

I wouldn’t say that social institutions have merely failed to safeguard our health and rights. Rather, they have savagely and persistently attacked them, with the explicit purpose of destruction. This is an attempt to install permanent despotism.

This episode also seems to me like a war on human intelligence, deploying techniques designed to induce as many people as possible to ideate and behave as unintelligently as possible - with, I am sorry to say, spectacular success.

My trust in humanity has been shaken to its core, and I know I’m not alone in this. And maybe this is not an accident; perhaps it is by design. If we cannot trust in one another, how can we act together for our own common benefit?

Kevin

Re: Big Picture Questions

[frittermywig]

They have "savagely and persistently" attacked our rights, but that's not how it started. There was confusion at first-- Fauci told us not to wear masks. I think it would be a reasonable position to say the savagery was an opportunistic attack on a crazed populace. (whether or not there were spiritual forces involved.)

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

"And maybe this is not an accident; perhaps it is by design. If we cannot trust in one another, how can we act together for our own common benefit?"

There is a wonderful song, The Yew Tree, by the Scottish group Battlefield Band. It tells of an ancient yew tree that has seen a thousand years of history pass under its branches and is said to know the future. One line is particularly astute:

"When the poor hunt the poor across mountain and moor,
The rich man can keep them in chains."

It has forever been thus.

Liam in Toronto

Re: Big Picture Questions

[kimberlysteele]

That's kind of like asking which came first: the chicken or the egg?

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

Kimberly, where is your podcast interview? I cannot find it. (Maybe I am not supposed to.)

Re: Big Picture Questions

[lukedodson]

Tune in to flintandsteel.substack.com this Wednesday. ;)

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

I can't recall the source, but it spoke of that fine line between money being a means to reach your goals and money becoming the goal. Where once you cross over that space a path is set towards doing what it takes at all costs.

So much is clearly wrong, this post touched on it nicely https://www.rintrah.nl/what-lurks-beneath-the-soil/

"They think they’re doing good, but there’s this inhuman hateful force, that plays their brain like a piano whenever they feel successful and dominant."

"Evil is not what low status white males imagine it to be, 13 Illuminati bloodlines gathering together at the Bilderberg conference to discuss how to use vaccines to enrich themselves and kill off all the obsolete proles who will be replaced by machinery before they sink their fangs into a terrified child. No my friends, evil is an ugly banality. It’s the guy who screwed everything up posing for a magazine without any shame. It’s getting backrubs from a fifteen year old on Epstein’s private jet. It’s whenever you embarrass yourself, by failing to live up to what you could be."

Unfortunately I feel like I overlap in one of these spaces (taking steps to exit), but I would say there is truly no awareness of the insanity except from that perceived of those opposed to mandates and what they believe in. There is celebration of greed, pride, excess, the greater good, and it's just accepted as good. It reminds me of this video which discussed how over the past several decades artists "selling out" went from a pejorative to the celebrated goal.

This quote came to mind from Ursula K Le Guin
"The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist; a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain.”

I'm not sure if any of this was helpful, I think there is just so much complexity that it is truly impossible to see it all and know in a way.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[scotlyn]

Lovely quote. Thank you for that!

Re: Big Picture Questions

[fredsmith11]

Well I'm white and male, but I like to think I'm not low status.

"Evil is not what low status white males imagine it to be, 13 Illuminati bloodlines gathering together at the Bilderberg conference to discuss how to use vaccines to enrich themselves and kill off all the obsolete proles who will be replaced by machinery before they sink their fangs into a terrified child."

Question: What do you think the Bilderberg conference is for?

The jabs surely enriched Big Pharma and their stockholders and killed off a lot of obsolete proles.

Industrial, corporate and retail automation looks like a thing to me.

What do you think Epstein was up to and who was he doing it for? An impressive list of public figures on his guest list Yes? How do you think he committed suicide in his 24 hour watched cell?

Many people are desperate to believe that Big Gov, Big Tech, Big Pharma et al really do have our best interests at heart, but have perhaps made a few mistakes, small though they are, recently. But don't worry, the next election will fix those. That's one reason why the propaganda works so well.

On the other hand, you're right evil is also banal. Some people are ratbags plain and simple. Don't know why, they just are. I'm in my late 60s and still get sucked in by ratbags from time to time, because I make the mistake of assuming they're decent and honest.

COVID has brought to the fore for me the importance of discernment, including consciously and deliberately assessing if I want to engage with certain people.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

re: "COVID has brought to the fore for me the importance of discernment, including consciously and deliberately assessing if I want to engage with certain people."

I can say the same.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[frittermywig]

Yeah, Rintrah/Radagast seems to have a bee in his bonnet about "low status white males." I still like his writing a lot.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't doubt there is horrible things going on at this places. But I think generally speaking it seems more likely that people are aligned socioeconomically and just inherently know to look out for and act in their collective best interests.

I really don't know with the vaccine, the reason DOD stories are something else, perhaps that is where the demons are, having experimented on their own troops in the past and done tons of other horrific activities in the name of defense.

Unfortunately I don't think anyone will ever really know who are the exact heads of this machinery, who knows how many heads there really are too? One head goes down how many pop up to take their place?

I am leaning into conscientious objection to this all going forward when I can, what else is there but to say no thanks, I don't want to participate in the latest thing, I am right here doing my own thing.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

This is the treason of the artist

This is what I'm atoning for, myself

E

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

I think one important aspect is an increasing tendency towards herdlike behavior, especially a shift towards seeing truth as a matter of consensus rather than external reality. Some contributing factors:

1. The long-term evolutionary trajectory of our species towards greater socialization/domestication.

2. The internet becoming central to everyone's life: Big Brother is watching, and the constant blitz of information makes it hard to think things through.

3. The Age of Limits increasing the consequences of deviance, e.g. wokeness as a reaction to economic precarity in media and academia.

4. Economic and technical specialization habituates people to outsourcing their decisions.

We should also look at it from the other end: what made some people not fall for it? Why am I posting on this forum instead of masking up to get my 8th booster?

1. I'm a cynical misfit.

2. A lifetime of complex medical issues taught me that doctors often have no idea what they're doing.

3. My education and first-hand experience with scientific research innoculated me against scientism.

4. Skepticism of technology, independent of the above.

5. A secure income, a modest lifestyle, and a solitary disposition shield me from many sources of pressure.

What about the rest of you?

Sawdust

Re: Big Picture Questions

[frittermywig]

Sounds like you broadly agree with Mattias Desmet's diagnosis of the situation: It's our alienation that makes us ripe for mass movements.

your mini-bio sounds a lot like me. I would add that I'm Gen X and from a broken home, so used to being skeptical of 'grown up' truth claims.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

I share quite a few of those items with you.

One unusual part of my past which helped me detect the fishy whiff of propaganda early on was a background of traveling in and studying the USSR and Eastern Europe.

The widespread torture of official statistics here over the past three years also reminds me of what the Soviets used to do. You can even tease out bits of truth in the same way.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[scotlyn]

It is my view that there are always BOTH centripetal AND centrifugal forces operating within human society and within the human individuals that make it up. Social "centres" which become very heavy and centralised are what we know as "civilisations", but even as they form there are individuals who stride away from the centre, sometimes acquiring names (which are generally given from the perspective of the civilised, who write these things down) such as "tribal" "backward" "uncouth" "primitive" "barbarian" and etc. However there are always "civilised" individuals moving outward, sometimes as far as to become "barbarian" and there are always "barbarian" individuals moving towards the centre, sometimes as far as to become "civilised". People tend to think, and I was certainly educated to think, that these are completely distinct evolutionary phases, but nowadays I am more inclined to agree with James C Scott and others who argue that "civilised" and "barbarian" are political choices in a larger picture landscape, that represents the choice of whether to be governed or not. Scott says "tribalism and ethnicity begin where states and taxes end".

I think what is happening on these threads, is that both the centripetal (centre-seeking) forces and the centrifugal (outward-seeking) forces are strongly operational, and people are feeling both pulled, and also are personally inclined, more one way or the other.

It should go without saying, that, having a barbarian, ungovernable, sensibility myself, I am utterly comfortable in the company of those who are "outward bound" and more willing to govern themselves. However, those who are "centre-bound" also have their story and their reality, and are part of the pattern of the whole. There are always costs, no matter which direction you move. There are always benefits, too.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[team10tim]

1) INTP Meyers-Briggs

2) Scientific training, physics.

3) I saw a couple of things that weren't what we were told at an early age. Peak oil for example, the huge disconnect between what governments were saying and what their military's were saying.

4) I read Chompsky's Manufacturing Consent and was aware of the huge consolidation of media that had taken place and the effects of advertising which changed the focus from facts and rational thought to emotionally driven infotainment.

5) As a kid my parents played Propaganda, by Wiffin'Poof, with me and I studied logic.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

All three of those hypotheses are accurate. Which one might be most accurate? That's very hard to say.

The demonic efflorescence we're living through on this planet at the moment is very much a result of divine influences. There are both disturbed gods as well as plenty of fallen angels behind the current pathetic state of affairs.

Then there is the spiritually-sanitized materialist worldview that gave us such delightful boons as unfettered capitalism, sprawling industrial waste, and the ever-popular The Science™. That demonic worldview seems to specialize in creating malevolent institutions, which have been engineering mass insanity for centuries now. Materialism’s disciples and handmaidens can be viewed as independent actors or as tiny cogs in its huge grinding gears.

Given that it is humans who have become so demon infested of late, humanity's propensity to mass insanity appears to be playing a not insignificant role as well. As far as I can tell, squirrels haven't been succumbing to mass delusion or shredding their social contract any more than usual. Even lemmings only end up falling into suicidal frenzies when disturbed human scientists force them into it (so as to conform to their equally disturbed theories.)

It’s a bit of a chicken-or-egg question. These three imbalances all arose at about the same time — is any one of them causing the others, or are they all simply reflections of each other? It’s worth pondering, but infinitely more visionary and magical is putting our energy into contemplating how the world looks as those three imbalances naturally fade back into a more balanced equilibrium.

— Christophe

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

I find it amazing that photographers such as Edward Burtynsky document the Anthropocene
- 'awe'-full (in a weird way) landscapes of industrial waste, etc...
and few in the 'cultural milieu' who celebrate his work
would think to relate it to their own body.

It's almost as if 'demonic influence' or 'social madness' abstract the whole thing, saying
'The more the merrier' to
processes of 'gunking it up.'

Re: Big Picture Questions

[frittermywig]

Thanks, Christophe. You and Kimberly Steele (above) both use the chicken-and-egg analogy. I guess it's not really super sharp analysis on my part to say, 'well, it has either a material or a spiritual ultimate cause.'

Maybe it's my utilitarian upbringing that wants to fix this mess we're in, and to do that I want a proper diagnosis of the situation. Fixing broken stuff and fighting bad people seems an easier path than being patient and prayerful.

Re: Big Picture Questions

[(Anonymous)]

Western governments and media (same thing) went to war with their own citizens, treating them (still) like enemies of the state by default and their very existence as troublesome.

Here's the set of messages I see spouted on social media on the regular:

If you don't stay home/mask/test/vax, you are going to infect and kill people with covid.
If you live in the lifestyle that they pushed on you since birth, you are going to cause climate change and kill people.
If you don't support the latest social crisis pushed by the media, you must want other people to die you racist/homophobic Nazi.
If you ask questions and present an opposing view, you need to be censored because you will kill people.

The insanity we see in the population is in their agreeing with the above points, or opposing them. I went to a presentation yesterday where everyone masked and sat 6 feet apart because "that's what good people do". I'm beginning to think the people complying with this craziness still think there's a point where they win. Ha ha.

People who don't pay attention to media at all, are fine. There's no insanity.