ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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IM Doc
November 8, 2022 at 3:33 pm
About the Dr. Leonardi article about T-cell dysfunction in COVID.

The article that Lambert has referenced is something I think we should all read and contemplate. The article is written for all to understand. It is not full of jargon and medicalese.

The basic hypothesis being put forth is that COVID is exhausting our immune systems, particularly the T-cells, which are the “ace in the hole” for any immune action against a virus.

I have heard this line of thinking debated in academic conferences for the past 2 years many times. I think it is becoming clear ( an in now way a consensus ) that this line of thinking is absolutely plausible.

Right up front, this type of situation is already found in other human viral infections, most notably dengue fever, the defining pattern of which is that the second and subsequent infections are much worse, often lethal, than the first. Years of research have realized that a large component of this problem has to do with an exhausted immune system.

Secondly, one could posit if this was really the case that eventually, the communal immune system would be so wiped out that fighting other infectious agents, both group and individually, may be a problem. Look around you. I have never seen so much RSV in my life. And now the flu is coming right up behind. Lots and lots of non-COVID illness. And especially the RSV – this has never been this pathogenic an infection in my career until the past few months.

I ask very tough questions in conferences. Someone has to.

If I were in a conference with Dr. Leonardi, I would have the following ready to go……

“It is crystal clear in my practice, and in the chatter I hear from docs all around me, that the vaccinated patients are mainly the ones we are seeing quite literally over and over again. I have many that are now on infection #4 or 5. Again, this is clearly much more common in the vaccinated. Indeed, we now have studies coming in from everywhere that the VE ( vaccine effectiveness) often goes negative in many age groups and demographics only after a few weeks/months….the most recent is the Qatari study from NEJM just days ago. IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming much more likely to be vaccinated. This is certainly obvious to me looking at my practice. If this is so, Dr. Leonardi, are you aware of the vaccines mitigating this effect on frequent infections? If not, is this not putting the vaccinated in more damage given your model?”

That to me is the elephant in the room…..and I am hearing it being discussed nowhere. Unfortunately, I am starting to see in the multiply infected a significant propensity toward frequent other infections, shingles, severe fatigue, and lack of desire for exercise.

There is so much we need to know – now. We need those who are unafraid to ask hard questions. But as was pointed out to me just a few weeks ago by one of my elder professors – critical thinking has been quashed. We simply cannot tolerate misinformation. Those who engage in it are the evildoers – just look at the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html

There really will need to be a day of accountability for all of this. Meanwhile, there are those of us out on the fruited plain, who have practices literally full of these kinds of patients. With all kinds of questions.

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shinola
November 8, 2022 at 4:21 pm
“IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming much more likely to be vaccinated.”

Huh…?

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IM Doc
November 8, 2022 at 4:30 pm
Sorry – it should read – IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming more likely to be infected

I find this mildly amusing. Yesterday, I posted a comment to the 11/08 links, regarding the Leonardi article in The Tyree, that was there. I guess I too directly questioned Leonardi's motivations in his exclusive focus on repeated infections exhausting the immume system, ignoring repeated introduction of novel proteins. I saw my post in the comments later in the afternoon. Checking to see if there were replies, this morning, it was gone.

Here is what I wrote. I guess I was more pointed in my criticism than IM Doc:
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I am puzzled by Leonardi. I can't quite figure him out. He lists himself as a Kavli Fellow on his twitter bio, but not that he is pursuing MPH degree, as the linked article mentions. I can't find anything in his twitter feed on Kavli. Kavli appears to dabble in concern over 'Science and Society', but the science Kavli support are well outside his area of expertise. I would say he provides half-truths.

He goes on about repeated infection depleting T-cells, but avoids any consideration of what the multiple pharmaceutical interventions recommended per year might be doing, that keep reintroducing the original spike into the body. The press routinely ignores this as well. Given how novel all of this is, I think it is intellectually dishonest not to consider the rampant application of novel pharmaceuticals, which possesses some of same novel proteins as the infection, as potenially causing problems as well.

I often think of this piece from November, 2020, that while a Moderna puff piece, gave a reason why Moderna moved into vaccines:

"...In animal studies, the ideal dose of their leading mRNA therapy was triggering dangerous immune reactions — the kind for which Karikó had improvised a major workaround under some conditions — but a lower dose had proved too weak to show any benefits.

Moderna had to pivot. If repeated doses of mRNA were too toxic to test in human beings, the company would have to rely on something that takes only one or two injections to show an effect. Gradually, biotech’s self-proclaimed disruptor became a vaccines company, putting its experimental drugs on the back burner and talking up the potential of a field long considered a loss-leader by the drug industry."

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

I saw my post in the comments later in the afternoon. Checking to see if there were replies, this morning, it was gone.

I’m guessing your comment was ok’d by whoever was moderating at the time, then deleted by Yves when she read it. Yves injected the Kool-Aid, and only tolerates vax criticisms from her pet regulars, including IM Doc. She also thinks masks work and there was no lab leak, so discussions of those topics are similarly censored. Worse, she allows her pets to make ad hominem attacks on critics, against the longstanding site rules.

After 15 years of reading Naked Capitalism almost every morning, I quit in disgust about 8 months ago. Now I only stop in to read the IM Doc posts, and while I’m at it see what Amfortas, Wukchumni, and Arizona Slim have to say (Howdy, Slim!).

From what I can tell, Yves and some of my seemingly intelligent friends who lost their boosted minds since March 2020 made poor choices in their “trusted experts”. It’s fashionable to think that the world is too complex to understand outside ones own area of expertise, so one should defer to what the experts in other subjects say. Having seen how often experts are wrong, I try to do a deep dive into a subject and gather information from a variety of sources so that I have enough understanding to evaluate the evidence on my own. And I reevaluate my decisions as new information comes to light. I suppose not everyone has the time or brainpower to bone up on a subject like immunology, but to me it seemed important. And I’m glad I did!

I've been reading for a long time. I used to give money. I stopped when NC was so hysterical about Sweden being a COVID Disaster. I skim the links every morning and water cooler. I let them read the news for me. Anytime I read news stuff on msn or yahoo, I'm shocked how awful and propoganda-like it all is.

IM Doc comments are worth reading, I agree.

Like the above commenter, I stop in to NC for IM Doc's comments. I also pay a little attention to stuff in Yves' wheelhouse, finance.

Yves, Lambert and the rest are, as has been said, vaxxed and boostered. This after years of "don't trust the government, don't trust big pharma, don't trust big finance." Now they can't admit even to themselves that they did the exact opposite of their mantra.

For such allegedly hard-headed people, they have blind spots the same as anyone else. It's still infuriating to me that they will say absolutely nothing about the shots. Nothing!

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