ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 110

I know an unvaccinated person who seems to be part of this same egregore, it looks like is part of this demonic pact. It is strange since he is not even in US nor has ever been, he also hated Trump. How do this people were able to be part of the same group.

What will happen with thia marginal people...

Also makes me wonder what kind of power this demon has, could it be a satan, not The Satan, but it office role for this times.

Because it was never "possession through injection", that sounds more and more like a macabre cyber-wet-punk short story. You had to partake in the zeitgeist of the fear and the hate for this thing to get a hold of you. Maybe the shots make you more vulnerable in some way or another, at the very least they seem to act on the etheric plane... but if evil was this easy, we would all be living in Hell on Earth by now.

If you see a simile in the Jonestown affair, the kool-aid may have put an end to their misery, but what poisoned them were Jim Jones' words.

I'm not the poster you are responding to but I have to say, I have never heard the phrase 'macabre cyber-wet-punk' before and it sort of dances in the air.

I'm sensing 'On the Waterfront' blended with 'Blade Runner.' :-)

If you see a simile in the Jonestown affair, the kool-aid may have put an end to their misery, but what poisoned them were Jim Jones' words.

Thank you, for your response I really think this describes it well.

Do I neee to add that although he is old he thinks this war with Russia is a good thing, it looks there is a corelation between hating Russia and the mandates, the most was seen in the Baltic countries. Strangelly Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania are an outlier in this.

I personally hold the view that geographically the fall of the narrative will manifest in some tectonic shift into the Warshow Pact Countries. I base this on the fact that with the war in Ukraine there was a weakening of the narattive.

I'm not sure, myself, that the Ukraine war is what we think it is. Earlier in the war a friend stormed off (actually) when I didn't condemn Russia.
I see it now as a 'not war' (I've been reading a couple guys and they have rather convinced me) - a 'not war' that immensely profits oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine ---- and as well the New World Order replacing the USA with China primarily, and Russia second, Russia is pure WEF, Soros etc...

---- and as well the New World Order replacing the USA with China primarily, and Russia second, Russia is pure WEF, Soros

While I agree that Russia wants a New World Order with China, a Fair World Order as they say, fair for Russia not for me and you, I don't think Russia is WEF, and Soros, personally I think WEF and Soros are both fronts for CIA just by checking Venn Diagrams between their common organisations and causes. So I doubt CIA is Russia.

Vladimir Putin is an old associate of Klaus Schwab, Herman Gref of Russia's main bank (SberBank) is on the WEF website as an associate, and the government is pushing for digital currency, clot shots, and mass immigration just as hard as any of the "Satanic Globalists" that Putin is allegedly standing up against. See Riley Waggaman's blog for more info: https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/

That Ukraine war is a (double-sided) scam of the first order. Brutal.
Slow-motion Lahaini.

Kindly do not keep pushing this, as it has been debunked many times, here and elsewhere.

If you step away from the caricature of Putin by the western press, evaluate his actions over the past 2+ decades (he came to power in 1999), he has played a brilliant set of hands with the cards that he was dealt with, saving the Russian state and putting things in motion to help restore balance to the world (not hyperbole).

The link you shared - I'm surprised that you can't tell that the author is literally making almost everything up, and it's just full of projection of what is happening in the west, he says is happening in Russia. Seems like that's par for the standard of western-aligned propaganda nowadays.

I'm currently based in SE Asia, and I can tell you from my perch here that in the greater sweep of history, Putin is likely to be viewed extremely favourably as a leader and statesman. As a matter of coincidence, I was recently watching a video where a respected mystic was asked when he felt that astral tide began to change for the better..... he mentioned 2 events, with Putin's ascendency being the first event. Trump's election was viewed as the 2nd... from a bigger perspective, the hypocrisy and ineptness of the effetes became fully exposed, and their increasingly draconian measures should be viewed as a sign of flailing in desperation, not of how much power that they actually still hold.

the hypocrisy and ineptness of the effetes became fully exposed, and their increasingly draconian measures should be viewed as a sign of flailing in desperation, not of how much power that they actually still hold.

That is a great quote, I needed that, they still hold so much, that it makes you despondent, that they are invincible, helps you keep the grip when in fact you see them in panic.

As a prime example of the 'power' which the effetes wield... yet ultimately in vain... just think back to the largest ever air defence exercise ever held by NATO which ended around June 22/23. All the forces were assembled... and voila, Prigozhin launched his 'coup' attempt on the 23rd. Within 12 hours, all the leading western presstitudes (like NYT) had more than half their front pages devoted to the coup, forcasting how quickly Putin will fall and the likely chaos to come etc. The theory was that NATO would then be invited into help settle the situation ... as those NATO forces had already been waiting in the neighboring countries. Prigozhin had apparently been paid/promised anywhere from 2 to 6 billion dollars, with likely half upfront to launch his coup... and he was suddenly hailed in the western press as the Russian savior, when just a week prior, he was cast as the evil russian mercenary.

Yet within 24 hrs, the entire coup attempt was shown to be a sham.... barely a shot fired... and super eggnog on all the western 'analysts' and reporters faces.

That's why when someone repeats that Putin is affiliated with the WEF/Klaus etc, I just go... erm, real world events have consistently shown otherwise...

Unfortunately the western population have only two versions:
- that Putin will somehow help them, which even if Putin is genuine he will help Russia's own population.
- or that Putin si just another WEF puppet and somehow, he makes this war to implement the Plan.

So we are to believe the commentator who is based in SE Asia over the commentator who is based *in Russia*, who is supporting everything he says with links *from the Russian government*. But the latter is apparently just "making everything up", so we can all go back to sleep and trust Big Daddy Putin will save us all from the evil globalists tomorrow (trust me, he's playing 5d chess, you guys wouldn't understand).

If you wish to remain in your cosy world of good-guy Russians vs bad guy globalists, then that is your prerogative, but if you would like me to refrain from posting reputable material from a reliable source based in the very country he is reporting on, and who is topical and relevant to these open threads, then I'm afraid I cannot grant you your wish.

In all seriousness, can you actually point me to where Riley has been discredited? Like, properly dismantled with actual specific evidence that isn't just "he's a Western shill, he's making it all up, I'm surprised you can't tell"?

I'd like to suggest that it's time to draw a line under this conversation, as it's veered very, very far off topic for this forum.

"Not-war" seems to be the right term! Indeed Russia never declared war, but is calling this a "Special Military Operation".

"Not-war" seems to be the right term!

Is not in term but also terms and actions. Russia and China go to great lengths to maintain the status quo and don't make the Western elite feel any kind of pain.

Why? Because the way things are going in US and Europe are so distructive for the West that Russia and China needs to maintain this as long as possible...

America, (or rather the corporatist elite that runs it) is senile and demented, but still dangerous. Crazy, deluded, reckless and armed to the teeth.
"Handle With Care" is probably the guiding principle of the foreign policy for Russia and China as it should be for any other nation that has to deal with it.

'Not-war' in terms of not really fighting a war to win a war. Something else is going on. Something weird and strange. Duplicitous.

As Bobby Dylan once said, '
Al the criminals in their suits and their ties
are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise...'

At least they died quickly after drinking the koolaid. This is draaaaaaaggggggiiiiiinnnnngggg ooooooonnnnnn iiiiinnnnn slooooooow moooooootionnnnnn.

I will continue to keep maximum distance between myself and the pharma industry at all times. Eat well, live well, no shots of any kind, thank you. Good luck to everyone.

I agree. Sunshine on your face, a diverse biome, maybe some dirt under your fingernails. Don't let them tell you that your present life as a chronic condition to be treated; it isn't. Bon courage and blessings to all who will accept them.

It's not even fall yet but in the last two weeks I have four co-workers who all got rather sick, presumably all of them having received the "vaccine". Two with covid, two with mystery illnesses.

I don't remember a time in my life where people were missing work so much before the weather has even turned cool. There is a part of me that wonders how much of this could be psychosomatic – one sees the people around them getting ill and then they get ill. If it's actually "real" illness at this time of year, I am worried about what the winter is going to look like just from the standpoint of friends, coworkers, and loved ones becoming sick, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

jmg - you stating that this period may "well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster" has me concerned. I can see the pieces lining up for a rather brutal season.

Wishing strength and good health to all.

I really do think that the one thing that will save this from becoming a true mass-catastrophe, if there will be anything, is that the problems involved in manufacturing and storing mRNA vaccines resulted in somewhere between a quarter and a third of those injections being essentially inert slush. My older brother received four injections, and it's my fervent hope that at least the final three or middle two of those were that very inert slush.

Do you know the result of improper storage is inert slush and not something else?

I'm clueless about what it really is - this inert slush - but I hope its not something a psycho would dream up like the idea for a sci-fi thriller

From what I've read, RNA is generally unstable outside the cell fluid and generally decays to nothing. So, best case would be inert slush.

Question is: How well were they able to stabilize the stuff and which parts were most stabilized? If it's an inert section, few worries (although one wonders if there's such a thing as truly inert genetic material), if it's the section of mRNA that creates turbo cancers or contains both the original spike plus a way to imbed the genetic material into the genome we're in trouble.

– Donald Hargraves

Yes, if this was normal mRNA, it very quickly breaks down. But,

a) They intentionally altered the structure to stabilize it. Does anyone know what happens with this synthetic mRNA? Does it break down in the same fashion? Does it produce any unexpected byproducts?

b) What about the adjuncts? Do those break down, and what are the results if they do?

I would love to know what the lifespan and environmental fate of this modRNA is. Last I heard someone offer an imformed opinion I think the body tries to eliminate it but sometimes it collects in the lymph nodes? But honestly I wish I have a primary antibody or a dozen raised against it and could do some immunostaining and work out whether it's still around and where it's going. Usually phosphate compounds are scavenged very fast by environmental microbes, but there are situations in which artificial molecules defy breakdown such as where they are produced in industrial processes that have the 'wrong' levo rotamer for biological enzymes to handle.

Murky Impudent Llama

This is going to turn into a cultural thing innit? Like with smoke breaks were for smokers, they just get to work less than you, because, well, just because.

So we'll have sick breaks for the vaccinated. They just get to work less then you because, well, just because.

Well, you might as well follow along. Claim that you need a sick break too.

Or not. Employers aren't supposed to take into account who uses all their sick leave and who doesn't, when they have to downsize... but they totally do.

Does anyone here know the ratio for cooties on PPM?

Posted this quickly thinking everyone who comes here knows this off the top of their head. Sure, it's 300 part per million, which is the number I had for so long, I don't remember where I got it from. Yes, I could have done an internet search to confirm. Do I trust the internet anymore? No, of course not, but I do trust you random people here :)

When masking first started, I remember thinking, people this thing is 300 PPM, seriously, a mask is just about useless against anything that small. Never said it out loud but think I should now, if I can confirm my math. Not that science or logic will change anyone's mind. My only real trump card is cigarette smoke. In the few times I had a mask outdoors and walked past a smoker, tasting their brand as I passed, I knew we were fools to fall for this. That was March 2020.

I think the term you are looking for is "nm"

By the way, there is a simple way to tell if your mask is filtering out viruses. Can you breath with it on? If the answer is yes, then it's not filtering out viruses.

I'm probably gonna regret this but here goes.

I'm just not completely dismissive of masks.

I have worn a fitted one for short periods of time in our house communal areas for the last few days out of courtesy to my housemates as I currently am setting lfts bright red. I'm also opening windows and washing my hands on occasion.

I absolutely agree longer-term en-masse masking doesn't work but selectively and with the right product I think they can be useful in reducing likelihood of infection over short periods of time. They are especially useful if the wearer is the one with an infection and is trying to avoid passing it on. I do get that more than short term use is probably not healthy for the wearer, hence why I will limit my time where I feel I need one.
I also get why someone with a big bushy beard might not bother!

Of course I would probably care quite a lot less in all this if my partner did not have a chronic health condition but there you go.

I don't think you should regret saying this at all. In truth, much as I've highly valued this forum, I've found the lack of a nuanced discussion on this issue frustrating. Unless I've missed such nuance, not having read every post, but the fact that you were nervous saying it shows the slant there is here.

I say that as someone who decided I wouldn't wear one myself, but more out of desire to protest ALL the B.S. and group think we'd been subject to.

That's my 0.02 eurocents anyway.

JH

Well, if someone wants to wear a mask in public, I'm not going to make a scene about it. I just think it's a shame that I feel the need to keep one in the back-pocket of my work-pants for riding the bus in case the bureaucrats decide to come out and say, "You have to wear a mask again because purple-monkey-dishwasher-flip-flappity-floop."

That's just it, though-- you chose to do that, yourself.

You wanna wear a mask, that's your call.

The problem comes when people try to pressure the rest of us into doing it.

Absolutely.

I bet you're right about masks'utility — occasionally helpful for prevention in some situations, especially if not overdone, but probably not the hugest deal either way. In my rural area, I don't wear them myself, but for those who do, I support you. Just no extreme mandates, por favor; everyone show consideration, and all is well.

I do want to communicate opposition to the "pharma regime" publicly, and sometimes not masking does communicate that, so I may flaunt rules occasionally, but not rudely, and not with emotion or for personal attention, and probably not so stridently that I wouldn't put a mask on for convenience if necessary shopping or something absolutely required it.

"I think they can be useful in reducing likelihood of infection over short periods of time"

Seems reasonable to me.

There are a lot of studies posted in 'alternative narrative' forums that disprove mask effectiveness and in fact argue for the opposite.

But you know, without a hint of sarcasm, whatever gets you through the night.

Well, the evidence seems to suggest that masks are not very useful at stopping viruses.

My understanding is that most viruses (including SARSCoV-19) are small enough to fit through the masks, and if you're infected with SARSCoV-19, you just breath out aerosolized viruses that go through masks. So no, they don't really do all that much to stop covid and other viruses. Masking policies as seen during cootie-mania were pretty much useless. Especially because non-symptomatic transmission wasn't really much of a threat.

That said, yes, obviously, masks may be useful in some situations. They do stop droplets of spittle and snot from escaping, which means that the germs suspended in the oral or nasal secretions are contained by the mask. Some diseases do transmit through droplets, so a mask will reduce the amount of viral or bacterial load being spewed into the environment in liquid form by a symptomatic person. Masks can also cut down on sick people rubbing their noses or mouths and then accidentally spreading infected secretions onto surfaces where they may be picked up by others. (It's my understanding that fomite transmission was shown to NOT be a major cause of covid transmission, but that doesn't mean it can't be an issue with some infections - so yes, there is some argument to be made for covering your nose and mouth when symptomatic in a public place.) Masks are also useful for surgeons and dentists leaning over open wounds and mouths, to help cut down on nasal and oral contact with bodily fluids going in either direction.

In sum, I think the only real benefit of masks outside of surgery/dental work is on actively symptomatic people. Ideally, if you're coughing and sneezing and sick, you should STAY HOME. But if you have to go out, covering your nose and mouth for a brief foray into a public area will probably reduce the amount of droplets you expel into the environment, and may help minimize touching your face and then other things, which will probably help reduce the viral or bacterial load you spread about.

If, back in 2020, the powers that be had told us to wear a mask if you have active respiratory symptoms and have to leave the house, I wouldn't have thought it unreasonable.

But force-masking healthy people was essentially useless, and actively harmful.

Agreed. I would just inch masks' ability to limit viral-vector spread a minute bit higher to include the occasional random spittle we're all so horrified to notice that we spew out on each other while speaking. Still, that would pretty much only constitute a viral-spread issue while the spittler was symptomatic, but I could see a tiny window existing for infection by spittle spewing in the brief period before any percussive snot explosions manage to register as exceeding the normal baseline (especially for those accustomed to enduring seasonal allergies.)

Could that in any way justify perpetual masking? Of course not, since humans have been randomly spittling on each other throughout our evolution! At certain stages we were even supplementing our protein intake by eating blood-gorged bugs off of each other, so we do appear to be a fairly resilient species.

As for forced-masking, that was never anything but a self-soothing attempt by TPTB to tell themselves through visual metaphor that they had succeeded in muzzling all dissent. Double masking was then doubly self-soothing by pantomiming double the muzzling. Those desperately mewled-about and grasped-at temporary pacifiers ended up costing TPTB much more of their real-world ability to manage dissent than they had ever bargained on.

In Kübler-Ross's stages of grief (over rapidly becoming The Powers That Had Been,) that bargaining would naturally follow after working through the anger of a mighty tantrum of derangement, and would naturally precede a much-needed depression (allowing the rest of us to finally breathe a much-needed sigh of relief!) So much of the recent craziness we've been living through (Covid hysteria cult, NATO suicide by Ukraine, WEF reset wetdreams, Trump derangement syndrome, etc.) makes quite a bit more sense when simply viewed as failed attempts by TPT(H)B to bargain away overwhelming grief.

I wonder if TPT(H)B could get some kind of group discount on grief counseling... because they are certainly going to need a lot of it! Always from credentialed experts, of course, the only ones they would ever deem safe enough to entrust their fragile psyches over to. Alas, that ends up sounding less like therapy to me and more like a TPT(H)B circle jerk... with a discount coupon, no less! What other sufferings and deprivations might the impoverished wealthy soon have to endure? No more private jets to Burning Man? How ever will they survive?

— Christophe

I tend to think of masks in a stochastic/statistical manner.

If I am genuinely concerned that the virion can be transmitted via small droplet aerosols, then masks can reduce the odds of transmission. They cannot reduce it to zero, but they can reduce it. Best I can figure, chance of transmission gets a drop around 40-50% with any sort of mask. More complex/expensive masks can increasevthat drop.

If the persons you are around wear masks, the chance of transmission drops even farther. If you reduce output of aerosols by 50% and then reduce the probability of uptake by 50%. The way that I look at it, you can reduce your chances of cooties by 75%.

So, masks do make sense to me. Reducing probability of infection seems like a good idea.

So really, what you need to do is establish what level of risk you are willing to accept that and what the actual consequences of infection would be to you as an individual. I have no problem with you wearing a mask, hell, I would even put one on myself if you asked nice, that is just common courtesy.

I just solve the problem by staying away from people as a general rule. Being a curmudgeon has its own rewards.

Trying to keep an open mind, I've seen persuasive evidence that 1) there are some masks that work to reduce the probability of severe illness, and 2) that mask mandates do not work at all to prevent the spread of a pandemic.

Unfortunately, nuance gets lost between the two camps chanting "masks work" and "masks didn't work". Part of the problem may be that faith in masks leads masked people to neglect other preventative measures: vitamin D, "staying away from people", etc. Failure of mask mandates ignores the fact that some people wore no masks, some wore paper surgical masks that simply catch the flying goobers, some wore fabric masks of varying effectiveness, and only a fraction wore really good, close-fitting masks (and then, not all the time).

Personally, I sewed some double-thick flannel masks that seemed effective and comfortable, and I got covid at a church picnic where I thought being outside (mostly) in the sunshine was enough. And I was ill for about two days.

Lathechuck

Yeah, there's certainly no one failsafe protection.

I've been occasionally using nasal sprays too and will continue to use Carragelose spray just before going into short term crowded situations or working with people who might be ill. I am also writing this while out in the midday sun - I'm very aware of vitamin D courtesy of a brush with MS.

Heh. When I traveled in rural SE Asia, I wore a mask like everybody else-- while walking along dusty roadsides and riding on motorbikes. Because the roads are dusty, and every vehicle kicks up a cloud of dust.

If roads were like that here, I'd wear them here too. Visible dust is one of the few things they're good for ;)

Well since the whole thing started I have been consistent in respecting the right of other people to wear to a mask if they so choose. I also acknowledge that, unlikely as it may be, that there may be one or more of any number of reasons why a person may decide to wear a mask, aside from concern about cooties, for example, to cover a broken front tooth, recent unsightly plastic surgery to, oh, say, remove a large skin cancer on the lip or chin or tip of nose, an outbreak of herpes blisters.... Or maybe the person just has a lot of anxiety that they find they can soothe by wearing a mask.

Unless I have reason to think they're about to rob the joint, or they're at my front door asking for Halloween candy (in which case, I'll hand some out), it's not my business why another person would want to wear a mask. I might not like it, however it's just, to repeat, not my business.

I feel strongly about respecting medical privacy-- it's integral to medical freedom.

That said, the evidence is ovewhelming that masks do not work to prevent viral infections (including testimony I transcribed from certified industrial hygienists), and masks have been mandated by authorities under false pretenses to muffle and subdue people, and nudge us to get jabbed, and for that reason I resent the heck out of these masks, and I will push back against mandates to wear them, I will not wear a mask for "covid" or whatever virus, not ever again, period.

Thanks for being on the forum, for feeling comfortable enough to say what you said, and thanks also to our host for keeping us civil.

Echoing other comments, I certainly don't object to your coming to a conclusion different from my own and choosing to wear a mask sometimes.

(I promise this little story is true, and I'm sharing it in a lighthearted spirit.) I happened to read your comment while enjoying my annual cigar tonight, out under the stars. I doubt that anyone sitting next to me wearing anything except a sealed respirator would have failed to smell cigar smoke vividly. Nor do I expect my mask would have impeded any exhalations of cigar smoke. Taking smoke particles as a proxy for the (smaller) aerosols that spread Covid, I just can't see masks as effective protection.

I wish you and your partner excellent health and I'm glad you shared your thoughts here.

I haven't smoked since I was 21 or 22 and during this, uh, 'pandemic,' I certainly have wanted to start again. I haven't but Congratulations on enjoying your cigar! :-) :-) :-)

For evidence supporting the hypothesis that nicotine smoke is protective against viral infections that attach to the ACE-2 receptor, see this article. It was run by an organization whose primary purpose is preventing people from taking up smoking.

They were quite surprised by the results; yet they concluded that nicotine may indeed have a therapeutic role in prevention and treatment of those viruses that use the ACE-2 receptors as a pathway to infection.

Role of Cigarette Smoke on Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme-2 Protein Membrane Expression in Bronchial Epithelial Cells Using an Air-Liquid Interface Model

Massimo Caruso, Alfio Distefano, Rosalia Emma, Michelino Di Rosa, Giuseppe Carota, Sonja Rust, Riccardo Polosa, Pietro Zuccarello,Margherita Ferrante, Giuseppina Raciti, and Giovanni Li Volti

Lega Italiana Anti Fumo
Italian Anti-Smoking League
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.652102/full

ORIGINAL RESEARCH
published: 30 March 2021
doi: 10.3389/fphar.2021.652102

I'd seen the statistical data that smoking was negatively correlated against severe covid infection in young to middle-aged adults, but assumed that it reflected the tendency for smokers to go outside several times a day and, while smoking, get some sunshine (and vitamin D). It's interesting to see that there may an entirely internal chemical basis, as well. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

Lathechuck

The effects of nicotine on the Angiotensin Converting Enzymes (ACE) suggest to me a potential line of research on other smoke-delivered substances such as aromatic resins and volatile organic compounds (VOC) found in incense smoke.

Tobacco was once primarily used as a sacred ceremonial herb. Likewise, incense has long been used to purify the air in churches, temples and public spaces where crowds celebrate religious festivals.

This suggests to me the possibility that incense-delivered VOCs might also block uptake of viral infectious agents by pre-occupying ACE receptor sites. Study design could compare essential oil diffusers with burnt incense to see how smoke or oil aerosols perform relative to each other. Do they each have a preventative effect against viruses or have a therapeutic effect post infection? Eucalyptus leaf oils and camphor for example. Also cedar, pine, cinnamon and florals.

Thanks Escorcher for raising the subject. I use a mask too on occasion to protect myself against droplets, especially when I'm close to someone who seems ill. For protection against aerosols I don't use it as masks don't seem to stop aerosols. In that case I use other measures: nasal spray with xyli...(forgot the name) and Echinaforce. Like the mask, I use it only when I am in a higher risk situation like traveling in a plane. Most of the time I just live my life without worrying and do the things one does to stay healthy (healthy food, good sleep, vit D, yadayada)

I'm still wearing a mask, for hay fever--a bumper crop of ragweed in this heat. Since around 2005, each spring I would see police in their cruisers wearing white face masks for that very purpose, and come to think of it...why is it that I noted it among the police specifically? Another thing I noticed about the local cop was that the highest readings on my radiofrequency meter occurred in his close vicinity. He admitted the cops were worried about possible biological effects from that. One of the benefits I noticed when I started limiting my exposure to radiofrequency radiation was that my allergies improved greatly. But I'm off track.
I wear the nose rag for as long as it takes for me to stop sneezing and get back to normal, then I take it off and go wash it. Throughout Asia, people in heavy traffic, especially on motorcycles, also swear by these things.
But against colds? I think people wear them for psychological comfort. They are still being required in most shops in Japan, and people go along with it, but I'm seeing and hearing about a quiet but adamant revolt against masking here. The first people to tell me to take off that dang mask, in June 2020, were fellow hikers. Since then, a lot of other people have also decided they are a crock.

Eighteen years ago, when I was living in Yogyakarta and traveling around by motorcycle, masks weren't much of a thing there yet, but Yogya is not a particularly large nor congested city by Asian standards. Whenever I had the distinct misfortune of needing to go to Jakarta, on the other hand, masked motorcyclists and becak drivers were not an unusual sight, due to the truly horrid traffic fumes. Desert sand storms seem to inspire a lot of mask compliance as well, but I'm not sure that they're actually as bad as Jakarta traffic fumes!

— Christophe

There may be a second factor in favor of wearing masks: warmth and humidity, in an otherwise cold and dry environment. I have noticed that when my sinuses start to get congested while lying in bed, if I put a towel or clean T-shirt over my face, the extra warmth and/or humidity reduces the congestion within just a few minutes. If we suppose that upper respiratory infections happen because the lower temperatures just below exposed skin are more favorable for viral growth (and since fever suppresses viruses, that seems plausible), then even if a mask cannot prevent the entry of virons, it may prevent them from getting established.

There's a logical gap, you know, in "masks can't work, because viruses are too small to be blocked". There may be other mechanisms for a mask to be useful. I imagine viruses riding in the air through one of my flannel masks as being like downhill skiers flying through a forest, blindfolded. There's plenty of space between the trees, but you only need to run into one of them to ruin your day.

Lathechuck

When I first encountered their use in Japan nearly 40 years ago, specifically for people who have already caught a cold, the explanation was as you've noted. I've found them helpful in such a way too, as long as I replace and wash them frequently. Otherwise they can cause me a worrisome cough.
What seems to have happened this time is the Japanese took it as a point of pride that they had virtually no resistance to mask-wearing and were complying at a high rate. They haven't really examined the assertion that it will halt the spread, but I think a lot of people have been drawing their own conclusions recently, especially as they have been catching COVID repeatedly despite the vaxxes and masking.

This egregious misunderstanding about masks is the kind of thing that happens when a 'scientific' conclusion is drawn from the evidence without a thorough investigation of the underlying facts. The practice of mask wearing by medical staff during surgery in particular and care of the ill in general in clinical settings does indeed reduce the rate of infection - but nobody who studied it ever really investigated how or why this happens; they all just take it on faith that the mask acts as a filter to stop the germs. Recent very simple testing demonstrates that aerosol sprays, cigarette smoke, moisture droplets, and a host of other contaminants all far larger and easier to trap than a virus or bacterium all penetrate these masks. The masks cannot filter out the infectious agents from the wearer's breath, yet somehow they do indeed reduce the rate of infection during surgery. Why?

Most people have an unsanitary habit so deeply ingrained in them from childhood that they do not even observe themselves doing it. How many of you can read a newspaper, count money, or open a paper or plastic bag without first licking your finger? Try it sometime. The surgeon's point of contact with the patient's open wounds is the tip of his finger; the germs are harbored inside his mouth. The mask keeps the fingertips out of the mouth. Mask-wearing in any other context is pure hogwash.

Well that's a good start then, I'm forever chewing my nails and fingers.
I also guess you'd give me plenty of space if I was wearing one, crazed fool that I am. That'd probably help too, especially as I've set a few of them lateral flow test things off this week. And something's now run off with half my sense of smell, which is annoying.

I would like to second (third, fourth...) what others have been saying. Glad you spoke up. This forum has taught me the value of dissensus and that we can disagree civilly.

A local kids museum we went to advertised mask times. Once a week, first thing in the morning, for one hour, all visitors must wear a mask. The rest of the time it is by choice. I'm ok if more institutions go this way. I see it as a middle ground. We won't attend at that time, just as we don't go to the sensory friendly times, or busy times, etc.

Found this on DEnis Rancourt's website home page.

2021-08-02 ::: Open Letter to the Unvaccinated

Angela Durante, Denis Rancourt, Claus Rinner, Laurent Leduc, Donald Welsh, John Zwaagstra, Jan Vrbik, Valentina Capurri

You are not alone! As of 28 July 2021, 29% of Canadians have not received a COVID-19 vaccine, and an additional 14% have received one shot. In the US and in the European Union, less than half the population is fully vaccinated, and even in Israel, the “world’s lab” according to Pfizer, one third of people remain completely unvaccinated. Politicians and the media have taken a uniform view, scapegoating the unvaccinated for the troubles that have ensued after eighteen months of fearmongering and lockdowns. It’s time to set the record straight. [...]

"As of 28 July 2021, 29% of Canadians have not received a COVID-19 vaccine, and an additional 14% have received one shot."

In Australia, the claim is that 95% of the adult population received a vaccine. I think the government is lying about this. Given all the vile actions the various governments in Australia carried out during covid, I'd say that fabricating the vaccination rate isn't beyond them.

I saw a couple of signs that the vaccination rate might be lower than claimed.

There was a press conference earlier this year with the premier of Victoria, Dan Andrews, where he was really angry about the people who didn't take the vaccine. If you believe the official figures, there are only a couple of percent of the adult population in Vic who didn't take the vaccines, meaning that the government won an overwhelming victory. DA should be gloating over this, but instead he's angry. This indicates to me that DA knows the real numbers of unvaccinated are much higher than claimed.

About a year ago now, one of the major news sites ran a survey asking how many people took the vaccines and whether they regretted their decision. I realise the sample was probably biased, and the survey was heavily brigaded after a few hours. But in the first couple of hours the results were: 20% unvaccinated, 30% vaccinated but regretted it, 50% vaccinated with no regrets.

I find it interesting that this news site should even be asking these questions. Don't they believe the government figures? Do they know something they aren't telling us?

Those vaccine-uptake numbers have been so skewed and manipulated in so many ways that politicians no longer stand a chance of piecing together any accurately reliable data. There were just too many people along the way, each independently tweaking their own results to their own advantage, for anyone to be able to accurately reconstruct any undistorted facts out of the whole distorted mess.

Here in the US, once various non-profits figured out just how much money was sloshing around for anyone who could no-matter-how-implausibly proclaim that they could increase vaccine uptake, we were off to the races! They were promised so much loot per newly poisoned victim that it didn't take them long to begin offering somewhat-smaller cash payouts back towards anyone willing to get newly jabbed. In liberal blue cities, we had mobile vaxx clinics popping up anywhere that a non-profit could find to pitch their canopy tent. They would pay a minimal fee to some business in the commercial district to set up a clinic on their sidewalk, or to the parks commission to set up at a farmer's market. It was quite the business model for a while there — sort of like a whack-a-mole game, only played with vaxx clinics instead!

Since the neighborhood that I live in is known on parody review websites (far more honest than the so-called “legit" ones) as the "hipsters and heroin addicts" neighborhood (Good God, the worst of both worlds!), I have the distinct... um... ?pleasure?... of knowing many of our regular panhandling homeless addicts by name. Thus it was not at all hard to notice just how many times those addicts would show up at each and every local vaxx clinic that was offering anywhere from $20-$50 per jab. Being homeless, they would provide absolutely no ID, and, being liberal, those non-profits wouldn't ever dream of discriminating against their ID-less condition! A match made in heaven... or possibly somewhere a little hotter.

What on earth can one now do with any vaccination-uptake statistics provided by this lavishly incentivized distribution system, which was providing untrackable homeless addicts with the necessary funding to maintain their habit for another day? Effectively that meant one less trick to turn or unlocked car to pilfer, making for quite the paid incentive in all the better homeless encampments. Every time they got paid for getting jabbed, they got a reprieve from the daily grind — kind of a homeless holiday! And who can blame them? They had been used to having to pay to get jabbed by needles, and now someone wanted to pay them for getting jabbed, instead. Yahoo! If anyone can come up with an accurate model for recalibrating the warped statistics those mobile vaxx clinics added to the mix, we’ll be maybe one or two percent closer to figuring out real vaxx-uptake numbers.

Now, shall we begin discussing the insane cash payouts/bribes that were offered to doctors, insurers, and hospitals? But first, I suppose I really should ask... exactly how much time do you have?

— Christophe

I got an email today from an online vendor we buy from that sells Berkey water filters. We have one we have used for about 14 years now. According to the email "in some areas (mainly California), government authorities have sought for years to curtail Berkey sales. Those government authorities have offered their justifications, while many others have seen very different motives.

The latest move is that the U.S. EPA has now declared that Berkey water purifiers are a pesticide (seriously…), and therefore under their regulatory authority. Berkey is currently under a government order to cease production. As a result, we (and all distributors) are unable to order any more stainless systems, and our remaining stocks are very low."

I was curious as to how this all unfolded, so I watched a video interview with the owner on X(ugh) at https://twitter.com/absolutewithe/status/1699923966582821135?s=46&t=YOYLTb1OndfnTUo90FwYGg&_kx=UH2FPTupPcHsgw_EKmdnN0WHck_C_VggXbMYZLXnTZg%3D.Yj5Ze
and around 4 min the owner states that the EPA said "because of the threat of covid 19 being in the water, they want to make water filters that remove virus unavailable to the American people."

Okay, that's weird. Not sure what to think of this, but it feels like the whole ivermecton control issue in a new direction.

Normal levels of chlorine in municipal water systems will kill the COVID virus. 1.5 ppm is enough, and EPA standards allow for up to 4 ppm. You can test your water with pool strips to see.

That's... really weird.

Thank you! They still have them on Amazon. You win this time, Bezos.

Big if true.

Yep, it's about control, dependence, and learned helplessness. It goes beyond the plandemic.

This is beyond the new EPA regulations on emergency generators and gas stoves as well. Talk about petunia logic in that new 'regulation' that skipped all the process and reviews before being implemented. They must have just surveyed eight mice.

Can't have clean water or energy on your own terms now can we?

A lot of these 'green' initiatives are pushing for smart devices and appliances that can be centrally controlled. Despite their manufacture and operation typically have a greater environmental impact than their existing lower tech counterparts.

It's about anti-human and anti-life control. Stewardship is the last thing on their mind.

On a side note, the open and concealed carry ban in New Mexico looks to be a flop. Not only were there several rallies openly defying the order, local police departments flat out refused to enforce it on grounds of being unconstitutional.

I have a dream.....of mass non-compliance.

This is in the realm of speculation but plausuble but it seems CIA has a program that predicts civil wars in any country it even through a Washington Post written articles warned of a danger of civil war in US. They post it twice in Washinton Post, if someone wants, comment and I will produce the links latter.

Methinks that with the advent of AI they really dodged the bullet a few times.

But there is a constant litterary and movie theme that you may end up making the same thing that you wanting to avoid by permanently tinkering with a thin.

As Culianu asked himself is the State the great magician or just the apprentice sorcerer. Do we know any litterary case were a great magician becomes an apprentice sorcerer because he put too much trust in a specific device.

Just one more reason why, if your county elects its sheriff, that is the single most important election you can vote in.

And even the state Attorney General has said he won't defend the state against lawsuits regarding the ban: https://www.koat.com/article/attorney-general-raul-torrez-gun-ban-response/45113501

The Albuquerque 30-day gun ban was blocked by a federal judge, while several gun-rights groups sued the state to get the ban ruled in violation of the 2nd Amendment. If such a gun ban by proclamation could be enforced for "public health" reasons, what's the point of having a Bill of Rights?

Lathechuck

Unvaxxed here...
I got what I believe to be COVID a few weeks ago, and was down for three days, exhausted for maybe three more. A week and a half after I got over it, I had rebound symptoms that resolved within 24 hours, although now a couple of days out I am still feel off. My wife has been left with a cough that won't go away. We can control it with quercetin and bromelain and omega 3, but once the supplements wear off it is still there somewhat. I'll probably have to take her in for some prednisone and/or a steroidal inhaler soon. As with the first round of COVID two years ago, my kids barely got it, one day or less of feeling bad and they bounced back.
I say all this to say that the current variant is rotten. Especially if you are older.

Also unjabbed, got covid in 22, no biggie, but the congestion and cough lingered. When I finally took some of the apple-flavored horse paste, bingo. I've been fine ever since. I am not a doctor, this is my personal story.

You can get the non-apple-flavored without a prescription in New Hampshire and also in Vermont, I believe. Maybe Tennesseee, not sure.

Mocha Amphibious Earthwormosaurus

And another remedy for congestion-- super easy and super cheap:
apple cider vinegar and a paper towel

(appox 3 min video shows how)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y0dvMmN6M

my very young son had this persistent, not too bad, but unshakeable cough, too. what finally (3 months later) worked for him was nebulized colloidal silver. 6 times a day, 15 minutes minimum, 3 days, did the trick.

We can get IVM from Mexico, we are a stone's throw from the border. May try that.

CS user here. i tried vitamin I on my son, too; didn't get rid of the cough. i tried lots of different things, the only thing that helped was the nebulized CS. it's very straightforward to make, there's a website called "the art of making colloidal silver" that shows you how to make better CS (using a resistor is key) than most of the stuff you can buy.

After I caught the coof back in 2021, I had lingering fatigue. Pine needle tea seemed to help me. (YMMV)

You have my sympathies, unvaxxed.

I'm running at the same kind of timeframe - 3 days out, 3 days pretty useless and now not too bad but have noticed my sense of smell slipping away to virtually nothing and tinnitus is about doubled. Small inconveniences in the grand scheme of things though, especially as my partner is still knocked out by it. At least it's not 2020 style I'd say.

I've had a throat-clearing, public-alarming, old-timer hacking for a year.
Sometimes my nose does gymnastics (internally).

I thought maybe mold in my apartment as I seem to be fine.
So the guy came and said it's not much. I can deal with it.
I got a lot of dust in my apartment. Yeah well if there was a possiblitiy
of something romantic I'd get right on it.

So I dont know. Now somebody doesn't want me to be around their child
because I've had the mildest of sore throats on and off. Gonna drink apple cider vinegar
and gargle this weekend.

Yeah I'm old. Not V. Quite sure i had covid earlier than anybody said it was around.
Because it was deeply 'chemical-war-ish' compared to previous flus.

So

Craaaaazy. A whole class of over-the-counter medications including Benadryl and Sudafed suddenly pulled! Out of the blue, the FDA says, “Yeah, akshully, they don’t work..”

Whaaaat???! Probably every medicine cabinet in America has one of these!

Here’s one article with details:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/fda-panel-rules-that-popular-decongestant-found-cold/

I don’t know what to make of this. Talk about a shrinking trust horizon! How can anyone trust any pharmacy or doctor anymore!

I never found an over-the-counter decongestant pill or liquid that ever worked. But in my 40's found out lying on a beach without a hat under a hot sun cleared up my sinuses from the worst ever clogging I've had in my life in about 30-40 minutes. Suggested procedure by a pal who is an ICU nurse practitioner/surfer.

Been reading up this year on the amazing cleaning and healing properties of:

baking soda
hydrogen peroxide
Borax
vinegar
lemons

Wish I'd known about those many decades ago. I keep small jars of Borax and baking soda, and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in my medicine cabinet, bigger containers in my laundry area.

Decades ago when I first noticed an overuse of hand sanitizers and soaps by some hypochondriacs, I decided that use could cause, as comedian George Carlin joked, a lack of needed exercise for our immune systems. We humans didn't evolve to live in sterile labs all the time. We're supposed to have a massive microbial biome inside and around us.

Once as a small kid I broke out in very bad hives. My Mom stuck me in a bathtub to soak in baking soda. It cleared up the hives. Another time the hives would not go away so my Dad went to a pharmacy where a pharmacist advised drink Benadryl cough syrup because it has the highest OTC antihistamine content. That got rid of hives for me but it has never worked to suppress any coughs for me. Hot water, honey and lemons does that well.

Bizarre, exactly twice as a very small kid I got massive hive attacks. Both times in the evening.

Possible alternatives for Benadryl to deaden bug bite itches: mint, pineapples, Vitamin C, and lemons seem promising. Other suggestions?

I find that a nice hot bath is good for bug bites. Even better with epsom salts in.

I find that witch hazel on a cotton ball and then applied to a mosquito bite takes the itch away for me.

This was covered a couple years ago when I first got the data (think original source was market-ticker dude via his site and prodigous reading).

Long story short, in a senior home in Florida, Benadryl + Lactoferrin - were de facto given to the residents everyday. Upon analysing the data (pre-jab), Benadryl and Lactoferrin alone was 60% effective in aiding recovery and side stepping the worst effects even for obese elderly covid patients. When taken together, the effectiveness was enhanced to over 80%. Those are the rough numbers that I recall off the top of my head.

Like a lot of treatments that were trialed in the first few months and showed efficacy, and being cheap solutions, they just got memory-holed. I found the combo very helpful for folks who lose their sense of taste and smell, as it would work on those particular pathways that the bioweapon utilizes... like 50-80% restored within a couple of days, and the process continues on its own without need of much further supplementation.

FWIW, the drug they just ruled on was phenylephrine, which, tbh, IS ineffective. It's what replaced the actually-effective pseudoephedrine (what sudafed is named for) in most OTC cold medications, some years ago-- I believe it was part of an attempt to keep people from manufacturing meth out of them.

So the actual bait-and-switch happened some time ago.

...and, it's not the active ingredient in benadryl. That would be diphenhydramine.

But... they just let the covid boosters go out to 6 month old babies with human trials?????
My brain is just riding this jive rollercoaster

Do you know what "safe and effective" means according to the CDC? I'm going to tell you.
Safe means tested in 50 people and nobody died and only 8% needed professional medical attention. Effective means there is NO evidence whatsoever of a clinical benefit. Got it?
Steve Kirsch, Sept 13, 2023
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/do-you-know-what-safe-and-effective

made me chuckle.

My understanding is that this is not the case. It's just one specific drug. And I happen to think that the drug in question never worked in the first place.

The drug that's being pulled is phenylephrine, the "decongestant" found in Sudafed PE (not regular Sudafed), Benadryl Allergy Plus (not regular Benadryl), DayQuil, and maybe some other formulations. The drug used in regular Sudafed is pseudoephedrine, an older drug originally isolated from the ephedra plant in the late 19th century. Only the first drug is being recalled.

About 20 years ago, in response to claims that pseudoephedrine (the older drug) was being used in the manufacture of street amphetamines, the medical establishment started pushing phenylephrine over pseudoephedrine (i.e., Sudafed PE instead of regular Sudafed). In the US, anything containing the older pseudoephedrine drug had to be kept behind the counter at the pharmacy, you had to show ID to purchase it, and they tracked how much you were buying in some central database to make sure you weren't buying excessive amounts to fuel an amphetamine lab.

So, I occasionally use over-the-counter decongestants when I have a cold or get an allergy attack or something. Not to often, but they can be useful when needed. When Sudafed PE first came out, I bought it, not even realizing at first that it was a different drug. I used it once, and discovered that, at least in my case, it was absolutely useless - as in, did nothing whatsoever to help my congestion. Regular old Sudafed had always worked well on my nasal congestion, but this "new and improved" crapola was worthless. I discarded the box, used an ID to purchase some actual working Sudafed with psdeuoephedrine, and proceeded to "spread misinformation" to everyone I knew that "that Sudafed PE crap doesn't work at all."

I got pushback, of course. My relatives who worked in the medical field told me to use Sudafed PE, because it was a "newer drug," and therefore better. One time, when I tried to use my ID to buy regular Sudafed, the pharmacist tried to push Sudafed PE on me, and I told him no, that stuff DOESN'T WORK, and made him go through the trouble of selling me something that forced him to do the extra work of processing my ID.

So now, apparently, the FDA has figured out that phenylephrine doesn't work as advertised. I believe the exact words were "no better than a placebo." The brilliant experts have finally caught up with what this particular non-expert noticed 20 years ago, when I took a drug and it didn't work as advertised.

The only drug being pulled is phenylephrine, which is in only some formulations of Sudafed, Benadryl, etc. Because it really is useless.

Yep. Phenylephrine is crap, and was only used to blunt the sales impact of pseudoephedrine going behind-the-counter. In other words, it was all about $$$. Sort of like a recent vaccine we all know about.
Standard Benadryl, the antihistamine, is not affected (diphenhydramine). The headlines around this aren't making this clear and it scared me at first because I have family members who depend on that stuff.
Pharmacy workers are lazy with a capital Z. I have dual insurances, and when they aren't trying to convince me not to make them process both insurances for some BS reason, half the time they don't process the secondary insurance anyway.
Also, if the warehouse does not have your prescription, they cannot give you an ETA. Nor can they say whether or not the warehouse will even get anymore of what you need. They'll just keep stringing you along forever until you get the hint that no, your prescription is never coming, so you'd better get the doctor to rewrite it, or find an OTC alternative. Quite a problem when the drug in question is for an acute issue, and you thought all that time that it was just delayed, when in fact no, the warehouse has no plans to order anymore.
There was a recent article claiming that chain pharmacies are so understaffed right now (for cost reasons, hours cutting, mainly) that the pharmacists themselves are claiming to be a danger to people. So yeah everyone open that pill bottle, look up the pill markings online, and make sure you are getting what you expect to be getting, and not something that is going to kill you or send you to the ER.

Yeah, I knew that pseudoephedrine worked from back in the days when I used to unthinkingly turn to pharmaceuticals for relief, rather than herbals. Having very few symptom-suppressing drugs left in my house, when Wuhan first went into lockdown, I managed to run up against the monthly purchase quota for pseudoephedrine in my panicky covid preparations back in February 2020. I had figured that clearing away congestion might be one of the very few therapeutic treatments that could actually help with covid, given that at that point people appeared to be basically drowning in their over-congested lungs. Of course, eventually that turned out not to be the case, with their blood's reduced ability to transport oxygen being the actual culprit, but it seemed like a reasonable guess at the time.

I have yet to find any use for all that pseudoephedrine, since I experienced barely any symptoms when I did get covid. Who knows, maybe the election variant will turn out to cause significant congestion, allowing me to put at least a little of that pseudoephedrine to good use. Otherwise, I really can't picture myself cooking it up to see if I can somehow chemically modify it into crystal meth, as that would just leave me with another useless drug lying around the house!

All this "better living through chemicals" nonsense has left me quite underwhelmed by its empty rhetoric and failed promises, and that's without ever getting duped by the whole phenylephrine sales campaign. Now, that junk is truly worthless! You can't even sell that garbage on to the guy down at the local meth lab.

— Christophe

I do generally prefer to use natural remedies, and I've actually discovered that ephedra tea also works quite well (the original "ephedrine" on which the "pseudo-ephedrine" is based). I think they tried to ban that too, because people were taking it in excessive amounts to promote weight loss, but I found some through a small herbal supplier, and the tea does work. Although the Sudafed pill is more convenient to carry with me in the event of a bad allergy attack.

Generally speaking, it's been my experience that a lot of older drugs work(ed) better than their "new and improved" replacements. I have only limited experience with medications, but still.... The old Sudafed works, the new Sudafed PE doesn't. Older forms of prescription codeine for coughs used to work wonders to help me get a good night's sleep if I developed a case of post-viral bronchitis, while the stuff they insist on prescribing now is marginally useful at best. Regular old Benydryl works, and older forms of allergy medications also seem to work better than the "latest thing." And we all know what sort of new-fangled jabs don't work at all either.

I imagine there may be many more examples, and that my personal experience with the occasional OTC symptom-reducer or prescription cough med is just the tip of the iceberg. And we all know why.... New drugs are on patent and more lucrative than the old things that can be sold in generic form, so the latter are taken away and the former are promoted. It's all just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Most drug development these days is focused on finding minor variants of existing drugs that are similar enough to have a similar effect, but different enough to be patent-able. Old drugs are commoditized, manufactured in India, and not profitable.

So what you get is a lot of new drugs that don't work quite as well as the old ones they replace, but make more money for the manufacturer.

We're talking about an ingredient (phenylephedrine) that was used when pseudoephedrine was placed behind the pharmacy counter thanks to people making bootleg meth. And to be honest, my experience was that THAT ingredient didn't work too well; I decided to put up with the rigmarole that came with buying the stuff with actual pseudoephedrine.

– Donald Hargraves

My experience has been that phenylephrine doesn't do anything. Pseudoephedrine (which *used* to be in all the cold meds), didn't work for the cold symptoms but did keep me awake all night when I really needed to sleep (ugh). Cetirizine seems to help sometimes, but not all the time :/

Lately, when I really, really need my upper airways clear (because I have to sing), my go-to solution is powdered ginger. about 3+ hours before I have to be functional, I mix 2 tablespoons (yes, that's a lot) of ginger powder into hot water, sometimes with a bit of anise, milk, cocoa, or whatever else is handy to make it more palatable because it can be difficult to get it down my gullet, along with enough water or herb tea to make up a quart of liquid all told. Unpleasant, but it does the job. Clears my nose, throat, sinuses (not instantly, but within an hour). The 3 hours is because it also flushes out my digestive tract, and if I don't leave enough time to work through that, any public appearances could be quite awkward. Keeps my airways clear for several hours, though.

That is not a recommendation, obviously. In TCM I gather it would be a bad idea for anybody who already has a hot, dry constitution because ginger is hot and "drying". And clearly, I'm not an expert. Also, it's not the most comfortable or pleasant solution. Just happens to work for me. I have no idea what it would do if used on any kind of regular basis-- I use it strictly as an emergency stopgap, when I absolutely can't afford to be congested, in a very specific timeframe.

"Shrinking trust horizon"

What, you still have some trust left?

Hot of the PBS press;

"The emergence of BA.2.86 underscores the need for flexibility in current vaccine strategies to ensure continued effectiveness against these new variants. The newly FDA-approved fall 2023 COVID-19 booster shots are formulated to target XBB.1.5, which was dominant in early 2023 when public health officials made the reformulation decisions. The 2022 booster shot was designed to target both the original strain of SARS-CoV-2 as well as the BA.4 and BA.5 omicron lineages."

So, the new shots just approved do not work on the variant currently circulating. They do work (supposedly) against the version from six months ago.

Nah, that's not what's being reported.

Take the arstechnica as a counter example

"FDA approves and authorizes updated COVID boosters for everyone 6 months and up

The fall boosters target XBB.1.5 and have shown effectiveness against current variants."

They have shown effectiveness.

Followed up by today's article
"Everyone should get a COVID booster this fall, CDC says

Not everyone is at the same risk, but advisers called for simplicity and equity."

Simplicity and equity as the guiding principles in your health decisions.

Equity? Really? Do they have any idea what that word means? It does not mean that every treatment gets standardized and equalized — that's actually what simplicity means. And simplicity is not your friend when it's being wielded around indiscriminately by bureaucrats!

Equity, despite its current bastardization, still means that everyone gets treated decently, justly, and fairly, with respect for their individual rights and their unique circumstances. Equity is precisely what CDC advisers are systematically trampling to death, while disingenuously pretending to be calling for more of it.

— Christophe

oooh,,,,,,,'equity.......'

I think I need 'equity' in the property deeds of summer cottages' division.
Cuz
otherwise it's rascchist or 'sumpin'

Simplicity and equity. That sounds great. So I should just take the same drugs as everyone else, because that's easier than pushing a nuanced message from the central propaganda office. I'm sure it will work out great, for most people, on average.

Regular readers may remember a post of mine a few weeks ago about a public talk to be hosted at the University of Waterloo (Canada) on "the importance of trust in science and technology." (Link to original thread at bottom of this post).

Well, I just came home from that talk, and long story short... I shook hands with the enemy.

The panelists were three professors who lead the newly formed Trust in Research Undertaken in Science and Technology (TRuST) scholarly network, moderated by the host of our local CBC radio morning hour. (CBC is the government-funded national news network that went hook, line and sinker for the covid narrative).

My impression is that the profs are genuine people who genuinely believe in the merits (and flaws) of scientific enterprise, and who genuinely don't understand why people have lost trust in that enterprise.

I was wrong in my initial understanding, based on the event flyer, that there wouldn't be audience participation. There was, indeed, quite lively and well-moderated live audience participation. I got to speak into the microphone and address my concerns about how these kinds of (very important!) discussions frequently fail when one side gets referred to right off the bat as 'those people' or victims of 'misinformation'. That comment was well received.

I went up after the event to speak with the member of the panel who seemed to me the most reasonable, and shook her hand. (This was the dean of engineering, who was ready to admit bluntly, when questioned about covid science policy failures, that isolating kids at home during lockdown was a bad idea). I told her that I know they're hoping to hear from people on the other side of the fence, and that I'd be happy to talk further.

Whew!

So we'll see where that goes. Folks, the way I see it we are in a war, a war that may be in a state of truce at the moment, but which is far from over, and which must eventually end the way all wars do: with diplomacy and negotiation. I'm not ready to trust the people who started this war, or to cease my preparations for the next round, but if I can be part of the backroom conversations that lay the foundations for some kind of eventual regeneration of public trust (including but not limited to trust in science) then I'd like to give it a try.

Dylan

Original thread about the Trust Science event here:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/245054.html?thread=42807614#cmt42807614

Dylan, thank you. You are using intelligent social skills and personality traits I do not not possess. Your efforts are much appreciated.
Long (long!) ago my then (leftist radical) friends attended the U. of W. and I lived in K-W for a few years. I can picture the drive up University Avenue. :-)

The worst thing in a war is for the agressive party to close all channels of comunications, make their intention well known in advance and trash any previous agreement.

It goes to say that this seems to hold for al the open wars that are at the moment.

I’m not much of a scripture person, but as soon as I read your account, these words popped into my mind: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Children of God” (Matt 5:9).

In nearly every group of people there are some who are reasonable and independent-minded. Glad you found one such person. It does not surprise me that it was the dean of engineering: those folks are trained to do reality-checks at least from time to time because the price of having some elegantly designed mechanical, electrical or robotic creation tank in front of everyone’s eyes due to one of those pesky laws of the universe (or just our good friend Murphy) is pretty high.

Bravo, Dylan! Let’s hope that the bridge that you are building can withstand any upcoming storms of zaniness. May sanity prevail.

Ron M

Thanks for the encouragement, Ron. We'll see what comes of it.

Discussing things here in our Ecosophia bubble is useful to a certain extent, because shoring up our sense of sanity in the midst of the storm is so necessary.

But beyond that extent, unless we find ways to discuss things outside of our like-minded groups, we won't really change anything.

The tyrants don't hold power because they're somehow smarter or innately more powerful than the rest of us. They hold power because they have public opinion on their side. And the way to shift public opinion is to talk to people, gradually and bit by bit, and *show* (not tell) how much more reasonable you are than the tyrants.

Dylan

Yes, like all wars, this will eventually end in diplomacy, but that will only happen once "diplomacy by other means", i.e. war, is shown to only result in less desirable outcomes. The fact that these zealots are still hoping beyond hope that the mere use of primitive mind-control acronyms like TRuST and other weakened forms of degraded magic will somehow be able to deliver all the spoils over to their side makes it perfectly clear that they are not yet sober enough to practice real diplomacy. It's understandable, as they have been drunk on their own power and privilege for so long that coming down from those intoxicating heights is going to cause quite a rude shock to their systems. No one much enjoys experiencing a hangover, but the delaying tactic of remaining perpetually drunk will eventually result in even less desirable outcomes.

The drunken stupidity that has led our self-regarding élites into all their unwinnable wars against drugs, crime, terrorism, poverty, invasive species, Trump, covid, truckers, disinformation, Russia and covid once again has not yet succeeded in disabusing itself of its considerable ignorance. Until they manage to sober up to the realization that their drunken-binge wars are destroying them from the inside out, our élites will not be prepared to try out any of the twelve steps that might eventually lead them towards actual diplomacy.

That is not to say that your practice of diplomacy in the resulting vacuum is a poor choice in any way. You will come away so much more experienced in the type of backroom negotiations that actually can result in more-or-less desirable outcomes. Meanwhile, the besotted toddlers who have been pretending to lead us can go on playing with their toy soldiers and declaring "Mission accomplished!" in their nursery rooms, all while you diplomatically negotiate the world out from under their incompetent oversight. With any luck, they'll stay too soused on their imaginary victories to even notice what you're up to. Their Waterloo may well turn out to be your emancipation — wouldn't be the first time!

— Christophe

You might find this useful in future discussions.

"Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses" by Anthony Fauci 2023

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9832587

Basically, it says that the vaccines were never going to work because vaccines only work against viruses that elicit a durable immunity after infection. Things like chickenpox, smallpox, measles that you only ever get once are good candidates for vaccines, but things that you get over and over like the common cold are not. Coronaviruses belong to the second category (and are one of the viruses that cause the common cold) and so vaccines were not going to produce durable immunity.

From the abstract:
"Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important public health concerns. Because these viruses generally do not elicit complete and durable protective immunity by themselves, they have not to date been effectively controlled by licensed or experimental vaccines."

Put aside for a moment that Fauci published this paper one month after retiring and that it looks an awful lot like he's telling us that he knew all along that the vaccines wouldn't work. This paper is important because it comes from household name, Anthony I am the science Fauci. It's current, Jan. 2023. And it explains that basic immunology tells us a priori that the vaccine was never going to work.

That basic science is a nice contrast to the unsubstantiated claims, censorship, total reversals from established practices, decredentialing doctors who tried to ask questions or work on alternatives, etc.

For those who are interested in the ongoing court case against two of the key organizers of the February 2022 Freedom Convoy (Chris Barber and Tamara Lich), here’s a brief run-down of the last few days.

Day 3 (Sept 7): The prosecution shared numerous TikTok videos produced by Chris Barber during the protest in which he continuously called the movement to be peaceful, referred to Mahatma Gandhi and stressed that the protest is not ‘anti-vax’. Now, he also repeatedly used the term "tyranny" to describe violations of constitutional rights imposed by all levels of government – but is that ‘mischief’?
(video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_3_trial_recap)

Day 4 (Sept 8): The judge stated on multiple occasions that she was ‘very unhappy’ with the prosecution’s attempt to use chat logs from Chris and Tamara’s phones as evidence, as it violates disclosure policies and makes it very difficult for the defence to respond (as this was not submitted by the August 1 deadline). Evidence presented by the prosecution continues to include many videos by Chris hammering home the message that the protest must be peaceful – which seems to be undermining the Crown’s own case. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/judge_in_high_profile_trial_of_tamara_lich_is_very_unhappy_with_crown_s_evidentiary_fumbling)

Day 5 (Sept 11): Much of the day was spent disputing the relevance of witnesses being brought forward by the prosecution – many of them to allege public urination and littering and the exhaust fumes from trucks parked on Ottawa streets. The judge pushed back stating that the trial is focused on the charges of mischief placed on the two accused and if they are not directly involved in said public urination, etc., she does not want to hear it. "The impact [of the Freedom Convoy] isn't relevant," the judge said in relation to her final adjudication of the charges against Barber and Lich. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_5_trial_recap)

Day 6 (Sept 12): Videos made by Tamara and Chris, which were shown by the prosecution (the Crown) continue to demonstrate that both of them consistently called people to come to Ottawa and protest peacefully; there was also video of Tamara asking protesters to pray for forgiveness for those who are doing wrong, as well as her objection to the ‘Frack Trudeau’ flags (with tears in her eyes). Keep in mind that the prosecution characterized the protest as ‘anything but peaceful’ (!!!) in the opening day of the trial. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_6_trial_recap)

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but so far this has been the 'lamest' prosecution I have ever seen - by a loooong shot. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear that the Crown's lawyers had been 'bought off' by Tamara and Chris. Utterly bizarre!

Honk honk!

Ron M

Makes my day Ron. Absolutely makes my day. Thanks so very much for this report!

Thank you for this report! I knew the trial was going on but didn't have the wherewithal the past several days to look into the details of how it was going.

I got to meet Tamara this summer when she came to my town with Rebel Media & the documentary they were screening (Church Under Fire -- a MUST WATCH, in this humble witch's opinion, because freedom of religion is something we should all be concerned with), & it was the highlight of my year. She is incredible in person. They say never meet your heroes, but in Tamara's case -- absolutely meet her if you can.

I have been praying for them both during the case, and I'm sure I'm not alone...maybe the bizarre behavior of the prosecution can be explained by mass prayer on behalf of the defendants!

Indeed, you are far from being the only one praying for this case. We are legion!

As the Brandon, Manitoba-based “freedom-themed” rock band ZaHayNa sings (in their recent release “Learn To Love Again”):
Our hate is a disgrace
We don't have time to waste
If we don't learn to Love again
It's all over for us

Ron M

Thank you for keeping us informed of the situation there, Ron.

https://thorsteinn.substack.com/p/vaccine-uptake-and-deaths-where-are

Kind regards
Sean

Thanks for this. Looks grim. But maybe many people got bunk jabs and will be fine after all.

At this link is a complete list of all of the requests for prayer that have recently appeared across the Ecosophia community. A printable version of the entire prayer list current as of 9/11 may be downloaded here. Please feel free to add any or all of the requests to your own prayers.

If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below.

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Here are a few of the prayer requests on this week's list.

May Erika's partner James, who has just learned he has cancer all over inside him on his liver and lungs, be blessed, healed and protected.

Christine Marie and Stephen Paul are to be married in Cardiff Castle on Thursday 21 September at 9:00am. May they (and Christine's children Hugo and Casper) be blessed with a successful marriage full of love, good health, and happiness.

In the case of Princess Cutekitten and the large bank who is suing her, may justice be done, with harm to none.

May Josh Schaad's soul be blessed and eased in his soul's transition into death, and may his wife Alyssa and sons Gavin and Caden be blessed and protected, and find what comfort they can during this very difficult time.

Neptunesdolphin's husband has just had his big toe partially amputated due to a staph infection, and his diabetes has worsened in connection. He and she and son all are struggling to cope with the difficult situation, made no easier by the fact that all three have different varieties of mental impairment. May Neptunesdolphin's husband heal quickly and vigorously, and successfully manage his diabetes; and may her family all get through the situation successfully and with grace.

Lp9's hometown, East Palestine, Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people, animals and all living beings in and around East Palestine, and to improve the natural environment there to the benefit of all.

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Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.

If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.

SAFE AND EFFECTIVE: Dr. Fauci Now Admits COVID Vaccines Cause Myocarditis

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/safe-effective-dr-fauci-now-admits-covid-vaccines/

CIA bribed analysts into Covid-19 conclusion – whistleblower
Congress is investigating claims that spies were paid to declare the outbreak was natural

https://www.rt.com/news/582859-cia-whistleblower-covid-origins/

Eh. Watch that interview with Adam Carolla and Tucker Carlson. He basically said all the media was glowie-run. I guess the only reason they don't shut down all the private media and make it all state-run is nobody would take any of it seriously anymore.

Just turn off the media. All of it.

Odessa City Council votes to not enforce state or federal Covid mandates

https://www.cbs7.com/2023/09/13/odessa-city-council-votes-not-enforce-state-or-federal-covid-mandates/

Thank you for this news, it verily makes my day.

Nice. I love to see this-- right up there with the brouhaha over in NM right now where the governor was trying to declare a health emergency over guns(??) in Albuquerque and had the sheriff *and* the DA almost immediately go "NOPE, that's illegal, we won't be enforcing that". Yay local officials with spines!

I'm not sure those local officials have spines, or have just worked out this is clearly illegal, and without qualified immunity they're on the hook for damages from this mess if they do anything to enforce it.

Week 110! Thank you very much, JMG, and thank you also, forumistas.

I'm reminded this week of how, back in 2021, I so often felt this peculiar contradiction, that on the one hand it felt like everything was stuck in cold mud, while on the other hand, it felt like things were changing fast and in wildly bizarre ways.

Cetiosaurus

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study
"We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219

I keep seeing claims that because of poor storage, a large number of the vaccines that went into people's arms were actually inert sludge. Does anyone know that they actually turn into inert sludge if stored improperly, instead of turning into something else with biologically active properties?

Also, does anyone know that they actually were not stored properly? I know the initial claims for storage requirements were crazy, but I'm not sure anyone had ever tried storing the mRNA vaccines which used the synthetic N1-Methylpseudouridine: which appears to be vastly more stable than regular mRNA.

Last I heard, it was still an unresolved question whether the harmful lots were the properly handled stuff, or the improperly stored degraded stuff.

Good speculative arguments on both sides, so…hard to tell.

Why not both?

The Ninth Mouse

This is new and unlisted on YT (I suppose to avoid getting wiped off by censors)-- looks like a lot of very good information about healing from jab injuries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spGFp1HSSfQ

My local online newspaper published the new guidelines from the CDC recommending the new clot shot for ages 5 and up. (It breaks my heart that people are injecting children so young.)

So far there are 24 comments and all but one of them are opposed to it. The one outlier's support for the shot was kind of weak too.

I take this as a good sign, at least for my community.

NY Gov. Kathy Hochuls Delivers Devastating News for Vaccinated: “It is Literally a New Vaccine, It is Not a Booster Shot…” Old Vaccine is “Not Protecting You Today”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/ny-gov-kathy-hochuls-delivers-devastating-news-vaccinated/

Wow, another self-goal by the doddering idiots and spin doctors who fashion themselves the leaders of the free world! Did the screenwriter's strike manage to take out the political speechwriters as well, because not that long ago our geriatric bureaucrats seemed to be able to deliver their lies much more convincingly. What possibly could have happened? Have they just lost their mojo? Can they finally feel the jaws of Cerberus nipping at their heels? Did Oliver Anthony's song fluster them that badly?

Okay, so Hochuls' delivery was always a bit stomach-churning, but she used to place way off the charts for her smug, self-satisfied delivery. We're talking about a world-class hubris here! What possibly could have happened to the poor thing? Now she kind of comes across the way that Rabbit did after spending a night alone in the forest while trying to debounce Tigger. Could Hochuls’ trying to force all the unvaxxed to get vaccinated have succeeded in doing that to her? We were meant to become a Humble Unvaxxed, a Small and Sad Unvaxxed, an ‘Oh, Hochuls, am I glad to see you’ Unvaxxed. Is it possible that she instead became a Humiliated Hochuls, a Lost-and-Found Hochuls, a ‘Why, oh why do these things happen to me’ Hochuls? She certainly doesn’t sound like the same smugly over-confident Rabbit any more. Oops, I meant Hochuls!

(My apologies for borrowing from the modified cartoon text of Milne’s brilliant parable rather than his original version. My own copy of his book is unfortunately stored away in boxes at the moment, and Disney appears to have managed to use its purchase of his copyright control to scrub the internet of the original, leaving just the bastardized Disney version out there. How predictably Disneyesque of them!)

— Christophe

Having read what you wrote, the word 'Hochuls' could almost become a term, or verb, or noun standing for, or meaning, 'something.'

I've been Hochuled. Have you been Hochuled. Hiccup Hiccup Hochul.

loco Hochul.

☕️🍰☕️🍰☕️🍰

“We’ve done this since March 2020, no reason to stop now. Don’t think about just yourself.”

Yes, you can't let a little thing like selfish thoughts of personal survival get in the way of the broader agenda now, can you?

Especially when so many have already died in service of the broader agenda.

How selfish of us all.

The Ninth Mouse

That is such an odd phrase.

Are we admitting that it doesn't have any benefit to you, then?

If you're doing it for others... but there's no benefit to you... then who *does* it benefit exactly??

Oh, right. Drug companies. So don't think about yourself. Do it for Pfizer.

The quote sounds like 'gamber's fallacy' to me, so sort of like saying:

"We've lost so often and so much before that we must be due a win, so we should all double down now on the next bet."

So, they grab their balls and roll the dice again, for everyone, thinking that they're owed a different outcome; however, chance doesn't care one dot about what people think they're owed.

If that's how they're 'reasoning', then it's not very encouraging.

The Ninth Mouse

It occurred to me sometime ago that a great deal of medicine, also healthcare, now is pitched as a bet.

Want to reduce your *risk* of having a heart attack? Take these statins.

Want to reduce your *risk* of everything? Lose weight. Stop smoking those cigarettes.

...and so on...

I suspect that Ivan Illich was onto something when he said that what medicine had accomplished by around 1960 or so, was to persuade people to think of themselves as a "bundle of risks to be managed"... along with a whole edifice of professional managers to take over when your own uncredentialled risk management
efforts become ineffectual...

I've come around to thinking if it ain't broke, don't fix it, when it comes to health care. If I need a lab test or high-tech imaging to tell me there's something wrong with me, it's not a problem.

It is really odd though, you're right. It's pretty gross really, sort of like saying: "Well, we're already screwing the pooch, so we might as well finish off." :P

The Ninth Mouse

Take your injections, kiddies, so that Governor Kathy Hochul doesn't look like a total dupe to shill this shale, that she may stand there in the TV lights at the podoium, Our Dear Leader, having a great hair day, forever and ever, Sig Heil!

Infant’s dark brown eyes turn bright blue overnight after COVID-19 treatment

https://nypost.com/2023/09/05/babys-brown-eyes-turn-blue-overnight-after-covid-19-treatment/

I stumble into town
Just like a sacred cow
Visions of swastikas in my head!
Plans for everyone!
It's in the white of my eyes!

My little China girl
You shouldn't mess with me
I'll ruin everything you are
You know
I'll give you television
I'll give you eyes of blue
I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YC3sTbAPcU

The Ninth Mouse

Fauci Says Mask ‘Recommendations’ Could Return if There is a ‘Significant Uptick’ in COVID-19 Cases This Fall and Winter

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/fauci-says-mask-recommendations-could-return-if-there/

Even more evidence that nobody should wear a face mask
First of all, they don't work. Second of all, they are detrimental to your health.
September 16, 2023
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/even-more-evidence-that-nobody-should

I recently updated my Bangladesh study mask article to add two new resources of interest.

A paper published in JAMA in 2019 showed that surgical masks and N95 masks were completely ineffective against the flu. They both offered the same amount of protection, i.e., none. This is of course why nobody wears them to stop a virus. In fact, the surgical mask actually performed slightly better than the N95 mask in the study. How can that be? It’s obvious: both masks offered no protection whatsoever so it was a wash and the differences were simply random.

This tweet by Robin Monotti summarizes a new study done in Germany showing that masks cause unsafe levels of CO2 with devastating health consequences that the CDC doesn’t want anyone to know about.

continue reading... https://kirschsubstack.com/p/even-more-evidence-that-nobody-should

This guy is still around? What - does he get carried around on Kissinger's shoulders or something at one mile an hour.

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