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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-01-10 01:34 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75

ironicallyAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
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Re: Possible scenario for large and quick* narrative collapse

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard 'on the street' that Fauci is very fond of parakeet duets. Sometimes he even falls asleep, while holding vials full of liquids, he finds them so very very soothing.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"if there are some SF stories where AI is dangerous because it looks intelligent is actually stupid and by the time everyone figures the mistake on relying on it systems start to crumble everywhere and no one knows why"

Not to my knowledge. Seems like fertile territory. For the complete opposite of what you are talking about, read Blindsight by Peter Watts, in which [spoiler warning] a society run by superintelligent computers is so magnificently stupid as to resurrect malevolent hyperintelligent vampires. Hijinks ensue. (This story occurs in the background. The A plot of the book is oddly and entirely irrelevant.)

Also, my sense is that AI works well in environments that are already highly mechanized - chess, Go, Jeopardy, what have you. They're trash at everything else.

Re: Something is changing...

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Bet they don't want another injection since the first ones made them feel kind of totally crummy and although they don't want to talk about it-- after all "it is just anecdotal coincidence what are you ant-vaxxer???!!!"-- they do happen to know a worrying number of people who, coincidentally, right after their jabs, got clots, stroke, heart attack, myocarditis, rashes, dizziness, turbo cancer, neuropathy, tremors, dementia...

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
A book you might find of interest:

HUMANITY'S LAST STAND
The Challenge of Artifical Intelligence
A Spiritual-Scientific Response
by Nicanor Perlas
Temple Lodge, 2018

It's anthroposophical, but even for those who don't stomach that, Perlas says some very interesting things.

Outlook: scary

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
No, some have been injured. They didn't make much noise, but there were some heart attacks, strokes, and such. Remember, there was extreme, but extreme pressure to not say anything against the vaxxes. The heavy pressure is letting up, but it's still there.

Also, most high-powered high-status people are extremely careful not to let anyone know when they aren't well-- it makes hem look vulnerable, it hurts their game.

I don't want to say who it is but I personally know someone who most conspiracy theorists would assume took "saline" but nope, he gulped the Koolaid, got his jabs, and then suffered a heart attack.

Re: Big Picture Questions

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
A politician doesn't need to conspire with everyone he can just say/lie:

I had my waxxine with my doctor, but I will pose for your public campaign, to help and you do the inert serum.


I am sure no one will follow up to actually check.

Re: Big Picture Questions

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I think one important aspect is an increasing tendency towards herdlike behavior, especially a shift towards seeing truth as a matter of consensus rather than external reality. Some contributing factors:

1. The long-term evolutionary trajectory of our species towards greater socialization/domestication.

2. The internet becoming central to everyone's life: Big Brother is watching, and the constant blitz of information makes it hard to think things through.

3. The Age of Limits increasing the consequences of deviance, e.g. wokeness as a reaction to economic precarity in media and academia.

4. Economic and technical specialization habituates people to outsourcing their decisions.

We should also look at it from the other end: what made some people not fall for it? Why am I posting on this forum instead of masking up to get my 8th booster?

1. I'm a cynical misfit.

2. A lifetime of complex medical issues taught me that doctors often have no idea what they're doing.

3. My education and first-hand experience with scientific research innoculated me against scientism.

4. Skepticism of technology, independent of the above.

5. A secure income, a modest lifestyle, and a solitary disposition shield me from many sources of pressure.

What about the rest of you?

Sawdust
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Re: Big Picture Questions

[personal profile] scotlyn 2023-01-12 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Lovely quote. Thank you for that!

Re: Big Picture Questions

[personal profile] fredsmith11 2023-01-12 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I'm white and male, but I like to think I'm not low status.

"Evil is not what low status white males imagine it to be, 13 Illuminati bloodlines gathering together at the Bilderberg conference to discuss how to use vaccines to enrich themselves and kill off all the obsolete proles who will be replaced by machinery before they sink their fangs into a terrified child."

Question: What do you think the Bilderberg conference is for?

The jabs surely enriched Big Pharma and their stockholders and killed off a lot of obsolete proles.

Industrial, corporate and retail automation looks like a thing to me.

What do you think Epstein was up to and who was he doing it for? An impressive list of public figures on his guest list Yes? How do you think he committed suicide in his 24 hour watched cell?

Many people are desperate to believe that Big Gov, Big Tech, Big Pharma et al really do have our best interests at heart, but have perhaps made a few mistakes, small though they are, recently. But don't worry, the next election will fix those. That's one reason why the propaganda works so well.

On the other hand, you're right evil is also banal. Some people are ratbags plain and simple. Don't know why, they just are. I'm in my late 60s and still get sucked in by ratbags from time to time, because I make the mistake of assuming they're decent and honest.

COVID has brought to the fore for me the importance of discernment, including consciously and deliberately assessing if I want to engage with certain people.

Re: Big Picture Questions

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
All three of those hypotheses are accurate. Which one might be most accurate? That's very hard to say.

The demonic efflorescence we're living through on this planet at the moment is very much a result of divine influences. There are both disturbed gods as well as plenty of fallen angels behind the current pathetic state of affairs.

Then there is the spiritually-sanitized materialist worldview that gave us such delightful boons as unfettered capitalism, sprawling industrial waste, and the ever-popular The Science™. That demonic worldview seems to specialize in creating malevolent institutions, which have been engineering mass insanity for centuries now. Materialism’s disciples and handmaidens can be viewed as independent actors or as tiny cogs in its huge grinding gears.

Given that it is humans who have become so demon infested of late, humanity's propensity to mass insanity appears to be playing a not insignificant role as well. As far as I can tell, squirrels haven't been succumbing to mass delusion or shredding their social contract any more than usual. Even lemmings only end up falling into suicidal frenzies when disturbed human scientists force them into it (so as to conform to their equally disturbed theories.)

It’s a bit of a chicken-or-egg question. These three imbalances all arose at about the same time — is any one of them causing the others, or are they all simply reflections of each other? It’s worth pondering, but infinitely more visionary and magical is putting our energy into contemplating how the world looks as those three imbalances naturally fade back into a more balanced equilibrium.

— Christophe

Re: Big Picture Questions

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is the treason of the artist

This is what I'm atoning for, myself

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Percent of the US with at least the first jab

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Apologies since I know this has been discussed before, but I have no clue where to find it.

Can anybody tell me their best guess of the US population being unvaccinated? A friend of mine who delves deeply in this matter tells me he finds no exact number, but is pretty sure it's between 40 and 50%. But he cannot be certain.

Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Not at all surprised, considering how many pilots have had 'incidents' in the past two years (most of which has not been publicized). A lot of private plane owners will hire only one pilot, so if your 'main guy' has an incident and there's no backup, things could get rather lively quite quickly! Even though the Davos crowd are gung-ho on depopulation, it looks like not many of them are volunteering to 'lead by example'!

Ron M

Re: This an wild speculation threat it as such

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Depends on a host of factors. One of which is that it's common for layoffs to be done in bunches; so it'll depend on when exactly the next round of scheduled layoffs are going to hit; it'll also depend on whether or not you actually contribute to the company, with some positions being more likely to be dependent on actual contributions than others; rank, with higher ups being less likely to face this sort of issue, provided they perform; and so on through a host of factors.

Re: We Now Have Key Evidence Pfizer Committed Fraud

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not necessarily good news. It would depend on what exactly the sludge did when injected, and I see no way we can possibly know any of that as of yet.

Re: We Now Have Key Evidence Pfizer Committed Fraud

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Art school the same. Students emulate teachers, originality is suspicious dangerous and low class.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
PAPA! is this your voice and laugh on KPFA???
MUST RE LISTEN!

Conflicts of Interest - a Basic Concept thereof quite lacking

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
re: "what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries."

Ah, but the self-inflicted injuries, they are amazeballs. I note that attorney Aaron Siri and ICAN and CHDF are piling on... and lot of people, formerly well-off and respected, will not be able to wiggle out of this:

"Exclusive: ‘Independent’ Advisor to Evaluate Pfizer Vaccine Safety Was Former Paid Pfizer Consultant
Dr. Kathryn Edwards, a well-known vaccinologist who served on the data monitoring committee charged with ensuring the safety and efficacy of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, previously worked as a paid consultant and advisor to Pfizer. A closer look into Edwards’ credentials reveals this was just one of many conflicts of interest."
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kathryn-edwards-pfizer-covid-vaccine-conflict

PAPA ON KPFA RADIO!

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
https://kpfa.org/episode/the-visionary-activist-show-jan-12-2023/

I caught Papa on the radio!
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(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, Lisa Marie Presley.

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the people most likely to have gotten an intentionally fake vaxx are not the supposedly "important people"-- most of them drank the Koolaid-- but it was the medical personnel, especially nurses, who knew it wasn't right to be be making people take experimental jabs for a disease they had already receoivered from. Easiest thing in the world to just squirt the crap into the sink and give your friend (probably a fellow nurse) the paperwork.

But actually I don't think this was all that common. The pressure was so very tremendous.

Re: Big Picture Questions

(Anonymous) 2023-01-12 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
re: "COVID has brought to the fore for me the importance of discernment, including consciously and deliberately assessing if I want to engage with certain people."

I can say the same.

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