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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Bad cat does not agree: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/emily-osters-no-good-really-bad-terrible

65 now!
Thank you John M. Greer, for keeping on this freedom space for every people not zombified yet by MSM, Big Pharma and PMC governments.Sincerely, thanks!

-A Spaniard.

She's not the only one:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-murderous-hypocrites-outrage-ensues-after-atlantic-suggests-amnesty-pandemic

The short form is that Oster is getting savagely ratioed on Twitter, with thousands of comments ripping into her and calling for Nuremberg-style trials instead. It's brutal.

This classic song by "The Chicks" comes prominently to mind.

Oh that’s so sad, so so so so sad, it’s a nine hanky story, I’m laughing my a__ - er, it’s very upsetting indeed.

Someone on the last thread referred to Emily Oster as "some random Atlantic writer."

But she's not "some random Atlantic writer," she's *the famous author of /Expecting Better/* (a currently extremely popular guide to pregnancy).

Her *whole thing* has always been that, for any given decision, everyone should look at the data and make up their own minds instead of just listening to proclamations from "experts." That is the entire premise of /Expecting Better/. She got severely attacked for it, too.

(Her problem when it comes to the covid shot is, I think, that she's been believing fraudulent studies. Remember the study of pregnant women that was forced to issue a correction of their data but then never altered their conclusion? How about the Gardasil studies that included the adjuvant in the placebo arm and failed to disclose this in the study, so you had to do a deep dive to find out? Oster has done research surveys where she looked at the conclusions of many studies; I suspect she has not had the time for deep dives.)

Leading lights in the covid-shot-skeptic community would do well to keep this background in mind lest they ruin their credit with young moms--who are, after all, often those choosing whether or not to give the shot to 6-month-olds. Sometimes in the face of a doctor's threat to fire their baby as a patient if they don't.

-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

If anyone is looking for a supporting claim to back up censorship a good example I've found is suggesting people look up World Council for Health via google and seeing how many attempts there are to steer a first time searcher away from the results. What I think is clever is once you have navigated through the roadblocks to discourage you it is no longer an issue.

But I was very surprised the first time I searched it to have the autofill push wikipedia to the top of results, to have the WHO appear at the top of the list of results, and a misleading Global Health Council alternative appear.

I was simply trying to search the site like I would any other, using autofill suggestions if they seemed to line up and I felt like I encountered several roadblocks and checkpoints that would let me move on to the next step or ty to redirect me. But only on the first try, afterwards it was fine.

The wikipedia article is also incredible. Like any credible encyclopedia would open with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_for_Health
"The World Council for Health is a pseudo-medical organisation dedicated to spreading misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and promoting fake COVID-19 treatments."

Meanwhile the resources on the website seem to be focused on getting outside, limiting time on devices, eating well balanced diets, exercise, etc. Very basic and calm articles.

I'm sure there are many examples floating around, but I think it's a good example of something that can be taken for granted. Which is that links/results are being provided in line with what you were actually searching.

Ah, I hope everyone is enjoying the new somewhat differently censored Twitter.

Im no fan of social media or Elon Musk but I'd be willing to entertain a wager this wouldn't be possibly in yesterday's Twitter

jmg

Medicines are even cheaper than that in India. I am on medication (totally unrelated to Covid), and I take a low-intensity dose of a generic drug every night, as prescribed. There are ten pills in each strip (I have to take one every night), and the cost of two such strips together is still a little under USD 1.00.

>Except, they weren't “in the dark” about Covid. There were numerous sources pointing out the actual science that ran contrary to the mandate claims, and they were deliberately silenced by a vast media campaign.

OK but, does he hear himself? They *were deliberately silenced*. So *many people didn't hear them*!

For goodness' sake. I read here about Emily Oster getting ratio'd on Twitter, meanwhile my dad is hell-bent on getting the booster because his doctor told him to. Even today there are still many people for whom the silencing succeded at keeping information from them. Which, I mean, that was its goal so...is it really so surprising that not everyone managed to find the spots on the internet that were routing around the censorship?

The most I could say to my dad--that is, sources he'd accept, that haven't been defenestrated--was (a) 8 mice, Dr. Paul Offit and (b) other countries don't recommend it for under-50. But he's over 50 so...

IDK I think the quoted writer wants there to be fewer people who were genuinely fooled than there actually are. Actually the defenestrations worked and many people, people who would've easily seen the fraud if they'd looked...didn't even look. They just "trusted the experts" (or fraudulent abstracts, see also "you have to pay $50+ to look at the whole study") instead.

-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

Hello all, just re-posting this as it was very late in the week's cycle on the other thread.

Hello, on the topic of sustainable medicine for the future, please can anyone in the JMG commentariat help me with this?

I am looking to find out what a family doctor would have had in the way of a home laboratory setup in a village surgery in the first half of the twentieth century. From historical fiction and the resources I already have (home nursing manual and pharmacopeia from the era) it seems there might have been say a surgery attached to a family home of the doctor, and there might also be a practice nurse and a midwife who lived in the village and shared the practice, and the health care team might do some lab tests in the surgery. In a town there might also be a pharmacist/chemist's shop which would prepare and supply the medicines needed, and in rural areas that dispensing would be done directly from the surgery.

So, some electricity, probably: battery torches, lamps and so on at least for inspection and procedures.

A gas or stove top autoclave for sterilizing equipment.

A light microscope, glass slides, and typical staining materials.

Probably a bunsen burner, running from a gas bottle, and test tubes and reagents for the tests.

What tests would this team be doing?

Full blood count I can think of, what else? I know proteinuria is important for detecting pre-eclampsia -- there's a bit about the tests here including that one based on heating is a valid test https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK705/ so that's another for my list, and it could be I will carve out my next slice of hobby time getting hold of that text (Clinical Methods: The History, Physical, and Laboratory Examinations) unless someone advises a better one.

What kind of stains would have been useful for village scale diagnostics?

Plus two replies already (Thank you. Great.):

Date: 2022-11-01 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A string-and-paper centrifuge powered by hand.
Useful in non-electrified locales

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0026

Date: 2022-11-01 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Interesting question.

Simply growing cultures of bacteria taken from a throat sample and the like should be doable and worthwhile.

I guess it might be doable to grow and harvest antibiotics like penicillin. Same goes for keeping phages around. Not sure there but probably very worthwhile if at all possible.

Detecting poisonous substances comes to mind. Heavy metals, radon, mushrooms, berries and all the things.

? ratioed ?

I repost the Nebulator reply

https://t.me/thenebulator/833

A professor named Emily Oster — who seems to have been an outspoken Covidian cultist — is now arguing on the pages of the Atlantic (of course) that bygones should be bygones and there ought to be an "amnesty" for things done during the pandemic because, you see, people acted with the best intentions but just didn't know, etc. etc.

Of course Oster herself had zero tolerance for anyone who didn't subscribe to her gospel of social distancing, lockdowns, "vaccines" and so forth — but now that the energy has shifted and the millions of people whose lives her cult had wrecked are thirsting for vengeance (but would settle for accountability), here comes the moral blackmail: hey, that would not be nice, and you want to be nice, don't you?

Americans are in their current position now because for far too long they have allowed themselves to be manipulated like this. To paraphrase that famous quote from Frank Herbert's Dune Messiah: "When I am stronger than you I deny you mercy because that is according to my principles; ; when I am weaker than you I ask you for mercy because that is according to your principles."

No more.

The latest round of SARS-CoV2 "super-variants" seem to be causing rather limited and unremarkable waves of infection that are already receding across Europe and Asia, and that have not yet taken off (if they are going to do so) in the US. (http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/) The jury is still out on whether they represent a step up in virulence/severity from BA.1/2/4/5, but if so it appears to be relatively minor.

Meanwhile, other seasonal illnesses are getting off to a roaring start, especially RSV with flu cases rising fast. https://syndromictrends.com/

Last week someone posted some data from the mRNA vaccine trials indicating that they may increase RSV incidence in children - which could well be contributing to the current wave, or especially to the more severe cases ending up in pediatric hospitals. RSV is an interesting virus in that multiple attempts to vaccinate against it in the past have resulted in worsened illness, in one case raising hospitalization rates from 5% to 80% (https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/89/4/422/198849). So it is clear that tweaks to infant/childhood immunity can worsen this virus, and it remains to be seen whether the current covid mRNA vaccination is one of those tweaks.

(News flash: Pfizer is developing a new whiz-bang RSV vaccine [although not mRNA] that is specifically given to pregnant women and could be approved by the end of the year, and that is of course totally safe and effective. More starfish-corn possibilities... https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2022-11-01/strong-rsv-vaccine-data-lifts-hopes)

Overall, it looks to me like - unless we have some real surprises - the spike protein-vascular damage-blood clotting-sudden death-neurological issues-autoimmunity-excess mortality-"let's call it long covid" story of delayed vax toxicity exacerbated by negative efficacy is going to be predominant over acute infectious disease concerns this winter season, with no obvious signs yet of GVB's oft-predicted ADE disaster.

I have been reading about this. Here is the thing: three of my four kids got the vaccine. One of them, my oldest daughter, was a true believer and said that unless I got the vaccine I would not be welcome in her home, nor would I be allowed to see my grandchild. Then one day over the past year, without any discussion, I was suddenly welcome to babysit, come to their house, hang out together, etc. No discussion. Have I forgiven and forgotten? No. But here is the thing: my daughter and son-in-law may die from the vaccine side effects. Particularly because they both have stressful jobs that put them at high risk and one has comorbidities. There is no telling what might happen or when. So I am enjoying whatever time I have with them. I don't know if they vaccinated the my grandchild -- I asked them not to and then shut up.

So whenever someone says we should forgive and forget, my response in my head is "You might die soon from that shot(s)." Not forgiving or forgetting, just acknowledging most of them are short-timers...

In the novel Cranford, a bunch of old ladies with meager incomes have to sacrifice the last of their stores of candles and oil for lamps to allow a night-time emergency surgery to take place. So maybe a bicycle on a stand for recharging batteries, or powering a really bright bike lamp would be good to have on hand?

A quick re-post from the tail end of last week. Thanks for humoring me.

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I’d like to put out a prayer request please. My best childhood friend is in the hospital, clearly shot related. They are unaware of the cause. Any good juju aimed that way would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Murmuration

I’ve seen the same thing. I know a whole city full of aggressively bamboozled people who will never wake up *no matter what*. All their school kids could die of mRNA injections and they’d blame it on MAGA, long Covid and global warming.

Maybe if Fauci and his ilk publicly confessed to their crimes while in the dock, perhaps a few would open their eyes. That’s the only thing I can think of that might do it. And I wouldn’t count on even that.

My inner redneck still likes rock 'n roll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fln9vDCTNPQ

I’m afraid I can’t contribute anything useful, but I just want to say I’m very glad somebody’s doing this. I can picture circumstances where I’d be very grateful to have such services available. Also, it sounds like it might at be foundational to the alternative health care professions with which we need to displace the medical cartel’s death-dealing sickness hostage racket (thanks to Mr. Kunstler for that apt phrase).

Best wishes for your childhood friend's health!

Slang in some forums: if the ratio of negative comments to positive ones is really bad, you've been ratioed.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

The moon is bright blue.

https://anonymouswire.com/we-were-lied-to-ben-shapiro-finally-admits-he-was-wrong-to-promote-vaccines/

Ben Shapiro has just admitted that he was wrong to push the vaccines. He said, right out there in public: “It is now perfectly clear that we were lied to. And we were lied to at a very high level and from very, very early on by both the vaccine companies, in terms of the ability of the vaccine to prevent transmission, and … by our politicians who apparently knew better.”

Ratio-ed is the ratio between likes and comments. The idea being, I guess, that comments are more likely to be negative while likes are always positive. Last time I looked, the tweet's likes were around 2k and the number of comments was around 30 k. So, ratio-ed

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