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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 198

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

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With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I'm struggling to get my head round what impact the emerging evidence of fertility damage stuff from the covid jabs will look like. Has anyone here read the papers and thought it through?
So far I have seen the preprint with the czech population study discussed here https://peterhalligan.substack.com/p/czech-data-on-birth-rates-by-vaxx
Link to paper https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202504.2487/v1
And there's a rat study showing damage to egg follicles as well https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/4/345
I know it was a worry what effect as I'd seen the stuff going round from a study done on localisation of the mrna product which showed it was going into was it mice? It was going into the mice gonads. I don't have a link to that but I thought at the time it was shocking even to consider approving a medicine that localised to the gonads for a whole population as I thought that was never previously allowed. Does someone else have that study saved? I think the story was it was asked for by the japanese govt then leaked?
Also heard from female friends of post jab changes in menses.
I am guessing that mostly we just don't know yet as it's been a cascade of catastrophes but it's reached the point where two scientific papers have emerged, the ones I linked above, there maybe more. There might be an actuary or similar out there who has started number crunching?
Tangerie Bulbous Hummingbird

I don't have the Japanese data at hand, but I imagine a search for "Byram Bridle" on some of the less censored search engines (Yandex or search.brave.com for instance) will lead you to it. He was the Canadian who bothered to read the actual data that Japan had pried from Pfizer's grasp. As far as I know he was the first to warn about it.

https://palexander.substack.com/p/japanese-biodistribution-study-that

is a summary.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Thank you OHC

Tangerine Bulbous Hummingbird

One of the first to warn, and first to be horribly and maliciously persecuted by his academic colleagues and university.

I'm waiting to see more numbers, but on ecological grounds it's not too hard to rough out what will happen. First, heavily vaccinated populations will see a sharp drop in birth rates; on top of the steep decline in birth rates already under way, it's probably fair to describe the result, in any population where the actual (as distinct from official) level of vaccination with effective vaccines was above 50% or so, as a demographic catastrophe. In a few generations the drop will level out, since those who weren't vaccinated will by that very fact be disproportionately likely to reproduce, but population declines above 50% in a century are likely, and in very heavily vaccinated areas 90% isn't impossible.

The economic and cultural impact of that will range from serious to cataclysmic. At a 50% decrease, most real estate will lose all its value, the banking system will be an early casualty, and cultural fringe groups that avoided the jabs will have a disproportionate influence on culture -- it's not impossible, for example, that outside the cities, the eastern United States in 2100 will look Amish. At a 90% decrease the result is culture death -- at that level not enough will survive to allow anything like the former culture to be reconstituted, and new cultural forms will evolve locally or be brought in from elsewhere.

Yes, once again it appears to be happening. The Circle was a fictional group in one of your novels, not something to be aspired to.

John of Red Hook

Circle was fictional, but given the number of factors already cutting down on fertility back when I wrote Star's Reach, I thought it was very plausible. Now? I think something of the sort is pretty much baked in the cake.

(For those who don't know what John and I are talking about, in 25th-century Meriga, women who are capable of bearing healthy children are a privileged caste, and there's an organization called Circle, distantly descended from modern Wicca and women's empowerment groups, that's composed of fertile women and has a great deal of social clout. You have to bear a healthy child by the age of 20 to get in.)

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Well, that actually sounds hopeful. The Amish seem like good, wholesome people who know how to grow food. We could do a lot worse!

Thank you JMG, that's helpful. It's difficult to face up to the more dire possibilities but easier with company.

Tangerine Bulbous Hummingbird

Ok, that is so sobering.
Question; How does ‘one rough this out on ecological grounds’. I would love to understand the logic of it, if I may.
Question2; let’s say the population drops are as severe as this, what can we do? What could two young parents with children do in a remote hinterland region?

Best regards,
lone seed bearer with out a boat

Have plenty of children and teach them self-reliance and a lot of practical skills. Remote hinterland regions are an excellent choice for such a couple, as they'll be sheltered from some of the troubles.

On Sunday, Karl Denninger wrote a post on this topic (of the Japan study) , and pretty much comes to the same conclusions as JMG, at least as far as the economic impact, and the length of time to clear the population of the effects.

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=253295

Here's the link to the study:

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/4/345

A bonus link to Denninger's comments about the Jabs and Biden's and Scott Adam's recent announcement of prostate cancer:

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=253302

And finally, a note about a recent three part podcast series Denninger and his daughter created - very disappointing for him. Rambling and a waste of time, with only a couple of new tidbits thrown in there. But I've always appreciated the approach he generally sticks with in that he deals with confirmed numbers and data, which is in stark contrast to his frequent splutterfest posts on what MUST be changed....

What bothers me is that this is pretty much exactly what we'd expect to see if our visions are broadly accurate and reflect reality. You wouldn't necessarily expect to see a mass die off given the issues with souls being yanked away from Earth (given the issue in my vision with the massive effort being put into getting those creatures home, and the fact that being grounded in a human body would be one way to fight that pull), but a very steep decline in birth rates as a lot of the souls in dying bodies get dragged away would certainly be expected.

Given both visions have some troubling implications (and mine has a few details I do not intend to share in an open forum that make it a lot more troubling), I am somewhat bothered by the fact that the kind of steep decline in fertility that we're seeing is exactly what we would expect to see if they are accurate...

My previous post became messy, so a new attempt.

The numbers from the European countries are largely available up and to 2024. Substacker CM27874 dutifully assembles them. There is an excell spreadsheet with the numbers up and to Q4 2024 available here https://cm27874.substack.com/p/european-births-q4-2024-update

Compared to the 2017-2020 medium live births, Europe is down -/- 12% in 2024. This doesn't take into account the effect of immigration, so the fertility is down even more. Most concerning is that the trend is still downwards.

The question is how much this is caused by fertility issues. The countries Bulgaria and Romania have by far the lowes vax rates in the EU, but Romania was in 2024 down 30% (Bulgaria inclomplete but suggesting 20% down). Is it war, economic crisis, the vaxx, the virus?? - Probabely multiple causes.

Some other interesting tidbits:

In Denmark fertility in 2024 is down 15% compared to 2019: Total fertility rate (ages 15-49) is down from 1,699.4 to 1,465.6 https://www.statistikbanken.dk/20018 (Select total fertility and in the next page select all)

In Sweden fertility in 2023 was down ca 13% compared to 2019 (from 1700 to 1485) https://archive.fo/ZATiD

Male sperm is also damaged. "The motile sperm concentration and total motile sperm count (TMSC) in ejaculates—both measures of sperm quality—declined by as much as 22% from 2019 to 2022." https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/39/8/1618/7687510

Currently excess mortality in the Netherlands is highest in women aged 30-50. That doesn't bode well for fertility and for society's capacity to deal with the challenges coming up. Ususlly those years should be ones most productive with raising children and work. We're also burning the demographic candle both ways with the sustained excess mortality.

My country will look very different in a few decades with these developments. The lowest vaxx rates were in the immigrant population, the fundamentalist Calvinist christians and the spiritual (usually white) people. That's an uneasy mix.

Thank you for this

Formerly Tangerine Bulbous Hummingbird

During the 70s, the rural was in decline and the urban was ascendant. I think all that is in the process of reversing. By 2070, I suspect the cities will be a lot more respectful to farmers than they are right now.

This is a quite sobering assessment, but I don't think it's wrong, and it's on the level of what happened to the Western Roman Empire in its later centuries, when the actually Roman population likely declined by as much as you said here. In particular, by about the middle of the 5th century, there were hardly enough Romans left to defend the Western part of the empire, so it was probably on the order of a 90% drop by that time. It was Germanic barbarians ruling over landless peasants working the giant estates of the remaining aristocrats at that point - of course, this was the basis of the dark age to come. I don't see something like your scenario as at all far-fetched these days. Honestly, the condition of the big cities in America has the feeling of a civilization in twilight, not unlike how Europe probably felt around the time of Peladan (with the notable exception that Europe had a large youth population in those days and we do not).

hrmmmmmm
looks like the vaccinated have about 2/3's the fertility of the un-vaccinated.

If this holds and assuming about 70% vaccination rates it is about a 20% reduction in total fertility in vaccinated countries.

Most of the countries with high vaccination rates are also countries with an already low Total Fertility Rate (already below replacement level) This will make the population fall off in the wealthy world substantially faster as time goes on.

And given the extent of ecological overshoot this is a very good thing.

Thank you for your reply.

Thinking aloud here I think it's likely that unjabbed will also show similar effects although to a lesser extent because of shedding. The lnps perfuse tissue so I imagine everyone in main stream society has been in a soup of them and skin and lung exposure every time sharing air space, hugs, let alone bodily fluids with jabbed people. So I was thinking probably jabbed/unjabbed ratio is only a start on estimating and historical comparison also needed to estinate the infective component.

Phosphorus scavenging by emvironmental organisms means normal rna doesn't usually last long in the environment, like hours to break down, but I don't know if anyone's attempted to measure the environmental fate of the stabilised form used in the mrna jabs with pseudoU. One possible biochemical route from my last dip into the literature for that to be packaged into exosomes and shed from skin. Although accumulation into lymph nodes seemed just as likely.

I don't know how long lnps persist themselves. Perhaps not long as they are tiny fat bubbles? But active products from transformed cells in microbes in the gut or elsewhere pseudoU mrnas were translated could also be having effects, those could include prion activity according to the investigators reports on the Clotsastrophe blog but there perhaps isn't an obvious route to an ongoing fertility effect except that from the original lnps via injection or shedding going into gonads?

I think JMG's point about communities with v low uptake probably even more significant? As less exposure through shared space etc?

Tangerine Bulbous Hummingbird

Not at all sure we know yet, and there's at least potential for that to get worse as you go down the age chart, given they tried to vax everybody. It'll be many years before we know for certain the full effects on those dosed as children, as they reach reproductive age.

The mouse study (not humans, I know) had 60% follicle death?

Which even if it were a 1/1 analogue wouldn't equate to a 60% reduction in fertility: there are a lot of inputs to human fertility that don't apply to mice. What would that same situation look like in humans though? Random misfiring, so less chance to get pregnant any given cycle? Six months to conceive instead of two? System works in her twenties, and drops off sharply after?

Whatever the current drop in *rates* is, you have to figure they're including a lot of women who've *already* had children in that number, so if the shots are responsible for a 20% drop *now*... would it be reasonable to expect a much sharper drop over the next ten years or so, as girls who were dosed in childhood/adolescence (when one doesn't really expect them to reproduce) become a greater and greater proportion of women-of-childbearing-age?

Also younger women/girls will have more time for cumulative damage to accumulate for those whose bodies aren't
clearing the shots. I know the particular rats are used because they have an accelerated lifecycle but I still (pessimistically) think decades of damage in a human might look different to a couple of months of damage in an accelerated rat.

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On the synchronicity of converging trends, the emergence of humanoid robots is nearing the mass launch stage for industry and then to general populations that can afford or claim entitlement. A rising AI dominated utopian techno-feudalist society, deeply authoritarian but with the narrative mask of legacy democratic theatrics, accelerates into the future, transhumanism the delusional goal.

All brought to us by the same cadre responsible for the genetic revolution through which we are now passing.

I want to see what happens the first time the humanoid robots go berserk and start spot-welding their supposed masters, or what have you.

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What a vision! Techno-feudist Nazis; AI-generated Nazis; utopian transhumanist Nazis; genetic revolution Nazis; LGBTQ+ Hitler in drag!!

Please pass the popcorn - it's promising to be quite the show. But watch closely, though, as it will not last long due to its inherent unsustainability: the fragility of the necessary advanced electronics coupled with rising energy costs associated with increasing scarcity will make it difficult for such a regime to last more than a couple of years, much less conquer the globe. Even Hitler was over and done with in about a decade or so, and never really got control of much beyond a few European countries.

The Japanese study came after the vax was authorized and distributed. The Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines were exempted from research into reproductive, oncological, and autoimmune issues in the US. The companies asked the FDA for permission to skip those studies and the FDA allowed it.

If I were a cynical man, I might be tempted to suspect that they knew where the problems would be...

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