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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2024-09-10 11:16 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 162

Stonetoss for the winWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
A group of friends came up with, just yesterday, the theory that we are all cultural misfits. That we-and this is true for this particular group of people, quite possibly not all people who rejected the propeganda-are all raised by either parents from two very separate cultural backgrounds neither of whom adopted the other's culture, a family which came from a culture different than the one we grew up surrounded by and refused to assimilate, moved to a different culture as an older child, or were in some way unable to grok the cultural rules we were surrounded by, even if we could superficially pass well enough to succeed.

People who were forced to think about and analyze sociatal norms and customs conciously from pretty early, because there was no one right way, and we had to deliberately culturally code shift to thrive. At least for this particular group-and we're outliers because we found each other, of course-that is the commonality.

I think this is pretty significant, though, because I see similar habits on this forum: here we tend to look at words and body language and try to figure out what's meant, we don't just know what we're told, we have to figure out what they're saying, read between the lines, judge body language (see the conversation about the doctors above).

BoysMom

Re: Fire Cider Dream

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I just bottled my fire cider 2 days ago after 8 weeks of "brewing". I highly recommend adding horse radish root to the mix. It is fabulous in salad dressings and I use it in a potato salad that people rave about.

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it mostly comes down to whether you want to be told what to do, or want to take responsibility for your own life. Most humans just want an easy life, where someone else makes the decisions for them, without all the trouble of thinking for themselves.
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Re: Fire Cider Dream

[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-09-12 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a lovely recipe, and fire cider makings are part of our every September.

Of course every recipe becomes personal, and mine includes whole slices of grapefruit as well as lemons... It may be "misinformation" of course, but it has been said that grapefruits are a source of quinine, which, serious studies, by serious people, show is absolutely no help at all when it comes to ADVANCED cases of covid...

But, then, who knows how it might weigh up on the prevention side... ;)

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
To comment on your last paragraph—

For me the main "thinkers who would help me feel I was not alone and enabled me to solidify my own suspicions that something was far from right with the whole covid business" were John Michael Greer (our esteemed host) and James Howard Kunstler. I'd been reading them both regularly for some years already when 2020 struck, and thank goodness. They became my life rafts in this sea of covidian chaos and lunacy. So many other writers, they fell away, one after the other after the other (along with my friends and colleagues). I remember in 2021-2021 especially, it seemed that every week there was some writer / blog / podcast / magazine I'd been attending to for years that would emit some fascist kray-kray and, albeit startled, I would just sadly shrug, and say to myself, "Well, huh, another one gone." There were several bloggers and other writers whom I started reading ex-post (Coffee and Covid, A Midwestern Doctor, and others). But for me, JMG and Kunstler, they were and remain the main ones I read regularly.

Cetiosaurus

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
This fits with what I have seen in my life.
Cetiosaurus

Re: Colonoscopy.... postponed

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the update, and good wishes to you!

Re: Fire Cider Dream

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I top it up with a bit of sparkling water (mineral water with gas). It makes it goes down a lot easier.

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not claim that I know for sure, however, my stance is one of extreme skepticism towards any assertion that covid 19 damages the immune system of those who have not been vaccinated.

Certainly a covid 19 alters it-- our immune systems learn to defend against it, as is normally the case with any other infection from which a body recovers.

There are too many interests that have been and continue to be served by presenting covid 19 as being more dangerous than it in fact is. This was, of course, the entire argument behind the lockdowns, the masking, and the vaccines being both recommended and mandated.

Re: Fire Cider Dream

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Fantastic way to follow up on the wisdom of your dream. Speaking of old-time music, I just drafted an article on Matokie Slaughter between yesterday and today, and was listening to her (banjo). I will have to check out David Schnaufer. I have some Braggs in the pantry, so may at least drink some with water when I get home until I get the other ingredients.

Old time music + old time medicine = timeless health

JPM

[Matokie Slaughter and the Back Creek Buddies here: https://alicegerrard.bandcamp.com/album/saro ]

I knew it....

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So, there is a new study out from Johns Hopkins on "Well-Being At Work". It came across my email feed and I thought people here might get a kick out of this doozy.

The study "highlights the decline in the climate of workplace well-being since the COVID-19 pandemic through a comprehensive analysis of more than 4.5 million survey respondents each year."

Yes, you read that correctly - the DECLINE in well-being since the end of the "deadly pandemic."

The press release about the study goes on to say,

"The overall findings show what many employees experienced in the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic: organizational leaders addressing the impact of this crisis by taking extra care to meet employee needs. The report shows that employees experienced a spike in the positive climate of well-being at the early periods of the pandemic. However, as workplaces transitioned back to pre-pandemic norms and more employees return to physical office spaces, the overall climate of well-being often regressed to the pre-pandemic level."

Reading between the lines, I think this study is focused on office workers and others who got to stay home during the "deadly pandemic", and not on the "essential workers" who had to continue working, often while breathing through damp cloth all day, in the early days of the "deadly pandemic". The former experienced lots of positive well-being, apparently.

I said years ago, here and elsewhere, that the laptop class looooved the "deadly pandemic" for just this reason. It was a giant vacation.

And now we have an Official Study by Qualified Experts telling us as much.

More at this link: https://carey.jhu.edu/wellbeing-at-work

I know we're trying to focus more on pro-active health and our own "well-being" these days....but I just had to share this one!

- Mauve Erudite Stoat



[personal profile] escorcher 2024-09-12 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This makes sense to me. Too many people, including some here, are overly dismissive of a sneaky, lab 'enhanced' virus, albeit one that is not acutely a serious or mortal danger for most. Over the longer term though, I'd suggest all reasonable lines of protection and defence are advisable to avoid infection and certainly reinfection in anything less than 12 months or ideally more. And I guess if it does get you, keeping viral replication to a minimum is also probably a good way to go e.g. using anything that (could) aid the immune system from nasal sprays to 'fire cider' - thanks JMG on this (see a few comments above). Nothing here is medical advice - I ain't no doctor.

Woo Woo

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I have just ordered one each of the 33 & 34 Orgone generators to try. I did an internet search first, and various expert sources, such as Wikipedia, assure me that it is just Pseudoscience and WooWoo. After reviewing the evidence, I realized that it meets the same scientific standards used to validate the covid shots, and is more likely to be "Safe and Effective" then they were (As long as I don't trip and impale myself when carrying them down the stairs).
So in search of more "Woo" in my life, I am going to give these a try (and they look cute)
Dennis

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting point.

I was one of the people who said that I thought part of the reason I didn't get caught up in Cootie Mania was because I was raised by a narcissistic parent, and the covid-related manipulation tactics all felt really, really familiar.

But now that you mention it, I've also never gotten engrossed in the things you mention either.

I can watch a live sporting event and appreciate the skill and strategy of the players, but I can't really get caught up in caring who wins. (What difference does it really make? It's just a game.) Needless to say, I also lacked "school spirit" my entire educational career. Yes, if I knew people on the school team I would wish them well, and I can understand how playing sports could be fun for the participants, but in the back of my mind, I always knew that I could have just as easily wound up at a different school/college and be expected to cheer for them instead, so why was everyone so invested in who won? It all seemed kind of arbitrary. Weddings don't move me; I always feel a bit detached form what feels like a stage show to me. I can enjoy staged shows (theater, film), but I know it's not real.

I tend to find politics to be surreal as well - looking around thinking, why is everyone so worked up about this? Whoever gets elected will get elected and there will be some consequences either way and we'll have to deal with them and life will go on. (shrug)

Looking back, I've always been a bit "detached" for lack of a better word. Even as a child, I remember other kids getting caught up in things while I was standing there thinking "how odd".

I'm not un-emotional - I have, for example, cried at funerals and burials, but that's more directly related to a personal emotional response that would have existed even in isolation. (I ALREADY FELT grief, I wasn't just RESPONDING to the event, if that makes sense.)

I don't know if all of this is somehow related to being raised by a narcissist, or if it's something else entirely.

Re: Fire Cider Dream

[personal profile] robertmathiesen 2024-09-12 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I've used a local brand of Fire Cider, available from a small store, Farmacy Herbs, just down the hill from our house. (They also sell an Elderberry Syrup.) The other two things that make me feel much better in similar circumstances are Chinese Hot and Sour Soup and what we call "Grog," made from an old family recipe: to a good-sized mug of boiling water add sugar, lemon juice (as much as one can stand), and rum (151 proof, if available). Let cool to a drinkable temperature, then sip slowly. Nap after finishing if you feel like it.

Re: Ecosophia Prayer List

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The link doesn't show it. Do you have additional info about the item in question? I'm curious as well!

Re: Subjective minds

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish to chime in to say that Cetiosaurus spoke for me too. Thank you, John Michael Greer, for your generously sharing your knowledge and giving me the confidence to stand alone. The website I no longer read is Naked Capitalism (NC) due to their response to Covid 19 "issue." However, I'm grateful for NC for one huge thing: NC introduced me to your wonderful writing.
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Re: Fire Cider Dream

[personal profile] temporaryreality 2024-09-12 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, and then it's called switchel (kinda like what Laura carried out to Pa when he was haying). I made fire cider some years back, but couldn't get any of us to actually take it ;). Ginger juice yes, fire cider, nope.

[personal profile] escorcher 2024-09-12 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
And when I say reasonable, mask wearing is not practical, nor effective for most situations. I'm not advocating living like a hermit either (unless that's your thing). Personally I've avoided big crowd events and am mindful of ventilation plus I've upped my vitamin D (inc. sunshine) and have noted some supplement/food advice inc. from some who contribute to this little community.

Here's a memory from March 2020 as to the depths of crazy-ness some humans can get to though!
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/dont-take-the-coronavirus-challenge-it-involves-licking-a-toilet-bowl-and-it-could-kill-you.html
' The toilet licker told reporters Harrison Jones and Eleanor Lees: “I was tired of that b---h corona getting more publicity than ME. I’m the real celebrity.” '

And a reminder - we still ain't got this virus licked.
Edited (Extra info. and not so little) 2024-09-12 21:57 (UTC)

Re: Fire Cider Dream

(Anonymous) 2024-09-12 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking of ‘70’s flashbacks—the night before last I dreamed of Rick James performing “Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo.” ???

—Princess Cutekitten

[personal profile] boccaccio 2024-09-12 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
All good points imo. We've known for a long time that the virus attacks the T-cells and it is unknown how long the body needs to restore the damage. In the meantime one is also more vulnerable for other infections which will weaken one further.

Even in this open minded forum there seem to be quite a few people who seem to fall into the binary that either the vax or the virus is dangerous, but not both. The virus escaped from a bio lab (aka institute for biological warfare) so if a prototype bioweapon escapes and spreads all over the world, can we really be sure it is nothing more than a flu? I don't think so.

To make matters worse, there are several factors that will have an impact on the health of everybody.

First, the vaxxed seem to have additional immune damage that may cause them to have an abnormal high load of pathogens or for an abnormal long period. In the meantime they can spread those pathogens to everyone including the non-vaxxed.

Second, there is the ample circumstancial evidence that an unknown part of the vaxxed become super-shedders. Those spikes they exude will not distinguish between vaxxed and unvaxxed hosts.

Third, there are non-Coof factors like economic woos and a medical system that cracks at the seems that aill also undermine public health.
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Re: Fire Cider Dream

[personal profile] slclaire 2024-09-12 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Which one? (you knew I would ask ...)

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