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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2025-04-29 10:22 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 195

how it startedWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Anecdata

(Anonymous) 2025-04-29 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I rent an apartment in a higher-income neighborhood which has a lot of retirees. The surrounding neighborhoods have a high proportion of PMC folks. Historically the area has trended politically conservative. But a couple of years ago, the county's website on coronavirus showed that by early 2022, some 95% of people over 65 in the county had gotten the shots. So.

For the past couple years, I've been hearing EMT sirens almost daily. For the last year I've noticed that the main drag in my little retiree neighborhood, which used to be full of cars on a Saturday afternoon, is now almost deserted. I notice the same thing about the bigger main drag through the nearby shopping area, which serves both the retiree and the PMC neighborhoods.

It's not a constant state of desertion. At rush hours the roads are still busy, the grocery stores are still busy and full of people. (last Saturday at Trader Joe's was a mosh pit!!) But there are also these times when these roads used to be busy, and now they are not.

It's impossible to say whether people are just lairing up and doing all their shopping online, or if they are simply not present. Certainly, there is no increase in the number of dwellings for sale; in fact, prices are at an all-time high and availability at an all-time low. IDK, scratching my head.

- Cicada Grove
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[personal profile] thinking_turtle 2025-04-29 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)

Interesting! I live in a densely populated area with high rises (so low income.) It's the same here, the streets are often empty, especially outside rush hours. My guess is people are glued to their phones. As I am while I write this, haha.

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Organ Failure

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Hi Guys,
The local fire chief of our volunteer fire department was very big on getting the shots. He kept telling the firefighters that he had just had the latest booster. His wife just collapsed a few days ago. She was diagnosed with organ failure. She has been ill for a few years now and our medicos cannot figure out what is wrong with her... She was taken to hospital and is said to be doing better.

During Covid, one of the Fire Department members (unvaxxed) confided in me that whenever there was going to be a Covid-vaccination clinic on our little island, the fire department would practice for a mass casualty scenario. They would spend the evening and night after the clinic answering calls for heart attacks, people not breathing, strokes, unconsciousness and simple death. This would go on for a couple of days after the Covid clinics. The First Responders would all be out all night. Knowing this, the Fire Chief kept taking the shots and so did his wife who knew all about the mass casualty scenarios. Odd? Yes, I think so.
Maxine

Re: Organ Failure

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people are trained to accept these deaths as Covid deaths. They know that the shot does not kick in for two weeks (Pfizer told them so). So, what else can cause the death of a person right after taking the shot? It must be Covid, because experts told them about how bad it was.

If you do not believe that human minds can be this irrational, check nakedcapitalism comments especially after ImDoc posts. Even though this experienced doctor tells them that the whole thing is overblown and the vaxxes are untested based on feedback from his trusted students from FDA, the people in the comment section utter their parroted scripts.

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A Lockdown Tale: The Bus Driver

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
A story from a time when a simple bus ride turned into social chaos and persecution: https://francisoneill.substack.com/p/a-lockdown-tale

"I did not speak of this then. I did not want to add to the division being deliberately fostered, or to scare others who might dare show their faces into mute compliance.

It was cold. The wind seemed to blow through me like I was a fading memory of a different time. Faceless wraiths haunted the streets in their half lives.

The new calendar year had begun but it was the end of much that had preceded it. A particularly concerted two years of mental puppeteering, coercion, and herd manipulation was ending with punctured shoulders and illusions. Mandates had taken the jobs or the physical inviolability of care home workers, and walls and needles were closing in on NHS workers in a long set booby trap, piercing wills and arms.

I walked from Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Victoria railway station passing a portentous poster that said "winter is coming." It felt like it had been winter for eighteen months."

Re: A Lockdown Tale: The Bus Driver

(Anonymous) 2025-05-03 10:28 am (UTC)(link)
The author's presence of mind is way beyond what I would have been able to muster. I would immediately have become aggresive and even violent, which is why I tend to just remove myself from such situations.
But his approach was much more effective in lodging doubt in people's minds about how 'sane' or 'reasonable' or 'effective' the measures were.

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Geoengineers Want Boeing 777s To Dump Sulfur Into The Sky, Risking Acid Rain Catastrophe: Study

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/geoengineers-want-boeing-777s-dump-sulfur-sky-risking-acid-rain-catastrophe-study

'..in an attempt to cool the earth..'

these ppl are crazy.

[personal profile] slinky_weasel 2025-05-01 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
Dang. Humans gonna human, I guess, thinking we can control the world.

But if this actually validates the whole "chemtrail" conspiracy theory, it shatters all trust in media/government. Pairs well with the populace beginning to figure out all the lies they told us about covid. Their trust is already not good. This would kill it.

A less drastic option for geoengineering

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(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
here is some more about the spraying:

RFK Jr. publicly confirmed that Stratospheric Aerosol Injection programs are being deployed through jet fuel, which contains materials released into the atmosphere.

When questioned by a concerned citizen about the spraying in the skies, he promised to do everything in his power to stop it.

RFK Jr. has suggested that the operation may be linked to DARPA, the U.S. military’s advanced research agency.

RFK Jr. said his team will appoint someone to investigate, find who's responsible, and ensure accountability.

https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1917237788501586315#m

55 second clip at the link

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
So sulfur in diesel fuel is bad but is ok to dump in the air! I do not know what they are smoking but must be some fine stuff. Blueberry

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Study finds Pfizer COVID vaccine poses 37% greater mortality risk than Moderna

A study of 1.47 million Florida adults by MIT’s Retsef Levi and Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo finds significantly higher all-cause mortality after Pfizer vaccination compared to Moderna.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/study-finds-pfizer-covid-vaccine-poses-37-greater-mortality-risk-than-moderna/

(Anonymous) 2025-05-01 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Florida surgeon general Joseph Ladapo is associated with the University of Florida school of medicine. Located in the City of Gainesville the same place as Jeff Childers of Coffee and Covid. Blueberry

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ABLECHILD: Tennessee Sets National Precedent with Passage of AbleChild Bill Requiring Psychotropic Drug Testing in Mass Shooter Cases

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/04/ablechild-tennessee-sets-national-precedent-passage-ablechild-bill/

this is a good thing

(Anonymous) 2025-04-30 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
RFK JR: "The soda industry knocked on our door and said the SNAP program is not supposed to be about nutrition. We pointed out that there is no nutrition in a soda. They said it's not about nutrition. We said the name of the program is 'Supplemental Nutrition Assistance.'"

https://x.com/theblaze/status/1917627366282498129#m

I think this is from Trump's cabinet meeting

I hope it is ok, JMG, because it isnt strictly re covid.. but it is to do with health, and I am sure he will be saying more as time goes along.

Is it ok to post things like this here..?

I should have asked before I posted the spraying one as well.

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[personal profile] anonymoose_canadian 2025-05-01 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Has anyone else seen the meltdowns in the media about HHS requiring vaccines be tested against placebos? My personal favorite line, for the sheer lack of self knowledge shown, comes from the Boston Globe*:

"“It’s just not correct. They obviously don’t understand how vaccines are approved and how one obtains safety data,” said Michael Osterholm, a University of Minnesota infectious-disease expert who advised President Joe Biden’s transition team, adding that the change threatened the existence of coronavirus vaccines."

I can't think of any way to parse that other than "These vaccines cannot pass normal clinical trials". I did not think the mass media could surprise me anymore, but saying outright that requiring full testing is a bad idea because the coronavirus vaccines won't survive did actually surprise me.

*https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/04/30/nation/rfk-jr-vaccine-testing-placebo/

p;acebo testing

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BREAKING: The Amish have won a lawsuit against the Canadian government

(Anonymous) 2025-05-01 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"BREAKING: The Amish have won a lawsuit against the Canadian government for targeting the Amish with $300k in fines for “not using a COVID-19 app


The Amish said they don’t use phones.

So the Canadian government then put LIENS ON THEIR FARMS!!!

a lawsuit won by the Amish against the Canadian government, which had fined them $300,000 for not using a COVID-19 app while crossing the U.S. border, despite the Amish’s well-documented avoidance of smartphones due to religious beliefs.

The Canadian government escalated the issue by placing liens on Amish farms, a move seen as excessive since the Amish, as noted in a 2024 Amish America report, often lack the technological means to comply with such mandate."

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Do you have a source for this?

Dr. John Campbell -- NIH Confirms our Fears

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Dr. John Campbell is a retired nursing instructor who has been actively pushing the envelope of "acceptable" reporting on Covid for years. This clip, about 11 minutes, quotes the new NIH Director, Jay Battacharia (sp?), who has three strikes against the Covid vaccines: 1. the antigen dose varies uncontrollably depending on how much the vaccinated person expresses the mRNA. 2. the mRNA doesn't stay in the muscle where it's supposed to, so the antigen goes to various places in the body where it can be harmful, and 3. the mRNA may express other proteins than the intended, with unknown results, through "frame shifting" of the code.

Lathechuck

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(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Bhattacharya => is a Bengali surname.

"acharya" --> Brahmin priest
Bhatta --> scholar

Jay, his first name, is an abbreviation of Jayanta. It means victorious. We should celebrate a victory here.

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(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Hello,
Thank you all for helpful suggestions in this prior thread in March.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/319519.html?thread=54476831#cmt54476831

“My sister-in-law's (brother's wife) mother recently got diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia. Everyone in that part of my family is heavily vaxxed with Pfizer, and I suspect there is a connection.”

I am sad to report that she passed away today. They went with the chemo route, which seemed to work. Unfortunately she got infected by pneumonia and died rather suddenly.

(Anonymous) 2025-05-03 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
Many condolences.

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Covid boosters rejected by 85% of health care workers

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I heard that statement on the radio (mainstream media) while driving to work a day or two ago. The speaker thought that this showed unwarranted skepticism regarding mRNA vaccines, and it will be hard to prepare people for the next respiratory disease season.

I'm glad to hear that people are avoiding it, and that the news is actually reporting it.

Lathechuck

Re: Covid boosters rejected by 85% of health care workers

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I think many of us are way beyond scepticism and into hostility. I'm striving to get beyond that into obliviousness though.

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
HHS to require placebo trials for new vaccines, sparking policy shift under Kennedy

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/department-of-health-and-human-services-hhs-to-require-placebo-trials-for-new-vaccines-sparking-policy-shift-under-robert-f-kennedy-jr-coronavirus-covid-19-flu-vaccine-cdc-licensure-fda

this is good but i wish there werent going to be any 'new vaccines'

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Alert over flu-like disease that kills in ONE DAY landing on UK shores...get jabbed, experts urge

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14663077/meningitis-warning-mecca-pilgrims-saudia-arabia-vaccine.html

just saw this one.

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
It's "Meningitis W" per the article.

Here is Wikipedia about meningitis in general:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meningitis

Not a new disease, but not a nice one either.

- Cicada Grove

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DNI Tulsi Gabbard tells podcaster Megyn Kelly she's working with HHS to uncover Covid-19's origins, end gain-of-function research

"We have to end this gain-of-function research."

https://thepostmillennial.com/dni-tulsi-gabbard-tells-podcaster-megyn-kelly-shes-working-with-hhs-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins-end-gain-of-function-research

more investigations going on

Howard Odum Predicted "Information Storm" of 2020s

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi all,

Does anyone remember Howard Odum's theories from their Peak Oil days? He was a 20th century ecologist who came up with basis for EROEI but he called it "emergy" which is energy memory, it measures the energy it takes to transform one type of energy (fossil fuels) into a higher quality one (electricity).

Anyway, I found this graph (graph (a) in link below) from the Emergy Society which shows that his prediction of a peak of an "information storm" directly coincides with the ongoing covid debacle of the 2020s, which alone has generated large amounts of discussion. The very top of the peak actually appears to be right around 2030. Any thoughts on this?

It reminds me of Hari Seldon's predictions from the Foundation series.

https://www.emergysociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2007-13-4.jpg

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Week 195

Dear JMG and dear forumistas, thank you.

More deaths in my circles. Trends all continuing.

The MSM is quite something to behold in its continuing dunderheadedness on any and all reporting regarding vaccines. I note that the Trump administration is whacking the funding for PBS and NPR.

Cetiosaurus

(Anonymous) 2025-05-03 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
More deaths in my friend circle too. A friend of mine shared with me today that two friends of hers in their 60s just passed last week. I didn't ask for details and it sounded unexpected.

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
2026 budget proposal is released by WH -

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fiscal-Year-2026-Discretionary-Budget-Request.pdf

Check the NIH, CDC and other government research sections.

(Anonymous) 2025-05-02 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
"Three children locked inside 'house of horrors' for years are rescued by Spanish police."

Mom and Dad went a little nuts with the protocols. Reminds me of the Japanese soldiers holding out for decades after the war was over.

https://news.sky.com/story/three-children-locked-inside-house-of-horrors-for-years-are-rescued-by-spanish-police-reports-13359899

KVD

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Who is there to blame - the people who went crazy or the government/media, who manipulated them?

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Covid virus was made in Montana and then sent to WIV for testing -

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/man-who-created-covid-19-faucis-us-lab

"Perhaps most telling is that, as Haslam observes, SARS-CoV-2 transmits efficiently in only five known mammals, and those five – American deer, American deer mice, Syrian hamsters, American mink, and Egyptian fruit bats – are all found in Munster (and Fauci’s) Rocky Mountain Lab in Montana. SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t infect lab animals common in Chinese labs or present in the WIV, such as Chinese horseshoe bats. This would suggest that SARS-CoV-2 acquired its transmissibility in an American lab context and not a Chinese one or elsewhere."

Cholorine Dioxide

(Anonymous) 2025-05-04 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Where to buy Cholorine Dioxide?
Many thanks

Just watched the Universal Antidote documentary. Recommended

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isn't Cholorine Dioxide toxic? is this some form of trolling to try to close this forum?

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Chlorine Dioxide

(Anonymous) 2025-05-04 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Ya not a troll just forget to sign

Chlorine dioxide is not toxic when taken appropriately. EVERYTHING is toxic in a certain amount. Oh whats that saying the dose makes the poison.

Seriously looking for a reputable source of chlorine dioxide

Thx

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Well, it's your life.

Chlorine is an anathema to all forms of life on earth. Remember, chlorine gas was one of the nastiest weapons deployed in WW1.

That is why it is utilized as a disinfectant. It kills everything without exception. That would include all the beneficial microorganisms in your gut flora.

Chlorine causes cancer. It doesn't cure it. A better preventative would be to take a magnesium citrate supplement.

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(Anonymous) 2025-05-05 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
New Prime Minister Mark Carney is banning Twitter from Canada

https://x.com/TheRoyalSerf/status/1919126677524808008

(Anonymous) 2025-05-05 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
A Twitter post is hardly solid evidence. Try this article instead:

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/carney-vows-to-push-for-internet-censorship/63957

The Liberals have tried this twice before and failed both times. Mark Carney is simply continuing the agenda to block freedom of expression in accordance with the goals of his fascist WEF masters.

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