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As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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And many of the patients left in covid isolation were not only neglected, but they developed bacterial pneumonia, for which they received no treatment!!

Covid aside-- if you take your average elderly pneumonia patient, abandon them alone in their bed with no antibiotics and no one checking to see that they are moving, never mind adequately hydrated or getting enough nutrition for several days... et voilà, big $$$ for a "covid" death for the hospital.

Remdevisir made it all the more remunerative.

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So true!!

This thought is alchemical! A twinge of annoyance transmuted to a blip of gratitude!

Thank you.

Well it turns out that the jabs are not all what they purport to be, so a lot of the jabbed may have simply received salt water, or something very close to it. Alexandria Latypova gave an interview to Dr McCullough on that subject the other day (and some other interviews as well).

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(Got ketchup?)

"get ready we must pitch back life"

Yes!

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"Kamala Harris, a transsexual or someone who is openly sexually promiscuous become president".

Oh boy, that would be a comedian's dream, assuming comedy would still be permitted. Is there no limit to the crazy?

Can Dementia Joe pass the scepter onto his son, monarchy-style? Hunter would rock the White House (what an appropriately named place for Hunter) and he's promiscuous enough. Party time!!!

Has the jab changed people energetically/spiritually is something I keep asking myself.

Generally I can pick someone who isn't jabbed. I'm not sure if it's an energetic sensing, or something about their attitude and the way they talk.

What I do notice is that the jabbed are constrained in how they think. They seem locked into a limited worldview, unable to consider possibilities outside of a narrow range. Trying to discuss things outside of that leads to blocking, blank looks and anger if you push it.

Has it turned them into zombies (scene cuts to an episode of The Walking Dead)? No, any effect is subtle so far, apart from say sudden death, but death is preferable to being a zombie isn't it?

Does the jab have elements of the mark of the beast? You mean do they want to have a bar code and DNA record for all of us? That would only be so Amazon could drone over your meds, nothing sinister surely?

Ahhh the old lay off the expensive American worker and hire a foreigner to do the same work for 1/10 the price.

It's been pretty bad here in Japan. It's as if I have a little sphere of light around my altar, but darkness reigns elsewhere.
I attended a meeting of my religious group last Saturday. We are losing people. A lot of them are older and we would be declining anyway, but I think not at such a rapid pace. I think many of our members were harmed by the vaxxes. The leader of our sect had very little spiritual to say this time, which is unlike him. He spoke of the need to prepare to demolish our main meeting house to avoid putting that burden of the joint owners of the property, who are no longer able to attend. Really depressing. I am rallying with the leader and one other motivated younger intellectual member to at least leave a legacy for when people come around and realize they need it.
Religions have come under fire everywhere except perhaps Russia (from what I can tell). They were blamed early on for spreading COVID. In Japan, most religious groups I know stopped holding public ceremonies, and some (including ours) even discouraged their members from coming together and performing them privately, for fear of incurring suspicions and fatal levels of criticism. None have resumed public ceremonies.
The Kompira Shrine has stopped holding training courses for its followers these past three years. This year they tried to organize an on-line course, but it appears to me that they are suffering financially enough (much revenue from tourism) that they've had to let go of priests, and those who remain just don't have the time to organize very much.
Meanwhile, the digitalization of Japan seems to be the only thing going forward. The tide is withdrawing even further from spirituality, and I will be driven further from society than I am already, but my little circle of light will not go out.

I’m in Hawaii and the same thing is going on here as well. The establishment worked so hard to tweak the election system in order to maintain their grip on power, and now that they’ve “won” it’s truly strange watching them all celebrate what will inevitably be their own downfall.

Thank you for this link.
QR codes are something you have to have a so-called "smartphone" in order to use. So I guess those of us in Japan without smartphones can go weewee out back of the store?
Arthur Firstenberg has just set up a pledge for people not wanting to take part in this outrage: https://cellphonetaskforce.org/no-cell-phone-campaign-launched-worldwide/ I recommend it as a place to start, but you might have other good ideas for resisting this.

Transcriber here. Well, Governor Hochul won the election for NY State. Keep your seatbelts on. This quarantine camps case needs eyes on it. Seems Hochul would have been A-OK with Shanghai. I've translated the relevant approximately 8 minute-long excerpt from Steve Kirsch's Episode #54 "Beating Covid in the Courts" a roundtable interview with various attorneys on various medical freedom / civil rights cases. I warmly recommend watching or listening to the whole thing.

Q & A WITH BOBBIE ANNE ANN, THE NY ATTORNEY WHO STRUCK DOWN GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S QUARANTINE CAMPS REGULATION

From: Episode #54 Beating Covid in the Courts
https://rumble.com/v1re2si-full-episode-54-beating-covid-in-the-courts.html
Nov 4, 2022

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BOBBIE ANNE COX: My case is the entire state of New York, and it's, um, I struck down the quarantine camp regulation that [Governor] Kathy Hochul, her Department of Heath had issued where they could force New Yorkers to either lockdown in their homes or remove them from their homes and lock them up in facilities. I mean, quarantine detention centers, quarantine camps, whatever noun you want to use.

STEVE KIRSCH: At their sole discretion and decision.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yes.

STEVE KIRSCH: Of course.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: For however long they wanted, that there was no restriction in that regulation, so they could have literally locked New Yorkers up or locked them down for days, weeks, months.

STEVE KIRSCH: Years?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yeah. There was no restriction whatsoever.

STEVE KIRSCH: And the rationale could be pretty much anything, right? They could just do it to misinformation spreaders like myself. So if I lived in New York they could haul me away to a quarantine camp. Would they be able to cut off my Internet, too?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Absolutely. So the regulation was very, it gave them unbelievable, unfettered power. And it said that the Department of Health could tell you what you could and couldn't do
while you were in quarantine, which means, yeah, they could have
taken your cell phone, they could have cut off your Internet access, they could have told you what you could eat or couldn't eat or what medications you could take or couldn't take or had to take. It was very broad power that they gave themselves. And there was no age restriction. So they could have taken you, but they also could have taken your child or your grandchild or your elderly parent. And there was no way to get out of quarantine once they put you in. So I mean, what I mean by that is, you know, we were having oral arguments in front of the judge, and the judge asked the Attorney General's Office, listen, let's say you take a family and you put them into a quarantine facility or a hospital, you know, how do they get out? And the Assistant Attorney General just, you know, said, well, I guess they could hire a lawyer and sue. You know, I mean—

STEVE KIRSCH: Might take four or five years, maybe.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: I mean, no due process.

STEVE KIRSCH: Cost a few million dollars, maybe.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yep. Absolutely.

STEVE KIRSCH: At least they could get out.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs]

STEVE KIRSCH: Assuming that they win.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Assuming they win their case, right. Right. So it was horrific, I mean, it was complete, you know, authoritarian rule that you know Kathy Hochul and her Department of Health, they literally gave themselves the power. They went around the legislature, this did not go through the New York State Senate or the New York State Assembly. In fact there was a bill that was proposed in the Assembly here in New York for like seven years which was very similar to the regulation, it was a very scary proposed law. But it had no support whatsoever. It literally had not one other New York State Assembly member or New York State Senator that would back it, so the bill went nowhere. Eventually, Nick Perry the assemblyman from New York City who had proposed that bill, eventually he withdrew it. It had zero support.

So what did the Governor do? They changed the language a little bit, they pushed it through the Department of Health, and they made it a regulation. So it was completely unconstitutional. The governor and the Department of Health do not have the power to make law. That is a power that is reserved for the legislature. That's very clear separation of powers in both the United States Constitution, also in the New York State Constitution. Very clear, separation of powers means we have three branches of government, each one stands on its own, they're supposed to be co-equal, and one branch can't go and take the power from the others because then that's tyranny. I mean, that's, you know, the people are the ones who suffer when there is tyranny. So all three branches have to stay in their own lane. But here, I mean, the governor and the Department of Health and the executive branch, supposed to be enforcing the laws that made by the legislature,
here they made a law, you know, which they had no authority to do.

So thankfully the judge, New York State Supreme Court Judge Ron Ploetz
he struck it down, he said it's unconstitutional, the governor doesn't have the power, the Department of Health doesn't have the power.
And he said it's null, it's void, it cannot be enforced. But you know, Kathy Hochul filed a notice of appeal. They want to get the power back. You know, they haven't moved forward with the appeal
probably because it's election day coming up next week and they just don't want New York voters to know they want to get this
horrific power back, which is completely unconstitutional, and use tax dollars to fight the appeal. So they haven't actually moved forward with the appeal yet. But you know, we'll see what the election holds next week because if Leticia James, she's running for Attorney General, she wants another four years, if she wins or if Kathy Hochul wins and she's our governor for another four years,
you know I'm sure they're going to push forward with this appeal
and try and get the power back, ry and overturn the judge's decision, so they can have forced isolation and quarantine facilities in New York State. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's so anti-American.

STEVE KIRSCH: But what happens in the meantime? Are they allowed to do this, like, in the meantime, or, is, did the judge state
regulation. Which way is it going?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right, so the judge struck down the regulation. So it no longer exists, it is not enforceable.

STEVE KIRSCH: But before he did that, what was the, what would happen if, like, could they have put you in these quarantine camps?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Oh, for sure. For sure. The regulation had no requirement that they prove that you were sick.

STEVE KIRSCH: Wouldn't it be great if we controlled the governor's office in New York and then we invited Anthony Fauci to give a talk, and then we said, eh, we're going to quarantine you. Forever.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs] Well, that's what the regulation let them do, right? The regulation—

STEVE KIRSCH: This could be used the other way. I mean, if, if, assuming it was constitutional. Look, even the New York legislature
shouldn't have the power to take a citizen and put them in quarantine for an undetermined amount of time. That seems like that would be unconstitutional no mater how you look at it. That no state legislature, Congress can't do it, nobody can do that. Is that right? Unless you rewrote, amended the constitution, essentially. Is that correct?

BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right. So you know we do have a law in New York State, as many states do, which does allow the government to isolate somebody if they are a public health threat. However, that law, which we've had for 70 years here in New York, that law does have a number of due process protections built into it, so that the government can't abuse its power, right? So the number one thing that that law says is you have to prove the person actually has the communicable disease that you think they have. You can't just suspect, well, maybe you were exposed, maybe you weren't, I don't know, but I'm going to issue you an isolation or quarantine order. No. The law is very clear. Step one, the person has to actually be sick. And that law has many other due process protections built in. But another main one there is that it's not that the judge finds that you are harboring a disease, the judge has to find that you are being a nuisance and you are not acting in a manner to protect other people from getting your disease. Right? So they have to have an investigation, according to the law, they have to have an investigation, you have a right to an attorney, there has to be a hearing before a judge, the judge has to issue the decision.

In this regulation, you know, Hochul comes along with her Department of Health and says, well, forget that, we're not going to do that, we don't need to have due process, we're going to pick and choose which New Yorkers we want to lock up or lockdown for as long as we want and we don't have to prove anything. We don't have to prove they're sick, we don't have to prove they were exposed, you know, we're just going to put— and we'll let you know when you can get out.

It was so anti-American, so unconstitutional. The judge struck it down. he said it's null and void.
He barred them from enforcing them from enforcing it. So today, as of July 8, 2022, New Yorkers cannot be thrown in detention centers, whatever you want to call them by the Department of Health. They cannot, they no longer have that power. It's shameful that they want to appeal it. It really is shameful. And use tax dollars to do so. You know, clear breach of separation of powers. And clear that they want to completely get rid of our constitution and rewrite it so that they can do whatever they want whenever they to the citizens of New York.

The problem is that if this happens in New York, let's say Hochul wins on Tuesday, election, let's say Leticia James wins, now she's our Attorney General again, Hochul's our governor again
and they move forward with the appeal, let's say it's overturned. If we have quarantine facilities in New York State as a new way to contain communicable diseases, that's going to spread across the country like wildfire. Every state's going to turn and say, wait a minute, if New York's allowed to force their citizens into quarantine
with no proof and no due process, why don't we do that? Oh, of course we can do it, let's do it! Right? So it spreads, you know, the insanity will then spread across the country and then what do we have? Then we have the United States of America having forced isolation and quarantine facilities. I mean, it's just, it's absurd. It cannot stand. It just. [shakes head]

STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, there's certainly been a lot of absurd things that have happened in this pandemic that I believe cannot stand. They've been standing for a lot longer than I ever expected. And the more I learn about what's going on and there are all sorts of atrocities that existed for decades and well-known and they're still being pulled off, you know, not to the extent of quarantining people without their consent, but, yeah.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: But I mean it's, you destroy lives, right? You see what the lockdowns did to people. You know. Imagine the government, unelected bureaucrats in the Health Department being allowed to tell people, you can't see your child, you can't go to work, you have to be locked up in this facility until we tell you that you can get out. There was no way to negotiate your way out. You couldn't say, wait a second, hang on a second, I don't have tuberculosis. I'll take a test. You know, I'll prove to you I don't have tuberculosis, or monkey ox. There was a whole long list of diseases that would fall under this regulation. It wasn't just covid 19. You know, tuberculosis, polio, money pox, toxic shock syndrome, I'm not exactly sure how that's communicable. But, you know, Lyme disease. They were really putting anything they wanted on this list and—

STEVE KIRSCH: Quarantining for Lyme disease! Wow.

BOBBIE ANNE COX: That was on the list.

STEVE KIRSCH: Wow.
42:45
[END OF EXCERPT]

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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:

See also "Court Strikes Down 'Quarantine Camp' Regulation in New York by Bobbie Anne Cox, Brownstone Institute, August 25, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/court-strikes-down-quarantine-camp-regulation-in-new-york-state/

Bobbie Anne Cox blogs at
https://attorneycox.substack.com

Tonight at a concert one of my friends who just got their 5th jab today started joking that the haze from the fog machine was airborne covid. He mentioned a new spike in cases, and I came home to read some mainstream news. The western world is being encouraged to mask up again.

Up to this point I was just trying my best to not upset the mental patients, but I don’t think I can be polite about this any more.

I was thrilled to See Ol' Thomas sitting there in his car and getting ready to unwind a good one.
Thank you. Will listen to it a bit later.

Well, inspired by your comments, I watched the Sheridan clip.

Blaming the fizzing red wave on the transmogrification of the vaxxed into a new species made me chuckle, although I'm not convinced that the vax has made the vaxxed into a different species either. Sure, they may have taken on some new thinking/behaviours, but I tend to agree with you in that the events of the last few years have probably more revealed people for who they are, instead of changing what they really are.

On a personal level, I accept that whatever the cause, there's just something about my makeup that makes me fundamentally different to almost everyone else in my hometown. I mean, at one stage the local health authorities were claiming a 104% vax rate, whereas I have declined to accept even one injection! More seriously, despite the odd figures from time to time, the authorities have almost certainly injected almost everyone who was eligible for the sacrament in my town, and they all went along with the whole shebang.

These events have led me to the crazy realization that almost everyone in my town is genuinely incapable of grokking the way I think and behave. And that's not new - it's always been that way. It's just that it's taken these events to make me accept it. The vaccines haven't changed them - they were always like that, and in all likelihood, they always will be like that. If Sheridan isn't right about our differences being due to the vax, then perhaps the Gnostics were onto something after all :P

Whatever the case, it's liberating. I can stop worrying so much now about this or that difference. What'd be the point? Which brings me around to agreeing with Sheridan that there's no point in being Nationalistic when one has bugger all in common with their countrymen, and I respect that he feels connected to his international tribe.

I'd be interested to hear more about these Gnostic beliefs you've raised, and the views of the elders of Mount Athos. With respect to the latter, I googled "Mount Athos elders vaccine" and the first headlines/hits were about how "Greece's Mount Athos elders trust God and science to protect them from COVID" - ha, ha, methinks the search engine doth protest too much :) I think I'll have to put in a bit more effort to find their views on the vax and its relationship to the "Mark of the Beast".

Anyway, thanks all for a couple of interesting posts/links.

The Ninth Mouse

another video from Dr Campbell letting members of parliament speaking in a committee do the talking so as to bypass youtube censorship,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFYq0xEAjQ

it's encouraging to see this stuff being challenged at governmental level,
now parliamentarians are openly discussing stuff that would have got a private citizen ostracised a year ago.

The lump is the place where the rupture occurred. The tissue has moved around the rupture or something like that.

I would ask for good energy to be sent his way. He is a teenager and devastated by the appearance of this non-harmful lump. The doctor yesterday called it a deformity, which didn't help matters.

We are going to the PT today to see if that can help.

This is a second rupture in two years. He is tight and stressed and when he plays tennis and it is hard on his muscles. He does meditate and try to keep calm, but I feel like we are missing something here.

Lessee... as an omen, he's the guy who represents nonpartisan fairness in the procedures?

I know the red tribe is more popular here, but the gubernatorial candidate you apparently favored against the "slime ball" [why?] Democrat was a genuine extremist, not just favoring overturning elections - which turned out not to sell well in swing states - but self-identified as a Christian nationalist. How would a leader coming in with a focus on Christian nationalism ameliorate layoffs, heating oil shortages, influenza, or kids doing poorly in school? I would fear that, lacking the willingness or power to affect such real-world difficulties, he would seek to distract from them by persecuting non-Christian or presumptively liberal scapegoat groups.

Consider your rhetoric. "These people, destroying themselves or this country is what they want to do." No doubt you'd say it's terrible when some of them demonize your group, but when you demonize them, it's just appropriate because they really are evil, those crazy peacocking expletives?

And please don't sneer at the desire to defend democracy. Many independents like me would be happy to vote for some Republicans but not if we think it's the last meaningful vote we'll get to cast. Specifically: if Trump's on the ballot in 2024 and our state votes against him, we don't want our electoral votes just taken by the state's rulers and handed to him anyway, as Mastriano evidently would support. Showing contempt for that position implies that opposition to Trump is illegitimate per se.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

I'm going to ask that this particular conversation stop here. It's gotten way off topic, and it's a subject about which (obviously) people feel very strongly -- thus, things being as they are, likely to turn into a screaming match.

This is a forum for discussion of Covid, not a general political forum. Please act accordingly.

Scotlyn, thanks for the edit. That's a workable way to flag a comment that ended up rescreened, and until Dreamwidth fixes its software, something like that's helpful.

...and a lot of us regard him as a sort of stress fracture, where the Western church started sliding off the other direction :/

Orthodoxy: Understanding comes through praxis. Just do it ;)

I'm not willing to say, at this point, that the shots are stunting people spiritually.

But I do think that for many people, the act of going along with something that you don't feel is completely right, that maybe you have some instinctive reservations about... that act, in and of itself, is spiritually stunting. You've accepted a leash and muzzle, in exchange for... your job, money, certain privileges you're used to.

That sort of stunting is reversible. But it's difficult.

I think maybe what we're seeing is a very large number of people who recently-- despite some misgivings-- bowed to the leash and muzzle. Getting out is going to cost them, but it's still possible. Maybe we can help.

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