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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I looked at Sheridan's video. He seems to think that the "jab-berwocky" has changed its recipients on some ontological level. He states that these people are no longer human.

I am not so sure about the cause and effect here. I have long believed that "A crisis does not change people - it reveals them!" In other words, we now know what the people we thought we knew are actually like.

Another point. I reject Sheridan's Gnostic/Manichean view that there are two species inhabiting human bodies. Many Gnostics theorize that most people are what they call "Pre-Adamics" or "Organic Portals" who only have the appearance of being human. Gnostics commonly divide people into "σαρχικοί" (fleshly), "ψυχικοί" (soulish) and "πνευματικοί " (spiritual), and further assert that these states are ontological and immutable (almost a proto-Calvinist position).

As an Orthodox Christian, I reject that. I think that the so-called "σαρχικοί" are simply souls that have not matured enough to receive spiritual influences. I do not think that this is immutable. There are many people who lived grossly fleshly lives, who later repented and became great saints.

As for whether the jabs are enough to turn ordinary people into zombies, I tend to think not. However, in fairness, I must point out that there are several holy elders on Mount Athos who do consider the vaccines to be a precursor to the "Mark of the Beast" and who do think that they can disrupt or destroy the possibility of a spiritual connection to God.

I personally have not seen people suddenly change their personalities after receiving a shot. Maybe my sample size is too small. .....

Michael Martin

I'd call the notion of immutable spiritual state Manichean rather than Gnostic -- yes, it appears in some Gnostic traditions, but it is explicitly rejected by a good many others: for example, the Naassenes in the ancient world and a certain Universal Gnostic Church nowadays. ;-) Mani and his followers were much more consistent about it. "Proto-Calvinist" is an even better term, since Calvin was strongly influenced by Augustine of Hippo, who was a Manichean before he became a Christian and never really shook off Manichean ideas.

Interesting that you should mention Augustine. As you doubtless already know, we Orthodox have a complicated "push me, pull you" relationship with him. On the one hand, his personal holiness is unquestionable, and generations of Orthodox Christians (including myself) can personally relate to his famous and much-beloved Confessions.

On the other hand, we reject the strict predestinarianism of some of his writings. We refer to him as "Blessed" Augustine (one step below full sainthood), because of his erroneous teachings. However, only a very few Orthodox regard him as outright heretical. For us, "heresy" involves a concerted effort to change Church teachings. You can be mistaken, without being a "heretic" in that sense.

So, he has an honored place among us, but we do not regard him as an authority on par with St. Basil the Great or St. John Chrysostom.

Michael Martin

...and a lot of us regard him as a sort of stress fracture, where the Western church started sliding off the other direction :/

I've just finishing watching Sheridan's full video.. and again, it's one of those times when my intuition goes ' ding ding ding' - aka it's right on the mark.

I've only become more familiar with Orthodox Christianity - based on Alexander Christofouri explaining it quickly in a recent interview with the Polish gal. As he puts it, the process matters a lot and you have to take a longer-term view and be more patient. That is what's taught culturally and spiritually, which ties in with Michael Martin's take.

However, there was a discussion last week about how folks are no longer enjoying the events which they used to go to, due to them having embraced vexing mandates. I have the same exact feelings - not just for the physical events, but during the early part of the global lockdowns, a lot of complete classical concerts were posted on Youtube by the main labels which own the copywrites, and one thing I noticed quickly and have commented in private with friends - is that a person would be playing a piece which sounded transcendal, euphoric or just full of joy. But the same person playing the same piece now in a new recording - would be note perfect technically speaking, playing with polished ease.... yet there's definitely something missing. In the older version, I may have wanted to play it in the background while reading some other stuff, but it becomes so arresting that I switch over and just simply enjoy watching and listening to the performance. Now? it's like muzak in the background and I can barely tolerate it. I had described it as the performer no longer having any soul in the music...

Orthodoxy: Understanding comes through praxis. Just do it ;)

Well it turns out that the jabs are not all what they purport to be, so a lot of the jabbed may have simply received salt water, or something very close to it. Alexandria Latypova gave an interview to Dr McCullough on that subject the other day (and some other interviews as well).

Has the jab changed people energetically/spiritually is something I keep asking myself.

Generally I can pick someone who isn't jabbed. I'm not sure if it's an energetic sensing, or something about their attitude and the way they talk.

What I do notice is that the jabbed are constrained in how they think. They seem locked into a limited worldview, unable to consider possibilities outside of a narrow range. Trying to discuss things outside of that leads to blocking, blank looks and anger if you push it.

Has it turned them into zombies (scene cuts to an episode of The Walking Dead)? No, any effect is subtle so far, apart from say sudden death, but death is preferable to being a zombie isn't it?

Does the jab have elements of the mark of the beast? You mean do they want to have a bar code and DNA record for all of us? That would only be so Amazon could drone over your meds, nothing sinister surely?

I'm not willing to say, at this point, that the shots are stunting people spiritually.

But I do think that for many people, the act of going along with something that you don't feel is completely right, that maybe you have some instinctive reservations about... that act, in and of itself, is spiritually stunting. You've accepted a leash and muzzle, in exchange for... your job, money, certain privileges you're used to.

That sort of stunting is reversible. But it's difficult.

I think maybe what we're seeing is a very large number of people who recently-- despite some misgivings-- bowed to the leash and muzzle. Getting out is going to cost them, but it's still possible. Maybe we can help.

That is a very inspiring perspective - thank you!

Milkyway

What if it is the reverse phenomena - that by refusing the vax completely, the unvaxxed became alive in a new way?

The vaxxed didn't change, we did who refused it.

A la Pinocchio?

I have, in fact, felt more myself and alive after having had to face whether I would fold or not.

I think there's something to that as well. Maybe it's both.

I can't say I was ever pressured to get the shots, so perhaps I have missed an opportunity for growth ;)

But I can say that the whole experience has been... illuminating. It revealed ugliness in places I never expected to see it, weakness in people and organizations I thought had more backbone, and like sticking a glowing genetic marker into an organism to trace the extent of a change... it highlighted just how far and fast is the reach of propaganda in the internet age.

We've all learned a lot, and learning does change us. For those who resisted, the exercise of will in the service of conscience also changes us. Radically.

Your comment gave me glimpses of planets, sort of up close and a 3/4 view.........

I don't know why....

Well, inspired by your comments, I watched the Sheridan clip.

Blaming the fizzing red wave on the transmogrification of the vaxxed into a new species made me chuckle, although I'm not convinced that the vax has made the vaxxed into a different species either. Sure, they may have taken on some new thinking/behaviours, but I tend to agree with you in that the events of the last few years have probably more revealed people for who they are, instead of changing what they really are.

On a personal level, I accept that whatever the cause, there's just something about my makeup that makes me fundamentally different to almost everyone else in my hometown. I mean, at one stage the local health authorities were claiming a 104% vax rate, whereas I have declined to accept even one injection! More seriously, despite the odd figures from time to time, the authorities have almost certainly injected almost everyone who was eligible for the sacrament in my town, and they all went along with the whole shebang.

These events have led me to the crazy realization that almost everyone in my town is genuinely incapable of grokking the way I think and behave. And that's not new - it's always been that way. It's just that it's taken these events to make me accept it. The vaccines haven't changed them - they were always like that, and in all likelihood, they always will be like that. If Sheridan isn't right about our differences being due to the vax, then perhaps the Gnostics were onto something after all :P

Whatever the case, it's liberating. I can stop worrying so much now about this or that difference. What'd be the point? Which brings me around to agreeing with Sheridan that there's no point in being Nationalistic when one has bugger all in common with their countrymen, and I respect that he feels connected to his international tribe.

I'd be interested to hear more about these Gnostic beliefs you've raised, and the views of the elders of Mount Athos. With respect to the latter, I googled "Mount Athos elders vaccine" and the first headlines/hits were about how "Greece's Mount Athos elders trust God and science to protect them from COVID" - ha, ha, methinks the search engine doth protest too much :) I think I'll have to put in a bit more effort to find their views on the vax and its relationship to the "Mark of the Beast".

Anyway, thanks all for a couple of interesting posts/links.

The Ninth Mouse

Here is a link to a podcast by a monk in Australia, who goes over this is a lot of detail (warning - LONG podcast!):

https://www.orthodoxtalks.com/talk-82-the-importance-of-reading-the-lives-of-saints-when-dealing-with-the-heresies-of-ecumenism-and-covidism-part-1/

Thanks, I'll watch it.

There's a Serbian Orthodox Church in my area, I looked them up out of curiosity earlier during covidworld and was happy to discover some sympathy for the unvaccinated from (what I presume) is their leadership:

https://soc.org.au/en/news/1542-where-to-australia-quo-vadis-australia

Even though I'm not a Serbian expat, or an Orthodox anything, it's still nice to know that there's at least one institution in my region that's sympathetic to the unvaccinated.

The Ninth Mouse

Still haven't watched the Sheridan clip, but your mention of grokking reminded me of a very worthwhile new post from Ugo Bardi: https://www.senecaeffect.com/2022/11/how-to-beat-propaganda-grokking-strategy.html

Interesting - another intellectual who comprehends that we are living on 'Spaceship Earth' who also appears to have rejected the official vax narrative. Funny how all of the thinkers that I respected before the events of the last few years for their ideas on ecological matters are on broadly the same page on this issue as well :)

If one doesn't try to 'grok' things and isn't at least a bit of an 'anarchist' by disposition (for whatever reason) then one will probably always comply slavishly with the 'authorities' no matter how stupid and flawed their knowledge claims and diktats happen to be on a given issue.

That sort of independence seems rare though - especially where I live. And I'm not even all that radical really, it's just that I'm not a total sub, so that tells you something.

Anyway, I'm sure most of the time unthinking obedience is adaptive in modern society, otherwise most people wouldn't do it. The price for it though is that every now and again the groupthink goes awry, and we get a Bay of Pigs, a Space Shuttle Challenger, a global EGT campaign, industrial-technological civilization. . . :P

The Ninth Mouse

This is great. For some reason I returned three times to find this link and finally got to it. Wonderfully put thoughts about independent thinking and led to a new word too.

Orthodox priest Twitter account

Not following 'the speed of science' down to the pharmacy it seems :-)

https://twitter.com/AnaniasFather

No, it would seem not :)

My local Orthodox Serbs have a groovy Byzantine style monastery in the country nearby.

If/when the vax passports come in, perhaps they'll let me work for food :P

The Ninth Mouse

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