ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

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With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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A new study on vaccine induced immune tolerance has come out. Igor Chodov reports on it at https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/immune-tolerance-igg4-class-switch

It looks like bad news for those who have taken an mRNA vax without having been infected previously. Immune tolerance continues to rise throughout the almost 250 day period post-vaccination that was looked at for people in that category. There's good news for those who took viral vector vaccines or took mRNA but had been infected previously, no tolerance was seen in those groups.

If the IgG4 tolerance ends up having increasingly negative effects, that will be bad news for all countries with high mRNA vax rates. Meanwhile, countries like Russia, China and India that didn't use mRNA look like they'll be spared the effects of tolerance. Australia and New Zealand are likely to be hit particularly hard, as they have very high vax rates and also extremely few who were infected prior to the vax rollout.

Tolerance is more extreme with Moderna than with Pfizer, which is not surprising considering Moderna uses a higher dose of mRNA.

This could also be part of the explanation of why Sweden has lower all cause mortality than other highly vaccinated countries. Sweden probably had a higher rate of people exposed to covid pre-vax, which means less tolerance. Sweden also avoided the lockdown-related deaths that so many other countries had, but I doubt that's still a significant factor in mortality at this point since the lockdowns are well in the past, so less tolerance could be an explanation of why they're still doing better than most other western nations.

Edited 2023-01-13 18:02 (UTC)

You know what all this also likely means...

No clear worldwide signal that vixenation was a bad idea. Yeah it'll remain quite clear something's afoot but not enough to be able to convince the masses, especially if it's not in certain powerful peoples' interest. I now think the likely variance in the effectiveness of the vixens to actually produce pseudo spike proteins in cells will help obfuscate any clear population wide damage signal too. All cause mortality might be the only trustworthy pointer but even this likely rise will also be reflecting societies that are generally on 'the long descent'. On the plus side all this does help make GVB's more dangerous variant prophesy less likely I'd wager.

Oh yeah, stunts like this happening with statins here in the UK will only help the signal obfuscation too:

'Landmark NHS move to let ANYONE ask for life-saving pills reignites decades-long row over their safety... but top heart doctors insist the benefits outweigh the scare stories'

You can bet your bottom dollar anyone who might be any kind of risk for cholesterol will be recommended them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11631191/The-TRUTH-statins-cholesterol-busting-pills-safe.html

What is a "risk for cholesterol" even? Perhaps this is a meta- risk? Since originally it was a certain cholesterol level which was seen as a risk factor for heart disease... Now the risk factor is itself a risk?

And, well... (following Illich) ...how did we even come to see ourselves as a bundle of risks to be managed, instead of a human being to be nourished and cared for in sickness and in health?

This is what happens when you/we/they/there is an attempt to quantify everything!

And of course the rise of computers and in turn spreadsheets and associated are a good part of why this picture developed.

Edited (Extra info. / clarity) 2023-01-14 15:35 (UTC)

Also an easier 'fix' than rectifying non-healthy lifestyles en masse.

And in addition looks to me that this is part of a continued move away from having to perform and react to actual tests before administering pills and drugs. More 'The Science' in operation that can claim to be preventative rather than reactive - which of course is normally a good thing but in this case I'm very not so sure. :-/

I've had good luck shutting down any allopathic recommendations for statins by mentioning studies that show, after age 50, that higher cholesterol is associated with lower all-cause mortality.

It's the same monomaniacal focus on single variables and an inability to admit such tinkering inevitably has unexpected results.

In terms of convincing I'd bet Lisa Marie Presley, though not really a 'star,' was big enough a loud squeak to the clown's red nose in this whole shyte-show to rouse a few from their slumber. Not exactly a Red Army at the Gates of Berlin moment but something.

I wonder if Las Vegas Bookies are taking odds on which celebrity goes down next.

i think we're more likely to get an additional online betting platform for celebrity deaths (dead pool if you will) than we are to get any sort of accountability for those in charge of the mess.

and there will still be support for getting the next better 4 mouse special jab amongst the lottery seekers...

No clear worldwide signal seems to me to be yet another indicator that the underlying source is something that likes human misery and rage. No trials, no appologies, no consequences, no punishments, no repentance, no forgiveness.
Everyone getting more bitter towards the other, and unlike many past others, this pair is not so easily identified at a glance unless we choose to be.

I don't know if there are any easy happy endings possible. I'm not sure anyone actually wants one, either. I get a distinct sense that people are willing to suffer if only the other suffers also, these days.

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Does kind of point to the idea of individualisation JMG suggests the age of Aquarius brings.

None of us can rely on any institution to take responsibility for what has happened - a grand announcement of "we done wrong" is highly unlikely. We're each going to have to make our peace with that and come to our own understanding of what just happened I suspect. Don't mean huge mistakes weren't made and also doesn't mean we have to put up with being dictated to.

Do your homework, stay sharp, choose wisely and be thankful you're part of this great online group of entities.

Edited (Language tidy up + clarity+tone down) 2023-01-16 21:07 (UTC)

"I get a distinct sense that people are willing to suffer if only the other suffers also, these days."

This hits uncomfortably close to the mark for me. I know it's a path towards a dark place, but I've got a lot of disgruntlement building up.

Seems there is also a huge variance in the response. Difficult to see the whole situation.

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