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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: death rates
(Anonymous) 2023-01-11 12:24 am (UTC)(link)Consider if there were 1000 people, and in 2019 10 would die, in 2022 12 would die if the crude death rate were to increase by 20%.
If in 2022, there are 1000 people and 800 are vaccinated, at 2019 mortality rates, 8 vaccinated and 2 unvaccinated die. If you had a hypothesis that the increased mortality is associated with the vaccinated group, and the unvaccinated had unchanged mortality, you would need to have 10 die in the vaccinated group, which is a 25% increase on the 2019 mortality rate.
Although it is a different comparison, it isn't actually very different as long as the vaccinated percentage is high, you would only get the big difference between changes to crude death rate, and relative risk of death between vaccinated/unvaccinated if the percentage of people vaccinated were lower, working under the assumption that only the vaccinated's mortality changes.
If vaccination were 50%, you would have 5 out of 500 die, and 7 of the other 500, i.e. the vaccinated group's relative mortality risk goes up by 40%, and the overall mortality risk goes up by 20%.
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