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With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.
(red and other) herrings murmurate too
So, I've not been able to reconcile the convenience of their existence and self-stated goals and projects with a sense that they're a foil of some sort.
But maybe they're not.
I've been thinking too about the North American drive toward Tamanous. And watching as we all try to figure out what the best response(s) is/are. I'm beginning to recognize that tamanous-move in all these conversations: Here are some people doing this, here are some others doing that, here's how I'm dealing with the stress, etc. Tamanous is like beauty - hard to define, but you know it when you see it.
What it requires is NOT a recipe or a pattern or a prescription other than: read your own heart; be responsible to and responsive from the heart; rely on spirit.
Schwab et al (whether or not they are red herrings) demand the opposite in all ways: "rely on us, on government, do nothing for yourself; consume happily" - organizationally approved seals (on your website and backside) mark correct-think. Transition-town guy probably had a good idea but if he were to maintain true tamanous-connection-inspiration (which maybe he couldn't since he's not in North America), transition town as an option would only ever be a locally defined thing. Once it went "global" and got ashokified and started mouthing catchphrases, it was over.
All the things we do must inherently refrain from global definition. That's the litmus test. Obviously we live in this era in which we think the "revolution" has to be coherent across time and place and among diverse groups (the US convoy has lost the direct-line to heart in some way, by repeating what the Canadians did - it lacks a life of its own and what we need now is more things with lives of their own). I think this is where this situation varies from the "revolutions" of eras past - this is an inner work. It can and will manifest in the outer as well, but just as each of us may have different viral symptoms, we're all going to reveal different manifestations of the inner work. Our heartbeats vary from each others, though they all beat.
Erika, you say "we are the pretty ones" - but I'm not sure if that might actually be premature. We are merely at the micro-cellular level of change - the tiny, tiny change-makers whose changes aren't even going to be visible for generations. The pretty ones will come later.
This is the underlying importance of JMG's imagination series. This is a long game that has to start on the imaginal level (the heart does encode what is imagined, no?) that will eventually be expressed on the physical.
Use the litmus test on yourself and your actions - at all times. Even if Schwab et al are red herrings, they represent the un-tamanous and carry a standardized stench and a miasma of sameness. Each small thing we all do to de-link from the machine that stamps out identical identities and approval scores and the trappings of control is a cellular change in favor of life and divinity.
Love real herrings (the beauty!). Maybe love the red ones too because they show us how not to be.
C'mon everyone, you've got this. Each in our own small way.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-23 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)i was just looking quickly and caught my name so i'll be back later because i have to go do errands soon but a fast response:
we ARE the pretty ones. pretty ones... how do i explain this quickly?
so dear Lilly/Kallianeira wrote this riff about the best hoarded fabrics coming out at the end as a shroud for the dead. she writes connected to what she DOES. and when she said that i knew she has an ability to SELL an idea a story a NEW story, and i've actually been focusing in on her a bit to keep an eye on that talent and thinking about it.
the pretty ones...
all that we live now everyone we vote for wanna work for fall in love with the image we wanna be or project... THAT WAS PITCHED AND SOLD TO US.
like the story of the fisherman that was pitched: "why don't you expand your business so others work for you and you can fish whenever you want and hang out all day?"
and he answers that's what he's got now: FREEDOM. freedom over his time and work.
so they couldn't pitch him this. then comes enclosure of the commons... rules laws about who and when you get to fish and how much things cost so you have to fish MORE...
they SOLD us the movie ending where we're on a beach all rich with a stranger who dotes on us.
EEEEEW. gross dream.
time for NEW DREAM.
i'm mixed, half white half Puerto Rican black and bougie and ghetto and liberal conservative asshole angel... i'll embrace it all.
what i have learned in my time in society is that:
PEOPLE ARE BORED TERRIFIED UNSURE AND LOOKING AT SOMEONE "ABOVE" THEM FOR IDEAS OF WHAT TO DO NEXT HOW TO HAVE FUN AND LOOK OKAY WHILE DOING IT.
the ideas now are beyond threadbare. WE are the pretty ones NOW not LATER because WE are the ones people really wanna hang out know and ask questions of at 3am when they're outta ideas hate themselves and have guns to their heads.
THE PRETTY ONES.
you just don't know it yet.
but when you are doing your own thing not worried about being embarrassed hated ridiculed ...something happens when your ideas start to blossom...
the ridicule becomes quiet curiosity and slowly one by one... people start insinuating themselves into your LIFE and then you realize...
oh, i'm the pretty one again.
it's not a GOAL. it cannot be because the goal undermines the solitude joy struggle and alienation necessary to listen to your own angels gods faeries voices WHATEVER it is that makes you DIFFERENT.
the Pretty Ones means...
do you really wanna go to a party and hang out with tech people in their tech world??? really???
they may have all the money and electric expensive cars but ever hang with one who's doing well OR bad?
before long YOU will be the one with a gun to your own head.
i've talked to the young ones here and they are dead and will admit as much and HAVE to James and me. they are lost creepy and ill-prepared for the actual world of humans women children.
we are the pretty ones because like that guy who was yelling at a disney movie ending because he disagreed with it, he is lost like a child.
they ALL are.
watch what happens as things start to emerge in the real world with arty types. the boring tech people hang out on the fringes and take PHOTOS from afar or try to write about or capture it. but they know not how to be IN IT. get LOSt in it.
we are the pretty ones because we ourselves have lost sight of our own beauty power and ability to pitch a better LIFE and way of LIVING as a VERB.
we are the pretty ones because once we get going we won't NEED much that they have to "offer" because we remember our own... EVERYTHING.
gotta go!
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
This is my long-winded attempt to say that trying to convince anyone with the tools like KPOO and brand/marketing blah blah is old-think (so I'm sorry they flaked out on you, but here is your chance to define your dance without their rules). They are not close enough to the "we is."
Critical mass is slow to accumulate in its accretion of one life changing at a time from within. But that's what we have to work with, and we're only as pretty as every moment's latest decision to dance (or not if that's what's right for a person).
Or something like this.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 05:02 am (UTC)(link)before we are ALL...able?....
oh! like James, you want EVERYONE to change, and until and unless it reaches a big number our being pretty won't matter to you.
maybe it's just because i'm used to odd little groups of people, but i don't think it works that way regarding what we're doing. i think we'll remain a small loose network/syndicate of unusual people doing unusual things. i don't think we're gonna hit like Elvis, nor do we want to in this current fickle disposable world. that means we'd be short-lived wasted fashionable transient trash.
i'd prefer to think we'll be consistently/fervently muddling along on the sidelines in the woods in the underground or on the fringes.
the fringes Papa G spoke of, who bring forward what was odd and make it bigger. more acceptable.
but fringes and edges... like artists and thinkers tend to./and that'd be... well, you won't even notice Normal People if it's any good.
i never did even though i've lived and gone to high school in suburban cherry hill new jersey, until san francisco got gentrified no--RAVAGED by unhappy tech people.
so i wouldn't wait on a tipping point or some kind of mass adoption. nah. you don't want that, anyhow. i've always been part of some odd group who's doing its own thing and i'm fine if most of the world is into adult coloring books regarding art.
this is where i agree with some of Papa G's more extreme and dire prophecies or visions: i'm afraid my beliefs are that a lot of people are NOT going to make it through all this into the future, but those that do will be able to build off the benefits of what we're thinking up discussing trying and doing now and WILL do, and they can either reject or refine or come up with something new altogether. they'll be ready.
as a colored girl taught to be about The Struggle, i was raised, ever since i can remember, raised for a LONG multi-generational fight. the middle passage was hundreds of years ago and Puerto Rico and the islands in the Caribbean were on the way here to Turtle Island... i just didn't think all the others would sell out so fast or easily or that it was all talk for THEM. i believed. (re KPOO for example)
i'm not worrying about the far future, though. i'm at: WHAT NEXT????
BUT most importantly: never ever make the mistake that "pitching" or "selling" is Old World advertisey talk. everything is a con(vincing) game. even and especially when you think it's not.
every book even Papa G's work is all pitch: what of another reality? would you cling to THIS one if you knew you could... if you knew there was a world outside this cage?
each generation gets degraded memories as they struggle to fit in and assimilate. there are few parents who NEVER FORGET. you don't need everyone.
everyone's selling pitching seducing with a vision an idea a story a future a way a mood a reaction. if you don't want anything you cannot be pitched sold to cajoled or convinced. that's why i don't feel sorry for many folks being scammed. most scammers appeal to the ego and fantasies and how everyone wants to be liked and FEEL GOOD. that's why some who're scammed forgive. they got what they wanted because they couldn't get it elsewhere.
just passing a table of laughing joyous people can sell you on a way a ...
well, back to that brown fizzy water.
i also think you pitch an idea by how you LIVE love and all that greeting card crap. that's where we're spellbindingly transcendentally stunning!
as for "long-winded" own the page when you're lost. you cannot hope to be neat clean and tidy when you're screaming in the middle of a global existential crisis.
if you must, you can apologize later when we've all taken showers.
but in a world with no god anymore, people like that dad who was yelling at the disney movie ending, they're DESPERATE to be pitched to by hucksters. this is where the likes of Jim Jones can appeal to disheartened people (many poor blacks who were in despair from the '60s).
i think this is why we're also in trouble. people hate their emotions. they think having them, it is like soiling oneself to FEEL. and they are completely RULED by these ignored emotions. they are faking the logic thing. everyone pretty much is at this point.
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
No, it's not what I want. We're talking past each other here. It's the slow land-speed (of glaciation) that'll get its way in the end. Has nothing to do with me wanting certain numbers (which I'm not attached to). It will happen, if indeed JMG's hunch is right that tamanous is the land-spirit-expression here.
"so i wouldn't wait on a tipping point or some kind of mass adoption"
My point is that it's a slow incursion, water-like, rising up through the land into the feet of all incarnated souls in this place. I'm not waiting to see it happen society wide because it's on its own timescale if it's truly place based. That's my whole point. And too land moves like earthquakes.
You're the most embrace-incarnation person I've ever come across and don't doubt for a second you've dowsed the state of people's minds and modes of pitching and selling. I am less than convinced though that that aligns in the end with tamanous-spirit. In hybrid times, sure.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)as for:
i had to ask James what you mean and he says, "she says you're a force of nature the way i and others here have said it."
so he is hip to tamanous and Papa G here although he doesn't write on here or eco main anymore because he thinks JMG always misunderstands him so he doesn't bother anymore (we ALL have egos!).
after discussing whether we'll return to the stoic cowboy ethos in this land, James said: "as long as there is language and as long as there's way to leverage other people so that you can gain from them which is what civilization is all about, you're always gonna have people trying to convince people of something so they can gain power over them."
look, Temporary Reality- i don't know ANYTHING. i don't understand PEOPLE and what and why they do what they do. but all i know for sure is that the folks who're the kindest low-key understated secrets are often the most valuable gems hidden amongst us ALL.
i'm not that gem. i FIND you gems. i've been saved and lifted up by such gems. James is one such treasure for me.
everytime i've been fired or gone off on or attacked there are you secret quiet people who GET...?
i don't know WHAT you "get." but i know there isn't enough of your energy and wisdom in THIS world. so just as you gems see the crazy likes of ME, it is in MY BEST INTEREST to have gems like you ascend to your rightful place because you tend to be just, wise, patient, open-hearted, THOUGHTFUL... and more.
so that's MY pitch. my self interested-- VERY SELF INTERESTED-- pitch. more YOU. more of THAT that you bring here. the questioning tenacity understanding empathy ...FIGHT.
kind fight.
you are here long past when most would feel embarrassed and itchy because even in real life i won't let anyone dust away the conversation out of discomfort.
back to: EARLY AGREEMENT IS SUSPECT.
i WANNA know who you are now so's to cut down on fights and misunderstandings LATER. and i can best serve YOU, back. ya dig?
tell me who you are, make my head hurt with trying to understand. that's all training from Papa G's world.
and what's funny, it's all still self-interest. GOOD. then it makes sense, can come naturally once we learn it, and it's more INTERESTING to have you come back and insist on making yourself understood.
I WANT THAT FROM YOU.
and my pitch to you is: assume it's a good thing and fight to be heard because it's good for ALL of us. when you hide and take it out of politeness to be quiet and let things go on without you, we all lose out.
and look how boring it is "one" way.
thanks for wrangling on this with me, Temporary Reality. this is road trip stuff to me. you can't just run away from the hard conversations.
thanks thanks thanks.
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO EVEN WANNA BE HERE ON THIS EARTH RIGHT NOW.
if i were still suicidal i might go lining up for injection after injection because it's easier than going alone to jump off a bridge or blow one's brains out.
the government is giving away free crack pipes and we've legalized shooting up outside. the sacklers made food out of unemployed poor white people. Jim Jones would be hella impressed. he's small time.
moral hazard is a THING here. i used to be bad but all the bad stuff that's been happening in my neighborhood lately is a lot done by so-called GOOD people.
remember when i said i was suicidal and starting fights? that's EVERYONE here now. that's how i see it. but i don't know anything. i only make guesses based on MYSELF, how i've felt similarly before.
i've gotta run to the store. forgot things. must stock up on olive oil!
x
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-23 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)Ron M
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-23 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)actually i re-read this three times and YOU also think we're The Pretty Ones. you wrote it at the end.... love real herrings (the beauty!)...
(smile)
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Amen to this.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 01:17 am (UTC)(link)i re-read that another TWO times because it's sooo rich and i smiled wondering how you could WRITE that and not know you ARE most definitely The Pretty One now???
everything you said is mad rich with understanding and it seemed a chorus on the side re-iterated what Papa G has started here.
The Pretty Ones isn't about some imagined static future of perceived perfection. it's about swagger an attitude setting the standards being the first to bring things to the fore...the ones people pay attention and copy and riff off of sample steal... all yes yes yes.
these are GOOD things.
and the reason we're The Pretty Ones Now is because they've run out of road. ideas. they've hit the wall. this is where if we were in an argument we'd have to give them room to step up to themselves.
we're the pretty ones because they're DYING and we're alive.
we're not Pretty because we're smooth skinned and size 3s or young or big assed or round or tall or gingers or brunettes and we're sure as hell NOT Pretty because we follow orders.
we're PRETTY as hell because we have heart imagination are willing to caterwaul ugly screams and fight for what we love and take all the punches that come from being from WILLING TO BE HELLA UGLY.
we're The Pretty Ones precisely because we're willing to be so damn UGLY and wrong and admit we were serial killers in past lives or THIS life. we're PRETTY because we're the HUMAN ones and they are stumbling and yes...
have forgotten HOW to be human. hence Klaus Schwab. but really... the news the TV shows the innerwebs the influencers and reality stars... they are not exactly bouquets of originality.
and people have been TRAINED do not undermine daily constant training of already tending to go along to keep the peace, then you have to "thumbs up" an inane photograph of someone you don't even KNOW to...
KEEP THE PEACE.
i saw that with my friend's girlfriend crashed our party to meet me when i begged to NOT have to meet her. we were having a deep talk and she made an excuse to stop by then she was distracted by a phone zap as everyone is now, and she nodded as she got her drip and interrupted a great conversation with, "so and so didn't 'like' my photo. i knew she was mad at me!"
that's when i realized social media was even more complicated than the first time i screwed up my courage and tried to go down on a woman. because women will tell you you're doing great one-on-one then trash you in the ladies' room next day... and for the rest of your LIFE.
that's why i do it so well, though. fear of being publicly shredded for sucking in bed is where i BAAA! BAAA! like a complacent lamb/sheep girl. if you can't even KISS right you don't deserve your swagger.
so Temporary Reality...
back to YOU:
all my life when i'd go to cafes and talk like we do here, SOMEONE SITS NEARBY PRETENDING TO READ THE SAME PAGE IN THEIR BOOK FOR HOURS.
and this is how everyone HERE talks and thinks and lives, too.
so i'm not just blowing smoke up all our skirts when i say:
HELL YEAH WE'RE THE PRETTY ONES NOW.
have you ever gone to their parties? this is IT. we're living their idea of a good time.
if we can't pitch something superior to this when it's all dissolving before our eyes then no... i'm afraid not. we're not so pretty after all.
but we ARE. we already are doing the first works of fighting for imaginations BACK. that's FREEDOM! that's the you can imprison me/i will be free of Papa G's raisin day truh. i don't speak/spell french. let the Canadians fix it.
and we are doing the work of moving the RAILS. the hard work of being there to watch the SWITCH. what a time to be alive. again: when i'm not staring at the ceiling in horror, i try to pretend i'm before-birth choosing the best rollercoaster ride of a time to be ALIVE... and this would be IT.
we're the pretty ones because we're changing the MUSIC. how dead is everything! we're the first ones on the scene come to resuscitate... what?
i don't know. but we're PRETTY because we're struggling to be clean try a new (OLD!) way. this stuff feels OLD. creaky old. oil really must've been one helluva drug, to paraphrase Rick James.
we're the pretty ones because we're willing to take a punch for love and to be a true and real romantic is not flowers and cheap candy, it's getting RAVAGED and coming back to cover your love corner AGAIN the next day and take a hit and ...
that's how you SELL and PITCH this honor thing.
it's contagious watching someone stand still for something they believe in and own it and be willing to calmly FIRMLY say their piece. or peace.
we're pretty because we're the opposite of all their whingeing fear and passive aggressive avoiding.
we're The Pretty Ones because we make life look like it's worth living again.
you said it yourself we're downright GORGEOUS here.
own it. it'll actually save you time.
x
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)"Temporary Reality... you're not boring you're not tedious you're not to be quieted because YOU KNOW SO MUCH AND I WANNA KNOW HEAR AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE KEEPING TO YOURSELF."
because you don't YET really buy into you, yourself, being all that and the proverbial bag o' chips, when you ARE.
it's a long healing a long game this changing our minds from this where we are.
i've never met you but i already know you're all heart and to not be wasted.
xxxxxx
erika
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Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
(Anonymous) 2022-02-24 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)i'm beaming./thank you for hanging in there with me.
even via online world it means everything to me and you make me feel important.
x
erika