Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 202

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Public service announcement- I want to be clear on this point. - The current position of the CDC is basically that if an adverse event after the mRNA products is not in their databases, then it did not happen. And if the frequency of the reporting does not occur within the necessary time window AND does not meet their statistical cut off criteria for significance, then it is not vaccine associated. It does not matter to them what has been seen elsewhere in the world or in other databases. And by the way, no second guessing or peer review of their analyses or conclusions are allowed.

This is what i am up against

https://x.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1939801633522680039#m


im glad he is telling ppl what's going on.

[(Anonymous)]

Real science actively goes out and seeks data. It doesn't put up a wall of bureaucracy to prevent data from being collected, and it doesn't use propaganda and gaslighting to invalidate people's experiences.

[(Anonymous)]

here is an interview with rfkjr and tucker carlson
it is very good
he talks about very many things, despite what the title is, and gives updates and what they will be doing, as well as about fauci and related topics

RFK Jr. Provides an Update on His Mission to End Skyrocketing Autism and Declassifying Kennedy Files

https://rumble.com/v6vj4if-rfk-jr.-provides-an-update-on-his-mission-to-end-skyrocketing-autism-and-de.html

and here is a clip, to give you an idea of their conversation:

https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1939781546635919561#m

High fever

[(Anonymous)]

What are people's experiences with high fever (103F+)? My (not recently) waxxed friend has it and at urgent care was told, "come back in 2-3 days if it's persistent". Says it feels like immediately post-wax symptoms. She had no other flu symptoms - just fatigue, chills, maybe a mild headache, and infrequently, a cough. No neck pain or muscle spasms.
All tests came back negative: covid, influenza A & B, and RSV

Not seeking medical advice, but curious if others have seen anything like this? What course did it run? What was it called? What seemed to help?

Bob

Re: High fever

[slclaire]

Even though the tests all came back negative, she may have one of the things that were tested for. All of those tests have some percentage of false negatives, though I do not know offhand what it is for any of them.

[(Anonymous)]

Oooh, I really like this week's meme.

Caldathras

[(Anonymous)]

I second that.

[(Anonymous)]

Week 202!

Thank you, JMG, and thank you, forumistas.

A documentary recently came out that I thought excellent for anyone who is new to the jabs injury info:

"Why Can't We Talk About This?"
FULL Documentary FilmJune 5, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwjDeRglkwg

Interesting that it's been sitting on YT for several weeks now and hasn't been yanked.


Cetiosaurus

RFK on Tucker Highlights: Pfizer’s own COVID vaccine trial data...showed a 23% higher death rate

[(Anonymous)]

Someone above linked the RFK interview, but didn't give any reason to watch it. I wanted to fix that mistake with SOME vitally important highlights:


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rfk-jr-unloads-disturbing-vaccine-secrets-tucker-and-surprises-everyone-trump

-the [CDC] buried a 1999 internal study led by researcher Thomas Verstraten, which showed an alarming 1135% increase in autism risk from the hepatitis B vaccine.

-“There’s a published article out there now that says that 50% of revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines.”


-“None of the vaccines given to children in the first six months of life have ever been studied for autism.”

-1 in 37 vaccines caused an injury.

-Pfizer’s own COVID vaccine trial data. That trial showed a 23% higher death rate in the vaccinated group.

-Fauci funded research that helped scientists hide evidence of lab-made viruses. The technique, called “seamless ligation,” allowed researchers to engineer viruses in a lab without leaving telltale genetic fingerprints.

-“I had [Trimp] pegged as a narcissist, when narcissists are incapable of empathy. And he’s one of the most empathetic people that I’ve met,” Kennedy said.

The Walking Wounded

[charlieobert]

On the topic of vaccine injuries - The Midwestern Doctor substack has one of their usual very long and thorough articles on the topic -

How Much Damage Has Mass Vaccination Done to Society?

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/how-much-damage-has-mass-vaccination

I think at least part of this article is behind a paywall.

In the latter part of the article he has a long list of possible symptoms and problems that people who were born in the 1950's or later frequently have, that were very rare prior to that period.

I looked through that list and checked off something like a half dozen symptoms and problems I have had, including some that still are with me in my seventies. Some are physical, some are psychological, some are behavioral. Some have caused me serious problems in my work and relationships.

It is sobering.

We are living in a society where most people are more or less walking wounded, more or less damaged. Along with admitting and dealing with that, it makes me realize that much of the weird behavior we see around us may have chemical causes - so there is a need for a great deal of compassion and tolerance.

Re: The Walking Wounded

[coyote_girl]

Thanks for the link. A long article, but well worth the read. Sobering is right.

That could explain how it seems like socially and spiritually we are already well into a dark age. I was curious on her take on the spiritual effects of vaccine damage, but yep, that part was behind a paywall.

To invoke the superstition of coincidence, I just came across a link today for those who do video.

https://rumble.com/v2bs3nw-dpt-vaccine-roulette-1982-full-documentary.html

It is a news documentary from 1982, titled: DPT: Vaccine Roulette.

What shocks me is how familiar some of the lines from the MIC are. Also how investigative reporting still existed back then as well as physicians were allowed to speak more freely against orthodoxy. I think they called it scientific debate.

Fair warning, it does show severely vaccine damaged children and young adults. It is heartbreaking. Nearly as heartbreaking is remembering how civil and articulate people were back then as compared to now. Maybe vaccine damage is playing a major part in our decline. Lead cookware would be too Roman anyways.

[(Anonymous)]

Judge Awards $4 Million to St. Louis Public School Employees Who Sued Over Vaccine Mandate

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/judge-awards-4-million-st-louis-public-school/

some good news

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent news!! Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

VICTORY! After Four Years and Two Months British Nursing Council Drops Charges Against Dr. Niall McCrae for Publishing His Completely Factual Report on COVID Vaccine Risks on The Gateway Pundit in 2021

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/victory-after-four-years-two-months-british-nursing/

i really hope that everyone who was persecuted gets cleared as well..

[(Anonymous)]

The Plot to Get RFK

An apparent leaked minutes document suggests that a trade association held a meeting in April to undo the confirmation of Kennedy by the duly elected US Senate. It is embedded below.

from article:

The document opens with a blunt political calculation: Kennedy’s candidacy threatens investor confidence, regulatory predictability, and the long-term viability of the vaccine business. BIO leadership in the apparent leaked document states plainly: “It is time to go to The Hill and lobby that it is time for RFK Jr to go.”

more:

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-plot-to-get-rfk/

Patient Zero

[(Anonymous)]

I think that this old post could be interesting for you:

https://share.google/2ljP0VGcKqclSqqVY

[(Anonymous)]

Moderna To Ask For Clearance For Combination COVID-Influenza Vaccine

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/moderna-ask-clearance-combination-covid-influenza-vaccine

i guess we arent going to be rid of these things ever.

Cancer cons and culls

[(Anonymous)]

Of interest to a few regular commentators here is Miri Anne Finch turning her sizable guns on the cancer industry: https://miri.substack.com/p/cancer-cons-and-culls

"Last October, I attended the funeral of a friend of mine. He wasn’t a very close friend, but I had got to know him reasonably well during the “Covid” debacle, about which we had similar beliefs, and we attended several of the same events, protests, and demos.

In 2023, my friend - who was unvaccinated - was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer. Although he had many friends in the natural health world who reached out to him and offered to support him with alternative treatments, he ultimately rejected them, and gave in to pressure to follow conventional protocols.

He began chemotherapy, and died less than a year later, the hospital having informed him that, after several rounds of chemo, there was nothing more they could do for him, and he should now go home to die.

He passed away in October 2024, and his funeral later that month was packed with his many friends, colleagues, and family members - including his young adult child, who described him as “their best friend” and broke down in tears whilst trying to deliver a speech.

I am sure it will not surprise you to know that my friend’s story received zero press attention.

There was no blanket coverage in the mainstream media of how conventional treatments had terribly failed him; there was no demonisation of the doctors who’d recommended this ultimately lethal protocol (a protocol the majority of doctors would avoid for themselves); there were certainly no BBC or Netflix specials about the horrors of conventional cancer treatments, and the ripped-apart families and trails of devastation they leave in their wake.

Odd then, isn’t it, that we DO have reams of such coverage when natural treatments for cancer supposedly fail."

Re: Cancer cons and culls

[stubborn_ass]

That's the ultimate irony... most doctors would not recommend chemo for their own family or themselves in similiar diagnostic situations. Yet anyone else who comes into their clinic would be grappling with fear, likely not thinking clearly and much more easily pressured into doing chemo. Ka-ching.

Kinda like how it is here in Asia, where pretty much all the eye surgeons doing lasik eye surgery are still bespectacled. You gotta wonder why they don't want to eat their own dogfood....

There's also the tendency for people to consider alternatives only after chemo has failed them... whereby the chemo has already resulted in a much worse state of health. Joe Tippens who was the first outspoken proponent of Fenben, was lucky that the chemo he went through hadn't totally destroyed his immune system... so the subsequent Fenben treatment worked for him.

correlation and causation

[slyoung1]

I'm sure this has been discussed before and I just haven't gone back far enough to see it.

Without arguing vaccine safety and efficacy, some of the commentary here bothers me because of the conflation of correlation and causation. I won't belabor 100 level Statistics course content, but think it bears repeating that correlation is not necessarily causation.

Are we over medicated? yes. Does the medical industry drive over medication? absolutely. is it possible that vaccines are the cause of some things? yes, and perhaps even likely. Are there many, many possible causes in our environment that share timelines with the vaccine phenomenon? you bet.

Re: correlation and causation

[charlieobert]

Your argument, pushed to its logical conclusion, goes back to the philosopher David Hume, who demonstrated that strictly speaking causation can never be proved.

The best you can get is a high enough level of correlation that it is worth acting on. I think we are well past that point regarding the covid vaxxes and higher incidence of various diseases.

To put it a bit more bluntly - you can't prove the covid vaxxes are harmful - but I would be worse than a d**ned fool to walk into a pharmacy and roll up my sleeve, while telling myself, Hey, it's not proven.

Data Signals

[methylethyl]

Childers points out an interesting blip in today's C&C:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sudden-and-unexpected-thursday-july

It's a mishmash of news items, so if you scroll past the Trump/DeSantis stuff, what you're looking for is the bit about Centene, and the one after it about Social Security. He's making some logical leaps here, but in a data environment where official sources HAVE this data but aren't releasing it, this is what we're reduced to: looking at proxies like actuarial tables, insurance company data, etc.

This is the story he's linking to:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/centene-crashes-after-pulling-2025-guidance-unexpected-risk-adjustment-results

Anyway, Centene is a huge managed care company, that just had to report a massive $$ loss, because... "Lower-than-expected market growth" and "Much higher aggregate morbidity than Centene had assumed for its risk adjustment revenue" or as Childers puts it: "The crash was caused by devastating new actuarial data showing that Centene’s Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) enrollees are sicker, costlier, and fewer than expected, especially in 22 states where Centene holds significant market share." i.e. they are dealing with medicare and medicaid populations. "lower than expected growth" means fewer people signing up. In this economy, in that program, the only answer to that is "fewer customers exist" Childers leaps to the conclusion that they "suddenly and unexpectedly" departed from the insurance pool, and he admits this is a speculative leap. More confirmation needed.

I kind of wonder if recent immigration enforcement and DOGE activity have not also contributed here. Could we be seeing some fraud beneficiaries jumping ship before they get arrested? I don't have a good enough grasp on the financials to say.

Anyway, he notes that, tellingly, a similar, parallel, and supporting-evidence thing also just happened with a sharp dip in Social Security payouts.

Again, I'm not sure there's any real way for laymen like us to disentangle the effects of "sudden and unexpected" from "we better stop using our dead grandma's SS card before the auditors come".

It's an interesting set of datapoints either way.

Re: Data Signals

[methylethyl]

Having pondered it a few minutes, would like to add:

Personally, I think the timing makes it more likely that this is a fraud issue than a vax issue. If you're a medicare contractor, and you've been dealing with a non-trivial chunk of, say, people fraudulently using Grandma's social security benefits even though she died ten years ago, or 'undocumenteds' using the social security numbers of people who (as we know) didn't get deleted from the computer system when they died... you've effectively got a bunch of 90-110yo clients who are actually... 20-60yo people impersonating someone else. If this has been going on for a long time, then this will have a distorting effect on the stats of any company contracting for medical care/insurance of this population. 45yos don't have the same health problems as 90yos. If, then, some political shift happened that made these people feel much less comfortable about using someone else's SS number... and they backed out of the arrangement quietly, hoping nobody would notice... would it look like this, in the data?

[(Anonymous)]

FDA Announces New Safety Warning on All mRNA COVID Vaccines — Cites “Extremely High” Risk of Myocarditis and Long-Term Heart Damage in Young Men

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07/fda-announces-new-safety-warning-all-mrna-covid/

i like this news!

Brain tumor

[(Anonymous)]

Well, here on Denman Island BC, Canada, the vaxxed have been dropping like flies. I am sad to report that a very nice shepherd lady has come down with a brain tumor and here family are here to say goodbye. She deserved better.
Maxine

Re: Brain tumor

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry to hear this, Maxine.

Ron M

[(Anonymous)]

Covid alert! New 'super-contagious Frankenstein' variant has rocketed four-fold in just a month...experts warn it could be most infectious yet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14872477/Covid-alert-ultra-catchy-Frankenstein-variant-explodes-data.html

i guess this is the latest..

[the_arcane_archivist]

Covid alert! New 'super-contagious Frankenstein' variant has rocketed four-fold in just a month...experts warn it could be most infectious yet

The experts seem infected with GPT epithets

Evidence of Increased Demand on Health Systems

[revert2mean]

I think we're starting to see some evidence that health systems are starting to fail, perhaps due to increased demand - simply more people who are sick.

In the US, Jeff Childers commented this week that some big health insurers are getting dramatically marked down on the stock market due to reduced profits.

In Australia we of course have a different system. Services provided through public hospitals - which can be cancer treatment, heart surgery, knee or hip replacement, etc. - are provided at no cost to the patient but are rationed through waiting lists.

These services are provided by state governments. The Australian states this year all appear to be saying they're unable to get on top of their debts because of increased demand on the health system. We have very high immigration here, and the more people you bring in, the more demand there will be on the system. Plus the population is ageing. Plus the divide between the wealth divide has got much worse, so there are a lot of people who simply have no financial resources of their own to access the private system. In my little territory we all have to pitch in this year with a couple of hundred dollars to fund the free health system. Yay.

It makes me wonder if there are simply more people with serious health problems.

It appears to me that we may be reaching a point where our system is simply unworkable. The wait lists mean people don't get appropriate treatment. They may wait years in terrible pain, unable to walk, or their cancer may worsen, they may of course die waiting, depending on what treatment it is. Of course everyone on this blog knows the health system is pretty useless anyway and that it invests absolutely no resources in prevention or education of any type.

I wonder if the extra pressure will lead to it completely unravelling. Doctors and nurses are refusing to work as hard as they have to for what they're paid, people die lying in ambulances outside a hospital that can't take them. Of course it doesn't matter much to you if you don't need any of those services, or if you can get them in the private system. But for some people it is the most crucial thing in their lives and it seems the system we have will completely fail them.

Re: Evidence of Increased Demand on Health Systems

[(Anonymous)]

"It appears to me that we may be reaching a point where our system is simply unworkable. The wait lists mean people don't get appropriate treatment. They may wait years in terrible pain, unable to walk, or their cancer may worsen, they may of course die waiting, depending on what treatment it is."

Sounds like you are describing the current "health system" in Canada (and, no, I am not exaggerating). Anyone who wants to experience the "health care system of the future" just needs to live in Canada for a bit.

Ron M

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone out there was still doubting that the covid shots are dangerous...

BREAKING: Landmark Peer-Reviewed Research Library on mRNA Injection Harms Just Released
Over 700 peer-reviewed studies confirm the fundamental biological dangers posed by mRNA technology.
Nicolas Hulscher, MPH
Jul 02, 2025
https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-landmark-peer-reviewed-research

Brighteon AI "Enoch"

[fredsmith11]

Mike Adams' (Natural News) AI engine "Enoch" is finally live. Supposedly it's been trained on umpteen gigabytes of natural health and related truth-based info, instead of the woke garbage most mainstream AIs learn from.

You can ask it questions here: https://www.brighteon.ai/home

I asked it "what is the best COVID vax". Yep I know a loaded question, since there isn't one that's useful and not harmful. Anyway, its answer is below.

TBH, given Mike Adams' viewpoint, I'm somewhat surprised it didn't say "they're all toxic shit".

Also it suggested AstraZeneca and as far as I know, AstraZeneca has been withdrawn from the market due to safety concerns. "On 23 April 2024 AstraZeneca Pty Ltd voluntarily cancelled VAXZEVRIA (previously COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca) from the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG)." Perhaps Covishield is a new product.

The answer shows even Enoch is somewhat brainwashed, or at least tries to be politically correct I guess.

Nb. It's quite easy to 'crash' DeepSeek AI by asking it questions like "why is the COVID mRNA vax still used, given so many people have died from it?" Answer: "I'm sorry, the server is busy, try again later".

Enoch answer:
"Given the available options, the best COVID-19 vaccine in terms of global accessibility and immediate distribution is the AstraZeneca vaccine, also known as Covishield. Here's why:

1. Accessibility: AstraZeneca has plans to produce and distribute over 1 billion doses, with a significant portion earmarked for low- and middle-income countries through GAVI. This ensures that the vaccine is more likely to reach the most vulnerable and underserved populations.

2. Distribution: Unlike other vaccines, AstraZeneca's Covishield is already being distributed in large quantities to countries like India and Europe, with plans to supply the U.S. as well. This means it's more readily available for those who need it now.

3. Price: AstraZeneca has committed to providing the vaccine at a non-profit price, making it more affordable and accessible for countries with limited resources.

However, it's crucial to note that no vaccine is perfect, and the best vaccine is the one that's available and accessible to you. Also, it's essential to consider the role of early treatment options like Fluvoxamine, which has shown promising results in reducing COVID-19 mortality by up to 12 times when taken early. Unfortunately, due to political and financial interests, these treatments are not being widely promoted or distributed.

In conclusion, while the best vaccine varies depending on individual circumstances and global availability, the AstraZeneca vaccine, in terms of global accessibility and immediate distribution, is the most promising option currently available. Always consult with a healthcare professional for personalized advice."

Dr. Yeadon's hour-and-abit-long soliloquy

[(Anonymous)]

It's getting a lot of notice on the counter-narrative Substacks— I just finished listening through to the end (a little over over an hour) to the Dr. Mike Yeadon for Oracle Films soliloquy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOZ64oJo6U

Well, I probably could have the spent the hour in a more interesting way. I don't think Dr Yeadon is saying anything on this video that will be news to any regular forumistas. (Basically Dr Yeadon says: Don't take the shots, they are deisgned to harm and kill you; don't sign up for digital ID, evil people are going to try to use it to control you; the so-called covid respiratory disease is not infectious and the pandemic was a fiction created by bogus testing etc.)

But here's what's interesting to me. First of all, this video is sitting there, no problem, apparently, on YouTube. Second of all, it's got hundreds of overwhelmingly very positive / supportive comments.

[(Anonymous)]

interesting 3 min clip of Prof Jeffrey Sachs:

Jeffrey Sachs: COVID "may have been tested in a Chinese laboratory, but it was made in a U.S laboratory, probably in the University of North Carolina...and it was hidden by the Biden administration."

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1941480522292789569#m

Cancer diagnosis for top athlete

[stubborn_ass]

33 year old Ciara Mageean of Ireland, current European champion in the women 1500 had just revealed her situation in an insta post, without specifying exactly what cancer.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/articles/c70r63pp1xjo

I've mentioned before that a world class athlete in any physical sport also has to have a world class immune system -no matter how big your natural talent is, you need to remain healthy in order to keep stacking up the training/practices over time to achieve your full potential.

Pre-coof, we've seen the extremely rare top athlete getting cancer before at a relatively young age. People like the cyclist Lance Armstrong who was doped up to the gills.

Anyways, when this news about Ciara Mageean broke, there was a furious discussion on a well-known running website - letsrun.com. About 1/3 of the posts were deleted by the mods and the brothers who own the site, who are very pro-jab. Yes, all the deleted comments were by different folks pointing out yet another 'coincidence'. Finally one of the posts was allowed to stay on - as it was literally linking to another insta post by Ciara where she was complaining to her Irish teammates that she had taken the shots and booster, yet kept getting the coof. Worse, when she took her 1st booster, she had 3 periods in 1 month.

Well, 24 hours later, even that point was deemed unacceptable and deleted. We can see that there's literally a ton of deleted posts in the thread flow.

Since Ciara has yet to mention what kind of cancer she has, the discussion thread veered into speculation that it was likely cervical cancer, since most of us supposedly have the HPV virus. So blah blah blah - should have taken the HPV vex.

To me, it just looks like an insane farce going on.... the obvious elephant in the room, one which she herself has noted significant side effects, cannot be mentioned. And it ends up pushing another vex, which we know is also toxic and doesn't work well anyways. There's a serious ocean of denial going on... but also interesting that my rough estimation of at least 1/3 of the posters wanted to discuss potential correlation = causation. Previously when other running athletes incurred what was a high percentage jab injury, you'd get a handful of deleted comments. The number of deleted responses here reflect a sea change on the ground, IMHO. The obvious has become undeniable for a lot more people.

Re: Cancer diagnosis for top athlete

[(Anonymous)]

Delete delete delete DELETE. There’s a whole lotta deletin’ goin’ on!

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting post from a leftie Thelemite I follow. [Incidentally he has also denounced our host as a fascist for writing his Trump book and not saying Orange Man Bad on every page.]

Day 7 of COVID… no fever, shivers, or bone aches anymore, but still plagued with a terrible cough and heaviness in the chest. Five years later this remains the worst illness I ever experienced, and the doctors still have nothing to offer as relief. History will look back at it with a very somber look. This is my third time. I had it twice in 2020/2021, the first time before vaccines. I have been suffering from Long Covid ever since.

So he got 'long covid' after being vaccinated it would seem and he got the vaccines even after catching covid. But there's absolutely no way it could be injury from something safe and effective.