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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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The study would need to have been done in the context of a society in economic decline. The ethnic groups you mentioned in the US integrated during times of increasing prosperity for the majority.

We are in new territory here and there is no modern map.

So if it's people who are demonically possessed since 2015-2016 who have been influencing the the covid catastrophe in the US, why have so many countries followed a similar policy?

Russia had mandatory vaccination in order to work for everyone. They are "enemies" so why did they do what we did?
China went to crazy town with covid and still is crazy.
The African continent has a vaccination rate of less than 5 per 100 people https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations (use the sort above the country column to see vaccination rate). Most of these countries have the infrastructure to vaccinate and have been doing kid vaccinations for decades. So what gives?

I've heard it said that the US government basically runs other countries through the State Department, with our ambassadors either hinting or explicitly telling foreign governments how to run their countries. So I don't see it out of the realm of possibility that the covid vaccination fantasy was pushed through US policy either formally or informally in this way.

The mass movement in the US controlled by demons I understand, just don't get why most of the world got it too. Also demons?

https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-recover/
https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/

If those dbs are searchable by large numbers of people, I wonder if it would be possible for some undesirable conspiracy theorist to look for an association between unusual deaths and vax status. It would mean risking prison like Assange, for sure.

Inquiring minds want to know. It would take cross referencing with death records, but that's the data anyone would need. How to do it legally is the question.

Coquin de Chien with another look at the death trends discernible from death certificates, this time in Vermont.

https://coquindechien.substack.com/p/vermont-all-cause-signal-analysis

Dorothy tapping her red shoes together.......

>world where the only information I get is from government sources or the corporate press.

That was the 70s and 80s, with your host Peter Jennings. Things still got out but it was rumors spread the old-fashioned way from person to person talking. I remember hearing about how aspartame was bad for you via that old fashioned grapevine. Come to find out, yup, it was bad for you.

>Elon could be controlled opposition

He is. You can take that to the bank. Do. Not. Trust. Him.

>he could just be a clown

That one is self-evident. Actually, his untrustworthiness is self-evident too, if you were watching the lawsuits where he tried to wriggle out of what he had signed to.

Twitter is the quintessential dumpster fire and there are no heroes in that story, only villains. My advice is to treat all those big corporate sites as if they are diseased whores - you never touch them directly, only through gloves or condoms.

This is great. For some reason I returned three times to find this link and finally got to it. Wonderfully put thoughts about independent thinking and led to a new word too.

Nicely put.

In terms of the war in Ukraine being a one-two punch with Covidmania
I wonder too why we haven't seen choreographed dance numbers from Ukrainian politicians or maybe even the 'Azov Brigade' in the halls of their parliament or the Azovstal steel plant basement where they were holed up.

Back in the Era Where Things Worked, this would've been solved with a pay toilet. Here's a coin slot, do yuor business. Now you have to have at least 3 extra steps and whole lot of gratuitous unstable technology to accomplish the same thing.

It's a dystopian world, but it's a very fragile dystopian world they're building.

If Twitter implodes, then maybe it'll encourage people to set up the alternatives offline, so that we don't need to rely on the internet for this anymore. People spread news opposed to the official narrative all the time before the 1990s, and didn't need the internet for it, so we know it can be done.

Thank you for the long transcription and the news that at least some in the UK government are backing down from the insanity, admitting their wrongs, investigating the wrong doings and are advocating the compensation those who have been wronged/harmed. Perhaps a mere 75% of the apples in the UK barrel of politics are rotten.

Interesting that Canada was the first country mentioned by Danny Kruger as having gone totally C*vid-loopy. Here we cannot trust our government to behave like an adult. That's why the citizens have struck up an inquiry that is entirely funded, organized and run by 'the people' (https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/). Honk honk!

Ron M

UK Man Sent To Prison For 6 Months For Serving Snacks At Club During Lockdown: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-man-sent-prison-6-months-serving-snacks-club-during-lockdown

"The report also notes that the Judge believed Snelling to be “anti-establishment, especially to the police. He doesn’t like being told what to do. He treated police with resentment.”

During the lockdown periods in the UK there were scores of reports of people refusing to go along with the restrictions and being reported to the police by neighbours. Many incidences were clearly innocuous and involved people sitting alone in their cars or out walking alone. Other people trying to get to work or shop in supermarkets were routinely harassed by police.

In one incident, Police in the UK arrested a man for handing out free soup to homeless people in a park, claiming that he had violated COVID-19 restrictions.

Meanwhile, the British government was literally holding parties in Downing Street."

Transcriber here. As an American I am familiar with the work of US Senator Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) in shining a strong light on covid 19 jab safety issues. I'm also aware that Sir Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch, UK, has been spent he past year advocating for those affected by the vaccines, and that his many speeches have been heavily suppressed on the main Internet sites and pointedly ignored by the MSM. Above in the threads on this forum, I posted the speech by UK MP Danny Kruger on the subject of the vaccines-- Kruger's of special interest because he comes out and sincerely apologizes for having voted for mandates for careworkers. I felt that this speech-- one of many over the last year-- by Sir Christopher Chope, from this same recent recording, directly following Danny Kruger's, would be especially apt for transcription. It seems to me that Danny Kruger's and Sir Christopher Chope's speeches, coming after Dr. Malhotra's turn against the vaccines, and after as Pfizer director made clear, in answer to a European Member of Parliament's direct question, that the vaccines were in fact never tested for their ability to stop transmission, mark a turning point.

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"victims are increasingly telling their loved ones and neighbors and friends about their circumstances, and as a result of that we are seeing a much lower rate of application to get booster vaccines. And a reason for that is because the government can't suppress information going around amongst ordinary people even though there is very little about this in the mainstream media. But many people now would not would not touch a booster with a barge pole and I include myself amongst those."
— SIR CHRISTOPHER CHOPE, Member of Parliament for Christchurch, UK

E-petition debate relating to the safety of covid-19 vaccines - Monday 24 October 2022
UK Parliament (official YT channel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgGCgxGYkk

TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE:
Sir Christopher Chope is a Member of Parliament (Conservative) for Christchurch.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/242/contact

TRANSCRIPT OF EXCERPT

37:42
SIR CHRISTOPHER CHOPE: Sir Roger, it's a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship. And I am as you referred to now the chair of the All Party Parliamentary group for the victims of the covid 19 vaccine damage. And we've had, the group is now set up and running and we had this enormously well-supported meeting in [?] House last Thursday.

I agree with the legitimate concerns of the hundred thousand plus people who signed this petition, and I share their belief that the recent and increasing volume of data relating to cardiovascular problems is enough of concern to warrant an inquiry into safety. And although as I refer the big Hallett inquiry* into covid 19 is going to cover I think a lot of this ground that won't be for many years, and in the meantime people are being encouraged to have more and more boosters and they want to know understandably what the impact of those boosters is upon their health and what the potential risks and rewards are.

It's— I as chairman of this APPG** and having taken an issue in this subject for about a year and produced a private member's bill, another one of which I hope to be able to produce, have a second [?] for next month, I've come across the findings of coroners reports up and down the country. Those coroners have found that deaths have been caused directly by covid 19 vaccines. And I've spoken to some of the bereaved, and indeed I spoke to the gentlemen who was referred to by my honorable friend who attended our meeting on Thursday whose wife was a journalist in Newcastle. And I've seen with my own eyes the suffering that those people are going through as bereaved or as people who are still suffering the ill effects of the adverse reactions.

And I'm sorry that my honorable friend in introducing this debate didn't really have much to say about the people who we know have suffered death or serious injury as a result of the vaccines. If I may say to him I think he showed himself to be rather the victim of producer capture, and the producer in this case being the MHRA***. He doesn't seem to have allowed his researches to go further than the MHRA. Has he for example looked at what's been happening in Germany where the Germans, they have an institute called the Paul Ehrlich Institute and that is the German regulator responsible for vaccine safety. And on the 20th of July they confirmed that 1 in 5,000 people were affected by a serious effect after vaccination. And that is, that reflected also a finding that they published earlier in the year in which they tried to raise the alert that 1 in 5,000 vaccinated people has a serious side effect such as heart muscle inflammation. And statistically they said every 10th person must expect a severe consequence from having a course of 3 or 4 vaccines. And the institute uses the WHO definition of a serious adverse event, meaning one which results in hospitalization, is life-threatening, or life-changing. And after a 4 dose course the risk of a report to their system of a serious adverse effect is 1 in 1,250.

Now that is serious information coming from the regulator in another country which is highly respected for the quality of its health care. And isn't it interesting also that the number of adverse reports referred to there is far fewer* than the number of adverse reports which led to the 1976 swine flu vaccine being withdrawn. Some members may recall in 1976, Gerald Ford, President of the United States at the time, was panicked by swine flu into organizing a vaccination campaign. And when reports emerged of suspected adverse reactions, including heart attacks, Guillain Barré syndrome, and there were 53 reported deaths, people began to worry about the safety of the vaccine and the government halted the mass vaccination program in December of that same year. So in that case the government acted on far fewer adverse events than we've been talking about during this debate, and decided that it was no longer in the balance of risk and reward was that it was too risky to continue with that vaccination program.

So let's look at these facts, and let's not be just beholden to the MHRA. And if this was a debate about the MHRA, Sir Roger, I would have massive material which I could bring before us for that.

But what I'd also say is this, that the government seems to be in denial about the risks of these vaccines. Only this morning the deputy chief medical officer for England was on the radio saying the boosters were, and I quote, perfectly safe and effective. But, Sir Roger, they are not perfectly safe and there's a question about whether they are effective, but that's for another debate. That they are not perfectly safe is now admitted by the government.

Indeed the UK Health Security Agency has issued a Guide to the Covid Autumn Booster and you, Sir Roger, may have seen a copy of this. It comes out with the request that you go and get another booster from your GP. Unfortunately the covering letter from the NHS makes no reference to any risks associated with the vaccine. But if one actually looks at this document, which is included within the envelope, it says A Guide to the Autumn Booster, and one goes down, it talks about serious side effects. [reading from the guide] "Cases of inflammation of the heart called myocarditis or pericarditis have been reported very rarely after both the Pfizer and the Moderna covid 19 vaccines. These cases have been seen mostly in younger men and within several days of vaccination. Most of the people have felt better and recovered quickly following rest and simple treatments." And then it says, "You should seek medical advice."

What is doesn't say is what happens to those people who do not recover? And that is what I'd would like to concentrate on in the remainder of my remarks.

Those people, if they are disabled to the extent of 60% or more may be eligible for payments under the vaccine damage payments scheme and they might get 120,000 pounds. But that scheme in itself is not fit for purpose because it talks about terms of disability which is not necessarily well-described in the context of an auto-immune condition such as those who are suffering from the consequences of covid 19 vaccine damage.

And what about all those people who are only 59% disabled? There's no financial help for them. And I think even more worrying for many, there's no specific medical help. The government refuses to provide specialist help for these vaccine victims. While it has set up long covid clinics, vaccine victims are being ignored. I've asked parliamentary questions about this and I haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer as to why there are no clinics for those victims of vaccine damage.

And as a result of the government's behavior victims are increasingly telling their loved ones and neighbors and friends about their circumstances, and as a result of that we are seeing a much lower rate of application to get booster vaccines. And a reason for that is because the government can't suppress information going around amongst ordinary people even though there is very little about this in the mainstream media. But many people now would not would not touch a booster with a barge pole and I include myself amongst those. I'm not anti-vax, I had my first two vaccines, but from all that I've seen and know about this I think that the increase in boosters is now for many people counter-productive and for some people it's also dangerous.

And so we need to take into account what is happening on the ground. People are becoming increasingly vaccine-hesitant. Large numbers of doctors and health professionals are now calling for a complete halt to the vaccination program because the risks outweigh the benefits—

MP: [?]

SIR CHRISTOPHER CHOPE: I give way to my right honorable friend.

MP: [?] Sir Roger, is there a fundamental difference between these kinds of vaccines and vaccination per se? Vaccination per se has saved saved hundreds of thousands, millions of lives here and elsewhere, but these vaccines are qualitatively different. Science matters, but that matters more.

SIR CHRISTOPHER CHOPE: Right. And of course as you will know, Sir Roger, I think in the United States, they changed the definition of vaccine. Because what we always used to understand as a vaccine is something where you had a small element of the thing about which against which you were being vaccinated put into your system so that your system could react against a small amount and then if you were exposed to a larger amount it would also react against. These vaccines do not use the raw material like old vaccines, therefore in many senses it's a misnomer to describe them as vaccines at all. But again this information is not really out there amongst the public any more than the fact that booster vaccines have not been tested on humans at all during the studies on them, I think that only on mice. So people are being used as victims for experimentation in this and that's why people are getting worried.

So I finish on this point that Oracle Films, their film "Safe and Effective: A Second Opinion" is available on YouTube and it sets out, and I make no apologies for the fact that I participate in that film, Sir Roger, and it sets out a different view about the safety of these vaccines. And I'm not saying we should ban all vaccines, covid-19 have a complete halt, but what I am saying is that there's an urgent need for the government to get to grips with this issue before more and more people are duped into having vaccines which they probably don't need, they're not going to do any good to them, and will present risks to their health.
50:10
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:

*Sir Christopher refers to the Covid-19 Inquiry chaired by Baroness Heather Hallett.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-announces-covid-19-inquiry-chair

** APPG stands for All-Party Parliamentary Group. According to the UK Parliament webpage:
https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/apg/
"All-Party Parliamentary Groups (APPGs) are informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament. They are run by and for Members of the Commons and Lords, though many choose to involve individuals and organisations from outside Parliament in their administration and activities."

***MHRA is the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/welcome-to-our-new-mhra-website

*I believe Sir Christopher misspoke, having intended to say the opposite, that the swine flu vaccine program was halted after far fewer adverse events than we have seen with the covid 19 injections.

You could start with this site:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-recover/

Someone upthread spoke of how wisdom is the taking of the emotional "charge" out of memories - or something of that nature...

I think that when diversity exists (hurray) potential faultlines also exist (boo!). And they can easily be made wider by driving wedges into them. In Northern Ireland, the wedges driven into small faultlines, which made them so much more "abyssal", were actual atrocities, each of which made the "other" side seem more frightening and alien, and "charged" the alienness with grief, sorrow, shock and awe. Even though the actual atrocities fell on relatively few individuals, each one amplified the "charge" in one of those positive feedback loops that you get in badly placed speakers. I often speculate that it would have been easy to start the feedback loop with a psy-op or two (there were plenty of "security" personnel busy about the place) to get things going, and then the runaway process would have developed a momentum of its own, as locals joined in.

To do the opposite, would be to somehow "remove the emotional charge" from a potential division or faultline. As you point out, this was actually done by generations before us, through the Civil Rights years, and right up to and including the passage of "marriage equality" provisions almost everywhere. The "charge" had been removed from previously highly charged differences, even though the differences themselves did not stop existing.

So, perhaps the task set before us (and I do seem many commenters struggling valiantly to accomplish this), is to "take the charge" out of existing faultlines as much as possible. And yet, those who have suffered atrocities, may simply be unready or unable to allow their real emotional experiences to be defused without some sense of a "balancing" of injustice. (And I also see many commenters struggling valiantly to express their sense of an imbalance, an injustice, needing to be rectified).

I think we cannot "wish away" the emotional charge that arises from harm and damage done to people. Their pain exists, and it cries out to be spoken, and to be heard.

Perhaps, though, we can decide to not be "amplifiers" in any positive feedback loop of suspicion and fear that will ultimately frustrate any possibility of future rebalancing or reconciliation.

Taking the charge out, can only be done one by one, by people who will risk "coming out" to those near them - "yes, I am the scary monster you've been told about - gay? atheist? unvaccinated? etc - but ALSO I am the son, daughter, sister, brother, friend, neighbour, that *you* already know and love. So, now that you know, do you still feel like you need to be scared of me?"

I have definitely seen such inquiries in the homeschooler groups I follow, so the mods let them through. Worth a try. And once you're in the group, odds are excellent that a dozen other people have already asked about pediatricians, dentists, etc. and all you have to do is search those posts and comb through the comments.

well, there is always Gettr, and Truth Social..

that is why they made those sites after all.

Er, that would have been Dr. Chris Whitty, according to our dedicated Transcriber. These limey accents...

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

ANOTHER DOCTOR SPEAKS OUT

https://t.me/covidvaccineadversereactions/14874
Clip posted Oct 16, 2022

TRANSCRIPT

DR KIMBERLY BISS: I'm Kimberly Biss I'm an OB-GYN that practices in St. Pete, Florida. I can definitely say since the vaccine rollout started we have seen in our practice a decrease in new OB numbers which would be infertility by about about 50%. We've also seen an increase in miscarriage rate by about 50%. And I would say there's probably about a 25% increase in abnormal pap smears as well as cervical malignancies in our area.
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Dr. Biss's website is
https://www.womenscareobgyn.com/providers/kimberly-biss-md

What you described is a not-uncommon psychological reaction.

*I* was made to (get a jab, wear a mask, pee in a cup, whatever) in order to get/keep my job, so it's NOT FAIR is you aren't ALSO made to suffer the way *I* was!!

A lot of people who SHOULD be opposed to mandates and other forms of government over-reach are going to support them, because it's more important to them that everyone else have to suffer the way they did than that the suffering stop.

I guess it's psychologically easier to want to impose the same rules/suffering on other people than it is to face the fact that you were some combination of abused, tricked, manipulated, or victimized, while other people escaped.

It might also be related to how well-controlled the diabetes is. People with well-managed blood sugar may do okay, but there are enough people with poorly-managed blood sugar (like the un-diagnosed diabetic kid in that article) that it might be a factor. One of my parents lived for decades with well-managed diabetes, but I've known people who died very young from diabetic complications.

If you examine the 1863 federal draft books for Pennsylvania, you'll see the federal marshalls noting that as many as 1/3 of the men were enlisted in the Confederate army, not the Union. So the geography wasn't as clean cut as I'd been led to believe.

Sheridan, again. In the car. On the chthonic forces underneath covid.

https://youtu.be/V6Y0popoz7U

It’s tough. I think about how I’d respond to a rando approaching me. “Ah, here comes the fed.” It’s frustrating that so many games have been played over the years that one has to think this way.

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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

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UK Man Sent To Prison For 6 Months For Serving Snacks At Club During Lockdown

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