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The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.

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Hello all:

Last weeks the issue with dreams had been going hard over here. Last week there were the issue of the nature of the ‘problem’, be it demonic or divine.

I didn’t participate before in this issue, but I’ve also had a dream, but that was weeks before the Hypothesis by JMG was published. Las week comments on the possible nature of the issue made me re-think about that.

So, it’s gonna be long, and my english is poor, so if you are not interested or think this is pointless, forget about this.

My dream started as a walk by the countryside with my wife, daughter and a little dog we had that passed away by 2016. We were on my father’s patch of land (that I currently own but I can’t take care of), when I was hanging from a branch of an orange tree a little creature, like a bat, but bigger, although I knew somehow that it was really young, a baby, but it was ‘übernatural’ (that was the word, in german although I’m spanish… but learning german).

Then, on the way back home we came the same way, but the creature had been transformed. Now, under the same tree there were a nest of wood, with two black creatures and a little dog.

The black creatures looked like a calaverig dog. And the little dog was turned back to me, watching me with happy eyes, but with some sadness too.

Then, some knowledge appeared into my mind: those creadures were demonic, ‘bad animals from the unterworld’ that were feeding from the little dog alive (hence his suffering). They were feeding from alive creatures, they were already breeding, rising an army of such creatures.

They had a power: they erase the will of any creature within a range (that was growing, they were still young and ‘powerless’) and supplant it by their own will. That is what they had done to that little dog, that came to see them to be their food (and happy to be what he – them wanted, despite the obvious suffering and pain).

The army they were breeding soon will devour a big bunch of humans turning human will into those creatures will. A ‘mass casualty event’.

Then, I raised two questions: who/whom let them in – unanswered, and for how long – months to years.

Then suddenly, one of the creatures turned its ugly head to us. Our little dog run away from us, then we went after her, while going away as fast as possible from those creatures. I realised that they range was growing and we were close to it.

Soon, I loose my wife and my daughter from sight, but finally I found the little dog. Then I went after my daughter.

When I was close to her, a man appeared in the opposite direction, to the creatures, searching for a dog.

I begin to advise him that that was a one way ticket, straight to death.

Then, my wife made me know that better if I shut up, that man could be already in the creatures hands, and that may raise their awarenes about us. So better pick our daughter and run home ASAP. She was also on the way, but the man may be lost: there is absolutely nothing we can do about.

Then, I felt safe, all of us, and I wake up. But I had lots of anger at what will happen to humankind. It was pretty clear that this would be really nasty, and human made, not Covid.

My thoughts are that those creatures are let alone here by some entity, and since this is an issue of will, that will not return back, the conclusion I draw is that is something driven by some angry God. Not my preferred option, though.

These last days I had been thinking about it again, and the substitution of will by ‘others’’ resonates to me with MSM… and the result, as we can witness with Canada is anything but nice, although much less dangerous than what I understand from my dream (a really massive casualty ‘event’… although long in time).

But I have the feeling that the worst part is just around the corner, about to emerge…

I’m sorry if I had been too long.

Best regards to everybody, and thanks again to JMG for hosting this space.

Beamspot.

Major news agencies have reported that the CDC has withheld covid data because it was concerned that the data would be misinterpreted. This is a major admission and it has been covered on the NYT, MSN, Bloomberg, CNN, Yahoo, and NBC. I don't know why the CDC would admit this or why the MSM would suddenly start covering content that is critical of the government's handling of covid.

My guess is setting things up for someone to take the fallout, but that only creates more questions.

Thanks to whomever posted the Naomi Wolf article last thread. I read it this morning. It was awesome.

It got me wondering though, is this one of the precursors, the second religiosity JMG has written about so often. Whatever a persons religion is, or may in the future be, I definitely appreciate the ability to talk about matters of the numinous and luminous. I hope people can have interfaith discussions in a civil way if this is indeed an earmark towards the return of people towards religion & spiritual matters.

Here is the article again for those who may have missed it:

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/is-it-time-for-intellectuals-to-talk?utm_source=url

May Peace Abide in this Forum!

Tamara Lich has been denied bail. Arrested and detained on the charge of "counseling to commit mischief", she is now a political prisoner. Dark days indeed for Canada. I feel angry and helpless, and I have no idea what to do in the face of this wave of authoritarian oppression.

https://torontosun.com/news/canada/canadian-press-newsalert-ottawa-protest-organizer-tamara-lich-denied-bail

Tim PW

Here in the UK, Sage advisory body, the government scientists, are predicting a new hyper lethal varient that can kill up to 35 percent of the people it infects.
Which is strange, first there is no way they can know that in advance and also their previous prediction were mostly wrong and have significantly damaged their reputation.
Also so far covid has only had a 0.3 percent death rate, highly concentrated in the elderly population with several co-morbidities.
A rate of 35 percent would put it on par with the black death.
Assuming everyone in the UK caught it, that would put the death toll well above 20 million. Thats quite an extreme prediction to make even more so considering the amount of criticism they are already facing for their previously wrong forecast.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10527921/Now-SAGE-warns-Boris-weeks-bonfire-Covid-rules.html

Kind regards
Sean

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/02/just-scandalous-cdc-withholding-most-of-the-covid-data-it-gathers-what-is-it-trying-to-hide.html

Also, some comments from IM Doc, a doctor who has been in practice for decades and is currently working in a smallish, well-to-do blue city in flyover:

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Some IM Doc doozies. From August:

I was informed today by the Health Dept that they have absolutely zero way of tracking correctly vaccinated cases. In that they do not have the ability to retrospectively find out which vaccination the person has had. So there is no way the CDC will be having this kind of detail, unless other states are doing this. I seriously kind of doubt it. It is now looking more and more that it is going to be up to local physicians like myself.

And November:

When you have been doing this as long as I have, you have a memory of what happened before and with that comes certain expectations about what should be happening now. I think that is what separates the older than 55 crowd from the under 40 crowd.

We do not even have to go back to AIDS. I am thinking of the last 2 events in my career where there was exceptional involvement from the CDC. In 2018, we had the vaping crisis. In 2012 or thereabouts, we had the West Nile issue. Although that virus had been with us since 2001 here in the USA, it really exploded in the summer of 2012 in the Deep South in the USA. I will not include the 2014 Ebola problem. The CDC was very involved there but that never really had to be taken nationally, these other 2 examples did.

In both cases, there was frequent, at times weekly updating from the CDC about treatment options and guidelines. There was intense discussion of what seemed to be working and what did not. In both cases, these treatment options were obviously non-approved for these purposes by the FDA. There was a crisis, and this is what we have available, and this is how you should be using them. This is what works. This is what does not work. And this is our evidence why we feel the way we do. This was constant from the CDC in both cases.

That has simply not happened at all in COVID. Here we are 2 years into this. There is not a single shred of treatment advice from the CDC outside of the inpatient setting. Let’s face it – most antiviral efforts have to be done immediately. That would mean where I work in an outpatient setting is the golden hour. If we wait till the patients are in the hospital they are going to have much worse outcomes. The agencies are saying nothing about outpatient therapy and have put forth nothing. We have worldwide studies on fluvoxamine, ivermectin, HCQ, steroids, VIT D, VIT C, Zinc, and I am sure there are many others. We now have monoclonal AB. A question – have you ever heard Dr. Fauci discuss monoclonal AB in a positive way? If you have please show it to me.

There has been no guidance at all about any of these therapy options. There has been lots of censoring, hectoring, belittling, and confusion. It is unusual to find a physician willing to engage any of these therapies, despite some of them having overwhelming positive signals in early outpatient therapy.

There is not ONE single bullet. By now, 2 years into this we should be throwing all kinds of things at these patients – anti-virals, anti-clotting agents, anti-inflammatory agents. But we are doing nothing.

Again, our CDC has done nothing to help with this at all. NOTHING. Not only the CDC. In previous events, there was treatment advice flowing from medical schools around the country. CRICKETS.

We have gone all in on the vaccine approach and have done so from the beginning.

Now, the bill is due. My office is literally flooding with vaxxed and boosted patients that are very ill. We are in a precarious situation with the hospitals of America. They are in much worse shape employee-wise than many Americans would dare dream.

I feel all alone. I feel it is my sworn job to keep as many of these people safe and out of the hospital as possible. But there is literally no help from the CDC at all VAX VAX VAX. Here is the problem – about 85% of these patients in my practice that are now positive and getting sicker by the day are already VAXED Many of them boostered. We are in the middle of a crisis with the hospitals – and we simply cannot fill them up the way we have.

I have never felt so shat on professionally in my life. I am having to weave together treatment protocols from multiple sources. And hope for the best that we can survive.

The idea of Covid Accountability needs to be pushed hard by everyone who can.

All that means, we really cannot yet say, as much remains unknown. It's too early for -public - talk about perpetrators or sanctions to be a useful strategy. But the idea that we must find out what and how it happened, and act to make sure it is never repeated, should be non-controversial and an easy idea to mainstream.

Covid Accountability needs to be part of every political discussion, by all parties. We've been told Covid is an global, existential threat, so there can be no argument against comprehensive global accounting of it's genesis and unfolding.

Even advocates of the Great Reset / Build Back Better should want Covid Accountabiity.

Me: "We need Covid Accountability"

My NPC sister: "What do you mean? It's no one's fault, it's a mutated bat virus."

Me: "Right. So we need an accounting of how it became a human pandemic, so it doesn't happen again. Next time we might not get so lucky with warp-speed vaccines."

Sister: "Yeah, that makes sense."

Back on the fourth open post, when you introduced the demon hypothesis, you wrote the following:

"Once the demons get as many people ensnared in their trap as they reasonably can, their efforts will shift to tormenting those victims with misery and despair; the breakdown of the mainstream coronavirus narrative, I think, marks the point at which they've begun to wind up the first half of their activities and pile into the second. Those of us who didn't fall for it will be of little interest once that shift is mostly complete; I expect to see the corporate media shift accordingly from demanding vaccine mandates to spreading the first unwelcome news that something is very, very wrong with the vaccines."

With the NYTimes now criticizing the CDC for withholding vaccine data, the CBC starting to ask if the boosters are worth it for young adults, and Denmark wrapping up their entire Covid-19 response altogether, we seem to be well on our way. It seems like this was an accurate prediction, and although it seems likely that some of the restrictions will remain for quite some time (ex: it seems like crossing international borders will require a vaccine for a while yet), most of the restrictions which matter are being wound down even in Canada.

I'm hoping things will enter a period of stability once these are wound down, but it feels to me like we're entering the calm before the storm...

It does seem that by evoking the Emergencies Act prime minister Turducken *wants* a civil war.

The recent Joe Rogan podcast with Maajid Nawaz explains a lot.

There should be an upcoming day of solidarity, "Hug an unvaxxed person" day. Talk to them.

Well, if the basic hypothesis is right, this is probably a sign we're about to reach the point where a lot of people start dying...

That's an oddly specific prediction, all things considered.

Every time I see this sort of thing, I wonder if this isn't some sort of foreknowledge of the extent of ADE coming.

Well if you're expecting a mass casualty event from auto-immune side effects, that would line up.

I'm not. I'm just expecting a gradual, alarming increase in random cardiovascular, auto-immune, and neurological illnesses. That seems more likely cause catastrophe really doesn't happen very often.

But I'm no prophet, I'm just a dude in the southern US with an internet connection and a distrust of authority :)

-deathcap

Here is the updated .epub (open ebook format) of the hypothesis and all open threads and comments
https://mega.nz/file/oAgmgBBQ#6rE2VreJbf2Og1e4HFThoGj6nTKHCN2G5MS3ctzSHmg

A single .html(archived as zip) file that has all the posts and comments, you can just decompress it and open it in your browser and you can search pretty fast in it
https://mega.nz/file/8AhS0JaL#j1fU-WzH9utwiwoUha8h2rlFvMkx8UIXDsi2tsn8Q_o

Now bonus the situation with the gets in the previous open post

First there are only gets of number 7, which is very interesting if not for the fact that there also three 4 digit gets of 7 in a post, it never happen, there was only one in all the threads since the begining:

three 4 digits gets:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26327777#cmt26327777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26487777#cmt26487777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26647777#cmt26647777

nine 3 digits gets
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26359777#cmt26359777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26391777#cmt26391777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26423777#cmt26423777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26455777#cmt26455777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26519777#cmt26519777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26551777#cmt26551777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26583777#cmt26583777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26615777#cmt26615777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26743777#cmt26743777

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26551777#cmt26551777
is about 777 comments

given that the post is about gods wrath could it be that the god in question is the god of 7: Saturn?

JMG - do you have any thoughts on the Ukraine developments of the past 24 hours? Do you think there is a good chance that things go sideways? I can't help but recall "Twilight's Last Gleaming." Interesting that it came out the same year as the Ukraine coup.

I remember years ago a course on social psychology. The teacher said “WE won, THEY lost.”

It was a reference to sports teams. Your team won the championship? “WE won!”

Your team lost the championship “THEY lost.”

I’ve always been on the lookout for this line of reasoning. People back quickly off of a losing horse. They don’t want to be associated with losing. They also pile on a win they quite literally had nothing to do with.

It’s a useful line because you can see the MSM doing this now. Like they weren’t cheerleading it the entire time. In the hopes that people will forget they were involved or had any culpability. One of the reasons this works is because their fans did the same thing.

“The government has lost and failed etc.”
“They lost.”

The trouble with these reports is that very few people read them carefully enough to understand exactly what was written. The 'prediction of a new hyper lethal variant' in that article reads as follows (emphasis mine):

"It warned of a 'realistic **POSSIBILITY**' that a variant **COULD** spawn that is just as lethal as other coronaviruses known to strike humans, such as MERS, which has a 35 per cent case fatality rate. Mutations are more likely while circulation of the virus is high, the panel said.

Referencing the document in its minutes, SAGE warned that the scenario — which they've already floated before — remained a 'valid' **POSSIBILITY**. But the report also admitted that it was **EQUALLY REALISTIC** that the virus will mutate to become **LESS** lethal over time."

'Possibility' and 'certainty' are really big, really important words to scientists. If asked whether it is **possible** that a natural disaster **could** stop the truckers' convoy next week, I would have to say 'Yes, that is possible." Why is it possible? Only because we do not know of anything that renders it utterly impossible. That does **NOT** mean such a thing is at all likely to happen, and it does **NOT** mean I predicted it would or should.

Please, everyone, read carefully so that you do not succumb to the propagandists.

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

I think they're just going with worst-case-scenario CFR from MERS.

the convoy is leaving tomorrow, 2/23, and if they stay on schedule will arrive in dc on 3/5. the route can be found on their website: https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/

- p coyle

It's kind of a stretch to say they're predicting a hyper lethal variant. It sounds like they're saying that there is no guarantee that the next variant will be mild, and it could even be comparable to MERS, another novel coronavirus that has a 35% fatality rate. However, they also acknowledge that the next variant might be mild as well.

I read it not so much as a prediction of doom as a warning that we don't know the future and this virus might yet surprise us.

Mark L

I agree, it's usually nonstop stories how random stuff can give you a heart attack.
The sage prediction is somewhat strange. Just way out there.
However it does fit with jmg original prediction.
Also here in the UK the government has been lying about how many people are foxed.
Kind regards
Sean

Thanks for sharing.

Ive had an unusual dream as well. Its very rare for me to dream something and still remember it vividly.

In this dream I was looking for my father. I searched in the location where he celebrated the wedding to his second wife.
In this place there were lots of very sick people lying on the floor, in agony and bleeding. Nobody else seemed to notice them, tho.

I searched for my father without helping them, tho, not sure why. I might have thought that they were beyond help, maybe I didnt want to get too close to them because I was scared. That part isnt clear to my anymore.

After a while I found my father. He was in a bad state as well, disfigured in some way, mishaped somehow, but still in better condition than most of the others.
I could pick him up easily and carried him out of there. Then I woke up...

Not sure what to make of that.
Oh, and the german word is "übernatürlich", sorry for the nitpick, but you said you were learning.

greetings from germany.

Just the guys with the spreadsheets having some fun.
Once your reputation is shredded you can go all in.

Well correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t our illustrious host say something eerily similar back in August.
Concerning endgame…

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