Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

[ecosophia]

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Does this conjuction have any implications for the BOVID saga?

https://www.patreon.com/posts/mars-uranus-2024-107767498?utm_campaign=free_member_new_post&utm_source=post_link&utm_id=3d941603-9200-43f0-9872-3284c93f7e98&utm_medium=email


In synchromisticism Algol is associated with Medusa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q-emXrJVhY


And someone imolated himself during Trump process besides it....


Strange associations...

[ecosophia]

That's a fine question that, given the current state of the art in mundane astrology, is very hard to answer.

I wonder. Does anyone have access to the exact time and date of the first report of the first known case of Covid in Wuhan? It might be possible to erect and interpret a chart for that, and use it as -- in effect -- the natal chart of the entire Covid business. It would then be possible to compare that chart to other charts, like the Mars-Uranus-Algol conjunction, to see if they make aspects to the original chart.

[(Anonymous)]

Found in symptoms for patient zero on 1 December 2019,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_2019#1_December


But on 11 February 2020, the WHO named the disease COVID-19. And on 11 March 2020 WHO declared COVID a pandemic.

WHO headquarters are located in Geneva, Switzerland.


I think all dates are important, IMHO 11 February and 11 March 2020 are more important to the BOVID craze than the real disease behind...

[(Anonymous)]

Garland Nixon describes weird stuff, incl. people dying happening well before Dec 2019 in this podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTGV4v-elI

[(Anonymous)]

He doesn't suppose nothing he just provides facts...

If this turns out to be the truth this is according to my flavour of demonic hypothesis where the bargening was happening in June 2019, this was bad from the start and will be all the way bad until 2026.

C19 timeline

[mysteries_abound]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Not at all sure whether Wikipedia is the best arbiter of anything, but an article in the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall) that they reference indicates the first case was "on or about November 17, 2019". Guess you could just pick noon on the 17th and see what happens if it's not super time consuming to construct the chart and do a cursory analysis to see if anything jumps out at you.

MJ from MA

Re: C19 timeline

[(Anonymous)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_February_2020#:~:text=11%20February,The%20WHO%20gives%20the%20disease%20the%20new%20name%20COVID

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_March_2020#:~:text=11%20March,The%20World%20Health%20Organization%20declared%20COVID

[(Anonymous)]

quoting wikipedia, as I remember this, reports that the virus was circulating in France before it was generally recognised:

"Unconfirmed reports of early cases

A September 2020 review noted the hypothetical possibility that the COVID-19 infection had already spread to Europe in 2019 by presumptive evidences including pneumonia case numbers and radiology in France and Italy in November and December. However, a subsequent retrospective surveillance report determined there was no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 circulation in Rome (Italy) during this period.

Some medical and environmental analyses in Italy, France, and the US found results which suggested the virus was circulating prior to December 2019 by several weeks. A WHO report states: "the study findings were not confirmed, methods used were not standardized, and serological assays may suffer from non-specific signals". It urges further investigation of these potential early events."

So that all seems a bit questionable; patient zero, according to wiki's timeline again, was December 1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_2019#1_December

Despite the possibility that the disease was circulating before this, December 1 seems a reasonable date to me to cast a chart for, as the disease was early on referred to as the "WuFlu", so I think to say it had at least its symbolic, and possibly actual, beginning in Wuhan on Dec 1 2019 seems, um, reasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

September 2020 review noted the hypothetical possibility that the COVID-19 infection had already spread to Europe in 2019 by presumptive evidences including pneumonia case numbers and radiology in France and Italy in November and December. However, a subsequent retrospective surveillance report determined there was no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 circulation in Rome (Italy) during this period

That was the Fort Detrick source theory... That it first went in US undetected as the vape illness, glass lung and a lot of deaths in nursing homes, in June, July, August 2019, but most of the news were scrapped.

The theory started from this report from August 2019 by the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

[(Anonymous)]

The theory started from this report from August 2019 by the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

Just realized that the above is behind paywall, here is a version that is not behind paywall
https://web.archive.org/web/20190806000002/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

[(Anonymous)]

Donning my tinfoil hat here.... There were also multiple suspicious respiratory afflictions in the fall of 2019-- remember the panic over what was supposedly contaminated vaping cartridges? And hundreds of North Americans who participated in the 2019 World Military Games reported serious respiratory illness upon returning. (http://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/). Whether the caught it or brought it there is another interesting speculation.

Also, Australian TV was reporting a particularly bad flu season in 2019, only to have the diagnosis plummet almost to zero once COVID became fashionable. John Cullen has made me scratch my head endlessly over wth really happened.

I have a friend myself (East Coast of the US) who got flattened by something respiratory in the early fall of 2019.

Wikipedia is best regarded as a tool to tell what the ptb want you to think, imo.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

[(Anonymous)]

Here is the first date from chinese sources -

中国政府决定隐藏这些文件。

[ecosophia]

Unfortunately that sequence gets me a dog's breakfast of posts on various subjects from China. What's the URL where you found this?

[open_space]

The sequence of characters translate to "The Chinese government decided to hide these documents". I think the anon poster was being sarcastic.

[ecosophia]

Thank you all for this. Following up on these leads, I've gotten a fairly exact time for the first public announcement of the epidemic by any official body -- an announcement by the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on 31 December 2019, which was first posted to social media in China (as confirmed by screenshots on archive.org) at 10:16 am and 10:53 am local time. Since we have no idea when the first actual case was -- there are all those odd reports from the fall of 2019 -- I'm going to see what comes up for 10:00 am, 31 December 2019, Wuhan, China, as the start date for the official reaction to Covid.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty interesting that just before New Year 2020

[(Anonymous)]

I count that as a "yellow alert" that something's amiss. While it doesn't prove anything in and of itself (statistically, 1 in 365 major events should randomly occur on that date) it is the sort of timing one would aim for if conducting a controlled experiment.

[ecosophia]

A quick follow-up on that...

I ran a chart for the first announcement of Covid by the Wuhan authorities, and got this:


With three trines, four sextiles, and no negative aspect worse than a semisquare, this is not the chart for the beginning of a catastrophe. It's so positive that I'm wondering if the Wuhan authorities might have deliberately elected it -- that is, chosen a time to give themselves the best possible outcome.

So I ran a chart for noon on the day the first known patient in China went to the hospital, 1 December 2019:


This is much more like it. Notice the T-square with Mars and Uranus, the plague planets, forming the two ends and the Moon, the ruler of the 6th house of public health, in the middle, discharging straight into the 6th house. Barring other evidence to the contrary, I'm going to treat this as the initial chart for Covid, and see what can be learned from it. Thank you all for your help!

there was an illness in fall 2019

[(Anonymous)]

There was definitely a bad illness going around in fall 2019, probably not what we called COVID, I had it, in November of 2019, I dont remember ever feeling that sick before, flu like, very weak for weeks, over by thanksgiving.

I caught it from my daughter who was at UC Davis at the time, she got sick in October of 2019, her program there had started back up last week or so of September, so alot of young people got back there from all over. She was sick for a few weeks, so thought she wouldnt be contagious when she went to see me, because usually that would not be the case, but she was. She stayed not herself, weak what have you for months after, by spring 2020 developed asthma ( she had never had sign of it before, but genetically she would have that predisposition to have it from me), she went ot urgent care or ER once, then was so bad in class a classmate drove her to ER, couldnt breath, basically supported out of class and into a car. She ended up on daily inhaler for the next couple years. I know they did what they were calling COVID testing on her, PCR, and she did not show it. Later, when the red cross was desperate for blood, and wanted to assure the public on theblood supply, she gave blood where the red cross said they would test the blood for actual COVID ( not the PCR test ) and let donors know if they had ever had it, she says. And they said she was clear of it. So she says whatever she had wasnt COVID. She later got COVID, which was mild for her and her friends, had it twice and then they forced all the college students to vaccinate anyways, or get kicked out, and you can never go back to her program if that happened.

Seems there are two choices. If she is right and what we had wasnt COVID, then there was in addition to COVID another illness that winter that had already been going around that was bad, it was the bad one, not COVID. Recall that when someone went in very sick, that they gave a PCR test, and all that did was show that the person had been exposed to the teeniest bit of COVID DNA, did not test if they had an actual COVID infection.

If what we had was COVID, then that would mean the reason she didnt test positive on the COVID PCR test in spring of 2020 was because she was sick the previous October, so even though she was suffering the after effects and damage caused by it, "long COVID" she hadn't been recently exposed to the DNA in her environment, so didnt test positive on the PCR test. If that is the case, then the claims by red cross that they were testing the blood supply of donors was a lie. As they said they were testing for, I always mix up the Igg whateve, you know they markers in blood that you have had a certain infection. A real test, not PCR.

Atmospheric RIver

[temporaryreality]

How important is the actual first case versus official admission of cases? The Ethical Skeptic spends a great deal of time pulling in evidence to support a proposed, hushed, 2018 leak from Wuhan’s lab.

There was also some chatter about (waste?)water samples stored away in Italy from something like 2018 that were remembered a few years later and tested and found to have been contaminated with the virus…

[danius]

An astrologer I follow who is also a journalist, Eric Coppolino, tracked the entire Covid experience and he identified the release of the viral genome of COVID by Chinese scientists on January 10 and the publishing of the German nucleic testing protocol that was a the basis for the PCR test on January 17 (in Berlin) as important dates for the COVID Pandemic. These are what were able to be used to claim people were suffering from Covid-19. He used to have an entire Covid Chronology on his website, but it seems to no longer be there. So the dates may be slightly off. These dates are very close to the January 12, 2020 Saturn/Pluto conjunction.

[ecosophia]

Thank you for this.

[danius]

I found the link to the chronology in case anyone is interested (or even still looking at this thread.) The chronology covers 2006-2020.

https://audio.pwfm.tech/documents/covid-chronology-5.3.0.4.1.pdf

To make a correction to my post above, January 10 was when the Corman/Drosten assay for the PCR test was released. The WHO published the PCR protocols on January 17, 2020.

[quoadsacra]

As I continue to try and make sense of what on earth happened in 2020, I recently went back back in time by looking at what people were saying on this blog four years ago as things started to unfold.

The first reference to events in China I have been able to find on this blog was reply to a post
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/78353.html?thread=7178257#cmt7178257 which was made on 26 January 2020 at 8.28 am UTC.

The original post was "The Mysteries of Merlin" on 23 January - the first day of the lockdown in Wuhan. 23 January 2020 was also the day world press covered a story about the "sound" of an Egyptian mummy vocal chords which one poster on the article linked to. And a horrible creepy sound it was too.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/23/talk-like-an-egyptian-mummys-voice-heard-3000-years-after-death

[(Anonymous)]

I was alone in a big Egyptian exhibition at a major public art gallery (big city) and the only one there late one night - when the gallery stayed open a night or two till nine pm. So during my unexpected time of quiet and focus I started to realize something is going on here with great power and I'm not so sure it feels benign. I didn't know what it felt like but it hit me like a ton of bricks this is above my pay grade. That mummy idea freaks me out a bit. Maybe tomorrow - at high noon! :-)