Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[scotlyn]

If I may, I'd like to answer Christophe's post at the end of the last thread:

Christophe - https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/235880.html?thread=41570664#cmt41570664

By saying this:

Apologies, and thank you. And, to be fair, when I asked in my own comment, "where's the outcry [curiosity, fear, annoyance, speculation, research]" (which is what I'm actually still wondering) I did make injudicious use of the word "weapon"...

All the same, I do hope people wonder, and speculate, and test, and talk about, potential answers... which may well include some of what you have said... but which, in any case, are necessary to understand well, so as to lead to better prevention and response.

In any case, be well. And blessings on all your goings and doings.

[(Anonymous)]

Where else but here are you going to get such polite discussion?

It's nice to see my fellow forumistas being human to each other, instead of raging and casting slurs like they do in all the other places that I lurk around, but don't participate in.

A little island of calm and sanity in a world of polarized ideologues venting spleen at each other, and at anyone who dares to suggest that anything other than their dogmatic orthodoxy might be true. Pick your issue, and that's how it is.

I think you'd all be quite the people to meet.

Bless you all.

The Ninth Mouse

[p_coyle]

in the naked capitalism links today there was this gem:

The Cleaner Air Spaces Act, a copy of which was obtained by Axios, directs the Environmental Protection Agency to provide grants of up to $3 million to state and local air pollution agencies and community organizations.
Each cleaner air program would be required to provide a minimum of 1,000 filtration units to low-income households with vulnerable residents.
The programs would also be required to provide educational materials on setting up clean air rooms and to advertise the public centers during wildfires.

thankfully, it was followed up with this part:

The Republican-led House Natural Resources Committee is marking up two bills on Tuesday aimed at improving forest management – reducing the amount of brush that serves as fuel for the blazes.

i will leave it up to you to ponder which course of action will be taken.

[(Anonymous)]

Scotlyn, your question "where's the outcry [curiosity, fear, annoyance, speculation, research]" could well be asked about a great many unapproved topics in this age of declining hegemony. For example, that question could easily be queried about vaccine injuries, although very few professionals in that field want to see any unbiased studies happening at all... as in ever. I don’t know if there are anywhere near as many culprits hoping to ignore the recent change in wildfire behavior, nor do I know their professional status. Would starting forest fires in order to scare people into believing that climate change is the next shiny new apocalypse, which they need to pay someone to rescue them from, make one a professional firebug? How about if they were getting their salary from a climate-change-activist job? I mean there’s gotta be some way for firebugs to go professional, doesn't there? But who knows, that may be an unapproved topic in our declining hegemony as well.

It’s so obvious to anyone willing to pay any attention that our age of one-ring-to-rule-them-all-styled hegemony is way back in the rearview mirror at this point. Alas, those who grew addicted to the goodies that vending machine could once offer them can no longer pay much attention to anything except kicking their broken vending machine in the hope that something new may fall out of it. I do believe our PMC quislings may have inadvertently launched a brand new cargo cult. “If you kick Progress, the Great God in the Sky, hard enough, he’s sure to keep delivering us all the vending-machine goodies we demand. So go ahead and kick that failing hegemony harder!”

You know, I think that might be turn out to be the most concise theory yet to explain the entire self-goal of the Ukraine war. “Kick our dying hegemony! Kick it harder! It has to keep giving us goodies, dammit! Build airfields out of vines and coconuts for F-16’s to land on, bringing us Progress’ goodies!” At this point, I’m just happy that our clueless élites are kicking the whole rotten edifice down on their own, whatever mythology they may happen to be using to justify their tantrum of creative destruction.

— Christophe

[p_coyle]

don't interrupt your enemy when they are shooting themself in the foot. in the meantime, prepare as best you can for what they might come up with next as a better new plan, likely involving a knee or femoral artery. slowly back away from the crazy person, and reposition accordingly.

[scotlyn]

When I say "where's the outcry" I am talking about the actual people who have lost something. A topic may be "unapproved" but, at least in the vaccination domain - which I became familiar with because around 10 years ago someone, that I knew, lost something: their health; their capacity to attend school; their capacity to socialise; their capacity to live what would be considered a "good life" for a teenage girl; there is an outcry from people who were injured. And, also, there is an outcry (if muted) in the scientific literature, which you can find if you look.

I am thinking that people who lost homes in fires, especially if those fires appear to have anomalous features, might begin to investigate, and create the same kind of underground "outcry" if only to begin to make some sense of what happened to them.

That is what I will be keeping an ear out from here on in. What are people saying about what they themselves have suffered.

[methylethyl]

You remind me of this lovely meme going around (which my sibling sent me in chat, but which I can't google-image-search so I guess it's censored at the Big G). No picture, just says:

"I'm sure if bears killed 20 million in 3 years and injured hundreds of millions, and it was to be expected for everyone to be attacked by a bear two to three times a year forever, we'd definitely be (fracking) talking about bears."