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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-06-13 01:55 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97

not the good guysAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Re: What stage are we in...

[personal profile] transcriberb 2023-06-14 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
I also live in a hyper PMC area and I totally hear you. But I don't think this inability to recognize the dangers of the jabs is never going to change-- on the contrary, I see it changing, slowly but inexorably. And not towards some "ta da!" moment, but by year-end 2024 I think attitudes towards the covidian narratives will have readjusted to such degree that we will see some profound social and political consequences.

From last week:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/235880.html?thread=41573480#cmt41573480

In short, I think by year-end 2024, the distribution will be such that we will still have
(1) true believers (jabs safe & effective, take all), and we will still have
(2) those who, albeit with some hesitancy for some jabs (maybe skip that 7th booster), still believe that the jabs are "safe and effective" / best do what the doctor says / mandates are necessary and good. Injuries are just long covid, or the usual random whatever, etc.

But these people will no longer be in the majority, not by year-end 2024.

I think we will see a much larger group (3) quietly, privately, questioning and getting very anxious and upset about it all.

Those who did not comply, and are pissed, that group, (4), tiny in PMC World in 2021, will grow to more substantial size (albeit still a minority) and, crucially, they will be far better organized politcally than they were in 2021.

If that fourth group help can get even a small number of medical freedom candidates into office it could quickly tip things into a new direction. In politics, at least in the US with which I am most familiar, a small number of representatives, sometimes only 1 or 2, turns a minority into a majority, and all the parliamentary advantages that that implies.

Relatedly, RFK Jr.'s campaign is going to froth up / short-circuit / discombobulate a lot of people's minds, and nudge / shove / parachute drop many people from groups 1 and 2 into groups 3 and 4.

Such is my rough sense of where things are headed in US PMC world as of June 2023.

Re: What stage are we in...

(Anonymous) 2023-06-14 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a good point. RFK Jr is a wildcard I don’t think any of us could have predicted. And the fact that he is still trying to play by the rules within the existing system (i.e., run for president within the existing Democrat party) means that his message will penetrate deeper into the PMC than the same message carried by almost anyone else, certainly anyone of any other party.

To me, he is the only variable (at least as far as I can see now) that could bring about this potential “reckoning.”

Re: What stage are we in...

(Anonymous) 2023-06-14 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
June 20th at 7 PM Eastern Standard Time RFK will make a major speech in honor of JFK on US foreign policy at American University in Washington DC. Hold onto your hats and pop your popcorn. You can watch the livestream here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59vaHQ3zPE

Re: What stage are we in...

(Anonymous) 2023-06-15 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that RFK Jr. can win the primary; no matter how much popular support he has, I thing the Democratic establishment will pull out all the stops to prevent it, like they did with Sanders (who wasn't even that much of a threat to the hegemony). But on the off-off chance that he does pull it off, and the pearl-clutching vax-worshipping PMC voters have to choose between him and a Republican, especially if the Republican is Trump of DeSantis - well, then, I will be looking to purchase my own popcorn factory. Because that will be some show.
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Re: What stage are we in...

[personal profile] methylethyl 2023-06-15 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Before this last election, I'd have said he didn't have the necessary telegenicity-- what with the scratchy voice and all.

But that doesn't seem to be a requirement anymore.

Re: What stage are we in...

(Anonymous) 2023-06-15 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
At this point in the 2016 election, people were saying Trump could never win too. I won't be surprised if RFK loses, but I also won't be surprised if he wins.

Re: What stage are we in...

[personal profile] kashtan 2023-06-15 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that it's a long shot for RFK Jr to win the primary. It may be possible if things really go south on the covid vax damage and/or geopolitical fronts between now and the primary season next year. My guess is it won't happen that fast. The illusions of the narratives are cracking more and more but my current thinking is that they won't shatter until 2025 or early 2026 when Neptune moves out of Pisces and is conjunct with Saturn. That won't solve our problems by any means but could change the nature of them to break the current power structure.

That doesn't mean I think his campaign is futile. If he can get his ideas out there enough this time around then he may be in a very good position for a 2028 run when the situation will likely have changed quite a bit, and other political candidates may come on the scene in state and local elections taking similar positions to RFK Jr. His campaign has a lot of potential to begin to break the left/right binary and give voice to a third option that's been growing for some time (consider how Joe Rogan has millions of listeners) but hasn't broken into politics yet. While I don't agree with all the views of this loose alternative movement that has formed, I consider it a whole lot better than the mainstream left or right.