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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Did the US remove the travel ban against those unwilling to take the medical experiment? I thought I heard it hear but as is always the case lately, there's next to no mention of it in the press.

I recently travelled to the US and was surprised that there was still a vaccine requirement. It did require some proof via an app. I think the US is the only country doing this still.

Ugh! I’m American and that appalls me. I’m disgusted with my government. As Moon Unit Zappa said, gag me with a spoon.

It was strange, but after I went through it, like another comment there seemed to be no enforcement or follow up whatsoever. Which begs the question as to why it's in place at all...

I heard this from a friend from New Zealand, too. They have ultra-strict rules on paper, but her husband's app wouldn't work, and they couldn't get back in unless he could provide the dates of his vaccines. So he got a paper version from the ticket agent, and wrote down his wife's info, and that was good enough.

I think there was just something subconscious going on in these countries - a vague paranoia about threats from outsiders that in reality never materialize.

Yep they're definitely out to get us and that's why we've agreed to let the US base 8 B52 nuclear armed bombers near Darwin and pay $100B+ for nuclear subs that we won't have control of. You can never be too safe, hence Canberra is the most jabbed place on the freakin' planet.

Australia follows these dictats:

1. Make annoying, yappy noises whenever the US tells us to.

2. Piss off the Chinese, our most important trading partner, at every opportunity.

3. Be a good little globalist poodle. E.g. The first thing our new PM did on entering office was go and genuflect in front of Zelensky, then bung him a few hundred million $, plus some armoured cars as target practice for the Russians.

The price of electricity and gas is shooting up here, even though we export huge amounts of gas, because we're too stupid to get the multinationals to pay a resource tax, or sell the gas to the local market at a reasonable price.

Re: International Travel Ban

hearthspirit - 2022-11-11 20:23 (UTC) - Expand

Ohmygod, like, totally!

Ondreya? Is that you?

Many Asian nations are requiring vaccinations and boosters plus tests for entry or a tourist visa.

China wants all of the above, plus the PCR test and a Covid fecal test. The US does not require a fecal test or any test for entry.

Currently, Viet Nam does not require the shots for a visa.

Yes, but not for non citizens or those without legal standing.

Can a U.S. citizen (Un-V) who is a dual Canadian citizen enter the US after a period of quarantine? Or proof of no-C?

US citizens can enter the US without a vax or quarantine.

I am a non-foxed US citizen. I traveled overseas and came back in June this year. When I came back no one asked me once anywhere except the airline agent at check in. I simply said "medical exemption" when asked and that was it. I was prepared with copies of everything. Border/Customs didn't say a word. I had even tested and had my results with me. No one asked.

I even found an affidavit that one could print out from the US gov that allowed citizens a form to fill out which allowed for medical and religious exemptions. I printed that and had it ready. I didn't save it but I'm sure with some internet-ing you could find it. I originally went through all the state dept or CDC links so it must connect via there somehow. I was shocked at how easy it was despite all the scare tactics and that there was even a government form with an obvious loophole that no one seems to talk about.

If you're a US citizen, they can't legally keep you out.

Canadian citizens entering Canada have not been so lucky, from what I hear.

Well, not exactly. My husband, born here with a US passport and never so much as a speeding ticket, is detained and almost ejected every single time we've crossed back in to the US. His name and birth date match someone they want and they threaten him for an hour and ask questions then fortunately let him go. There's literally no recourse and I honestly never know if he'll be released.

The rules are whatever they make up at the time. Very 3rd world vibe.

Re: International Travel Ban

(Anonymous) - 2022-11-10 10:03 (UTC) - Expand

Since when? We don't have any travel restrictions related to covid anymore at all.

It was also never possible to legally keep out a Canadian citizen -- it was explicitly on the TravelCan website that citizens were always allowed back in. I knew a few people who travelled unvaccinated to other countries that hadn't had the travel vaccine mandate and came back; a lot of people didn't actually realise that there was a Canadian mandate, because so long as you weren't trying to go to the US, they still felt free.

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(Anonymous) - 2022-11-10 04:44 (UTC) - Expand

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html

Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers
Required for non-U.S. citizen, nonimmigrant passengers arriving from a foreign country to the United States by air

Previously a certificate of testing within 24 hours of departure was required of everyone, including US citizens. That was dropped. Now only non-citizens require proof of vaccination.

One if flying. If you walk across the border you will be fine, apparently.

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(Anonymous) - 2022-11-10 10:03 (UTC) - Expand

I am an unvaxxed US citizen and have traveled between the US and Europe 3 x this year, no docs other than my passport, no problem.

The first time I flew from the US to Europe where I did not need any test or vaxx certificate the check-in agent was insistent that I needed a vaxx certificate, but I was insistent that I did not (because I had checked and for where I was flying, the requirements had been removed). In a big huff, clearly disgusted with me, she went to check with her supervisor and, after quite a long while, returned, now very, very subdued. It was as if some grey veil had come over her. She didn't say anything more about requirements, but tersely checked me in as if nothing had happened.

I cannot say what exactly was going on in her mind but I do know that many people who did not want to get vaxxed went and got vaxxed because they believed they had to if they ever wanted to work and/or travel again. Somehow, from the beginning, my intuition alarms told me this was not true, and that I would just need to be a little bit patient.

So here's my guess-- just guess: it was sort of like maybe she had paid a big price, but neener-neener, here's someone who got by for free-- so the game wasn't what she thought it was!

But speaking of the game not being what she thought it was, I think that's how it is for all of us, actually. There is something so deeply weird about all of it.

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Re: International Travel Ban

methylethyl - 2022-11-12 18:42 (UTC) - Expand

I'm pretty sure the ban only applies to non-US-citizens. If you're a US citizen (dual or not), you shouldn't be affected?

The horror of it, is that it *does* affect people who are non-citizen legal residents, even those who are married to US citizens. I have heard a number of stories about such people having to move their families outside the US in order to be together.

I am in the same situation and never had been asked about the injection history after presenting my US passport on land & air arrival

There never was a travel ban for U.S citizens to my understanding, only foreigners and that rule is still in effect, though they expanded the exceptions list.

Papers weren't asked this time though, it was usually asked at the check in desk and since I did that online nobody asked me. I did have to sign some paper that made me promise I would quarantine if I got infected or something.

What is the situation in Europe right now regarding this for American travelers?

Thanks

The US State Department keeps an up-to-date list as do the embassy's in each country. It's very thorough you can even email them questions directly.

As far as I know, as a US citizen, I can enter the US without the vax, but my Japanese husband, who took the first two jabs and fared badly enough to refuse a third, cannot. Also, if they require an "app" from either of us, we cannot enter. Returning to Japan, we wouldn't need the vax, but once again, the "app" seems to be a problem.

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