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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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His last tweet - just before his death- was to Kanye West and said Kanye we need to talk. I’m sure it is coincidence but given the recent stuff with Kanye it will definitely give the more conspiratorial minded something to chew on.

FWIW, I don't really think it's just greed and incompetence either. But if it were, it'd be a simpler problem to deal with.

I don't pretend to know what is going on *in addition* to greed and incompetence (which are certainly in play). Lots of possibilities, probably multiple players. None of them good.

"at least you'll be doing it somewhat more slowly."

...unless it's wild mushrooms you're experimenting with ;)

I'm not sure "don't need more money" has ever been a significant motivator for the wealthy.

I have followed IM DOC's postings on nakedcap even before someone started collating it here. We are not doing revisionism, as IM DOC himself noted that the shots weren't really effective anymore by Jul '21. That was still in the peak of Delta. And since the US was jabbed before UK/Iceland/Denmark, we later had figures coming out from there showing the same negative efficacy. All that happened within the first 6 months of people getting their shots - for sure.

I've had the same conversations with healthcare-related workers / friends here.. and they were adamant that the shots were useful in preventing hospitalization, as it was mainly the unvexed in the hospitals. (1) I pointed out that on top of the statistical 'quirks' used for defining unvexed, even in SG. (2) If you were not jabbed, they had a policy of pulling such folks who tested positive into the hospitals and they would be stuck there for a week or two - whether they really needed to be hospitalized or not. Again, political points trumped rational treatment protocols. (3) When presenting ICU figures, it was always a very selective moment in time, and I had indications that folks were moved from ICU to high-dependancy wards easily, so show that only a certain undesireable category was in ICU - as that was the only number being reported. So just 3 quick examples that the same playbook used elsewhere around the world, was also being employed in Singapore. I was following the media coverage worldwide way before then, and the exact same templates was also being used in the press releases. They were so lazy, they simply used the pony-paste derogatory term even in countries which didn't rear horses and folks would have no frame of reference. It was so obvious that orders were passed down, and the facade of autonomy was shorn off real quick.

That is why I lost all trust in the official medical system here, that so many folks within could be so easily conned into ignoring their own lying eyes. Oh, the same situation occurred when folks started to get nasty side effects and got gaslighted by doctors who refused to categorized it as such - again under orders from MOH, just like everywhere else. I saw the official memos as I have enough doctor friends who passed them on to me to show that their hands were tied - (aka paying their mortgages mattered more than their conscience). We have seen that exact same playbook in pretty much all the highly vexed countries.. again and again. The extra kicker was that the govt started giving all clinics an extra $10K a month.. .for being such 'heros' in the fight against covid. That's when the clinics started to be bulging with folks being increasingly ill with all sorts of ailments from a weakened immune system , on top of the cumulative side effects from taking the carrot. That's an obvious bribe to keep their mouths shut to keep the gravy train going. So in 2 years, my friend who runs a 2 man clinic, collected an additional $240K to split between them.

"It's strange this slow moving fiasco and people getting their sanity back one by one like Ben Shapiro this week."

Charles Mackay 1812–89
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

What we are seeing is entirely normal. The question that remains is was it a simple case of mass hysteria, or was it a cynical trial run to see how much totalitarianism the public would accept? And this determination is confused by the mass media being financially rewarded for spreading panic.

I live outside the range of broadcast TV, and outside of the reach of cable as well. It's satellite or nothing, and I've chosen nothing. I seem to be less panicked than my TV watching friends.

Her behavior is certainly ugly, but saying nasty things about people isn't coercion.

Saying it is cheapens all the stuff that happened over the last two years that really WAS coercion, including but not limited to:

--denying people employment based on vax status.
--firing people for not submitting to unnecessary medical testing.
--preventing people from traveling
--fining or arresting people for being out of their homes for "unauthorized" purposes
--denying people access to education based on vax status
--denying people the right to gather peacefully, hold funerals, and attend religious services.
--Forcing people to wear masks in order to access basic, necessary services.

He was apparently offered a ton of money to frame Michael Jackson

Suicide, to me, always seemed like the desire to *live*: the one contemplating it feels Already Dead (great novel by Denis Johnson): the solution to that is not death but life. Please keep that in mind, Erika, if you find yourself in that place again. I'd miss you.

I think less of a parallel society, and more in terms of an interstitial one: if you can provide a needed or desired service or function, room will be made for you, by some if not by all. By enough, at any rate.

Forgiveness as turning the other cheek, or as turning the back? I, like you, prefer the latter. "You do you, and leave me alone."

These are tough and scary times, and I worry that this forum comprises the only people I know who are not on board the narrative train. Erika, I think this is your concern, too, and the interstitial society is certainly going to be easier if you're not going it alone (as I currently am). No solutions here, just some thoughts.

JimmyD

I don't know how you can see it that way. Dr. Campbell isn't in any kind of denial. He is giving us a master class on how to convey information despite censorship. If he suggests a causal relationship, he could be deplatformed - so HE'S not saying that, he's just showing official documents and videos from an official government hearing, and a website toeing the government line won't throw him off for showing those things. Like subjects of an authoritarian regime, he knows how to convey ideas carefully or indirectly, so as not to personally utter punishable words, or to share his opinions nonverbally with deliberate gestures and expressions (as in the earlier video on infant mortality with the long silent stare).

Note his product placement in the video: plastic bottles with large handwritten "Vit K2" and "Vit D" labels on the windowsill. Those are ugly; why not put them away before filming? Perhaps they're relevant to the topic somehow - relevant in some way that he thinks the censors would not like him to explain? Viewers accustomed to censorship regimes will quickly pick up on the oddity and, as JMG might say, treat it as a topic for meditation....

You suggest he go to Rumble, but that site is known for being alt-right and hosting a variety of misinformation. If that were his platform a lot of people would assume he was just another screaming extremist and never watch his videos. The fact that he's on YouTube addressing the general public, and doing so in a calm, careful, rational way, makes him far more believable. He doesn't wail about a new fear or rumor every week. He's all about facts and data. Here are the figures: what the government says has actually happened, about which anyone can speak. What could have caused them? He can't say. Which means, of course, that he just DID say. And he's not only telling us that he thinks there's a problem, but that he thinks he'd be silenced if he said so, which means there's another very severe problem at hand. The guy is brilliant.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

I came across a recent article by David Bell (public health physician and biotech consultant) for Brownstone Institute that looks at the phenomenon of the Really Big Lie (i.e., a lie that is so divorced from reality that the listener will assume their own perception must be flawed rather than the claims of the person speaking to them) in the context of what’s been going on since early 2020 regarding a particular health ‘crisis’. See: https://brownstone.org/articles/global-health-and-the-art-of-really-big-lies/

Not only does he describe the current manifestation of the phenomenon but the long-term damage that it will do.

One of my favourite excerpts: “Standing on 2019 principles and practice, refuting the falsehoods [previously listed] has been sufficient for health practitioners to be denigrated and forced out of employment in many Western countries. This is the clear mark of fascism and is making the international public health field a specific threat to the health and welfare of others.”

Though it covers a lot of ground that is familiar to yours truly and many members of this group, I found the writing style to be refreshing and so felt inspired to sharing it.

Ron M

“A memory without energy is wisdom.”

Wow. That just sent a chill down my spine, and made me realize how much work I still have left to do.

when i first read the ida auken article/story "welcome to 2030: i own nothing, have no privacy and life has never been better," i was duly appalled. (ida is a wef young global leader like the rest of the current batch of villains)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=274b40e91735

i don't know where to even start about how unworkable this would be, unless somebody has secretly come up with some sort of green energy that can power a functional grid and replace all workers with robots. it's the "friends" economy writ large: nobody needs to work, we get to live in the big city and have interesting lives.

it's one of the dumbest ideas i've ever encountered. this is what the schwabian geniuses at the wef have planned for our star trek future.

not to mention that even though she owns nothing, she does mention riding "my bike." does she own nothing or not? can the wef not afford an editor?

however, there was a kernel of hope buried within:

"my biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. those we lost on the way. those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and ai took over big parts of our jobs. those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. they live different kind of lives outside of the city. some have formed little self-supplying communities. others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages."

so maybe they don't plan to kill the dissenters after all. we just need to stay on the fringe and make our own way, avoiding the killbots that patrol gates' farmland that feeds the urban utopia, and we can scrabble some way to survive. there is a potential parallel economy.

somebody a while back said people that want to be free of "the system" tend to pick marginally productive, or inefficient under the current paradigm, lands to live in. with effort, these areas can provide for both sustenance and defense. think someplace like afghanistan. they outlasted the empire, albeit at great cost to both sides.

dunbar's number might be something to think about, a bunch of small communities that allow people to vote with their feet might support a web of sustainable communities. put them 400 miles from the cities and the electric cars will run out of juice, hence little interaction with the cult of progress.

my 2 cents on how to deal with the mess we find ourselves in.

OP here. What I find fascinating about it is that it seems like the general public is facing a demonic influence, the core of True Covidians seems to be cursed by a god. I have no idea what to make of it, but it does seem to fit the facts better than either hypothesis on its own. Hmm....

Anyone who realizes that they have enough money usually ends up walking away from the entire game and doing something else with their lives. Usually, of course, this ends up meaning they don't stay wealthy for very long, since the competition for wealth and power is usually pretty intense at the higher echelons. They may stay rich by normal standards, but the category of "extremely wealthy" is actually very easy to fall out of.

as far as i'm concerned, "covid" has been over for a while. we are into the "jim covid" era of people hating each other due to tptb and their divide and conquer plan.

i did my hike today, and read the poem. tracks in space. an excerpt:

"with john brown at harper's ferry, negroes died.
john brown was hung.
before the civil war, days were dark,
and nobody knew for sure
when freedom would triumph
'or if it would,' thought some.
but others knew it had to triumph.
in those dark days of slavery,
guarding in their hearts the seed of freedom,
the slaves made up a song.

keep your hand on the plow! hold on!"

i tried to focus on the dissipation of anger that murmuration suggested. it was difficult, as the trail was swarmed by people. i saw more people today than all the other tracks in space hikes combined. a cub scout pack and the attendant adults, dozens of others.

it was after all the first of my tracks in space hikes that set off at less than 93 degrees. so yeah, i understand the proliferation of people out enjoying nature.

once i got to the top of the hill, where i usually read the poem, there were too many people distracting me from the dissipation of anger, and the privacy to look out over nature and read the poem out loud without distraction.

so i climbed down the hill away from the trail, found a spot to sit and read the poem out loud.

when i turned around, and started to climb back to the trail, i saw a painted rock. i forget the person's name but pretty sure they died in november of 2011. the rock said "i will love you forever."

on the walk back to my car i made sure to say good morning to everyone. most of them responded. maybe it's a start?

Edited (spelling) 2022-11-07 04:01 (UTC)

I see you know juju.

Murmuration

The way I see it, now is the opportunity to power up and hone one's imagination. People who lack imagination fall into the "doom and gloom," the "I can't do this or that," everything is impossible, and so on. Things can be terrible indeed, but when you have your imagination, you have the world.

This may also be your signal to find some new friends-- those who are not so unimaginative and spiritually lazy.

What kind of friends do you want to have as you go through life?

I am not minimizing how difficult things can be, I get that-- and all the more reason to buck up and use your powers.

Whether nursing school would be your best path for learning how to care for people I could not say, but I do recognize that there is something extremely perverse and dangerous going on the mainstream medicine right now.

As you requested, I will pray for you, and may you be blessed.

Thank you for your intentions to care for people. I have been in the hospital many times and I always, always appreciated the nurses who were kind and helped me.

Grumbling Grumbledore

Transcriber here.

Well said!

I'm not a big fan, I've only watched a couple of his videos, but one I went so far as to transcribe because his silence, as he stared at the camera, was simply brilliant.

I think I posted this previously on this forum, but don't have the link handy, so here it is again:

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EXCESS BABY DEATH INVESTIGATION

TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: On his popular YouTube channel Dr. John Campbell discusses and educates on matters related to covid. Since the Pfizer document dump https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents starting in 2021 [ https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents ] he has become increasingly alarmed and critical of government policy in regards to covid jabs, however he has always been extremely careful to avoid triggering YouTube's censorship. He uses the word "jag" instead of jab, for example, and in one crucial instance, he simply says nothing while staring pointedly into the camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=wj4rE0LrpR0&t=626s
Posted October 20, 2022

TRANSCRIPT OF BRIEF EXCERPT

5:09
DR. JOHN CAMPBELL: [quoting newspaper] "Covid Scotland"-- This is another well-known Scottish NEWSPAPER, The Herald, reporting-- [quoting newspaper] "Covid Scotland: Vaccines ruled out in neonatal deaths spike" according to this report from the Herald.

[quoting newspaper] "Public health experts ruled out any link between spikes in neonatal deaths and the Covid vaccine".

But the Herald does note, this was [quoting newspaper] "without checking whether any of the infants' mothers had received the jag during pregnancy."

[quoting newspaper] "Experts stressed, no 'plausible' link to justify investigation of maternal vaccination status."

So they're saying there's no need to investigate the mums' vaccine status in these babies that have tragically died in the neonatal period. This is not necessary.

[quoting newspaper] "Public Health Scotland said its consultants had given 'careful consideration' to the 'potential benefits and harms' of carrying out such an analysis as part of its probe into the tragic deaths of 39 infants.'"

But concluded against doing so.

Public Health Scotland added— this is, so the Herald's got this from different bits and bobs from the Freedom of Information requests and other statements. They put it together.

[quoting newspaper] "A risk that 'identifying the vaccination status of the mother, even at aggregate level"

So in other words, that's not individuals [?] numbers, even that

[quoting newspaper] "would result harm to those individuals and others close to them"

Which of course we wouldn't want.

[quoting newspaper] "through actual or perceived judgement of the effects of their personal vaccination decision"

[quoting newspaper] "the outcome of such analysis, whilst being
uninformative for public health decision making, had the potential to be used to harm vaccine confidence at this critical time."

So information regarding this would be uninformative for public health decision making.

So NHS [National Health Service], this is a Freedom of Information response from Public Health Scotland, [quoting document, quoted in newspaper] "We do not have any plans to examine maternal vaccination status, as there is no public health reason to do so."

7:25
[Dr. Campbell turns and faces the camera directly and stares, in grim silence.]

7:26 [silence]
7:27 " "
7:28 " "
7:29 " "
7:30 " "
7:31 " "
7:32 " "

7:33 So it's reassuring to know, isn't it, that Public Health Scotland can be so confident in the safety of the vaccines.
7:41
[END OF EXCERPT]

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Everything is better with Q!

No, the math is clearly not that simple. But orders of magnitude are worth pondering. Are these numbers in the ballpark? Also, if 3 million kids die each and every year, do those qualify as excess? Or are they accounted for as standard yearly deaths? Being that the ~20 million current deaths in the covid era are excess, and could be anything from suicides of despair to malnutrition to covid to vaccines, but surely are policy adjacent deaths, my inclination isn’t to be a stickler and say “these are vaccine related and these are not” but to be way more inclusive and holistic and say “did these idiots cause conditions leading to 20 million excess deaths for any reason?” If the answer is yes, that’s good enough for my case brought before Q.

Murmuration

YES!! I've advocated for this idea for some time.

Break up the large countries like the US and Canada to prevent the concentration of power and to decentralize economic development. And then break off the core urban areas from their surrounding hinterlands to further limit the power of the (largely leftist - regardless of their declared political affiliation) urban elites.

This way, everyone gets something of what (they think) they want. It won't make for happiness because that state seems to elude the vast majority of humanity. However, it might result in a cold peace and I think most of us could live with that.

Liam in Toronto

My hunch is that there are levels of power above wealth alone. At some point money is no longer the token that power is derived from. Even Elon Musk, who is putatively the worlds richest human, has at times cryptically mentioned power structures he’s come up against that are larger than him. The way he’s framed it, they seem to spook him. And by all accounts, if wealth was the final measure of power, he should not be coming up against anything.

Exactly, Murmuration!

I don't understand why so many people seem to attribute all that's happened (and still happening) to mere greed. That may explain the actions of the lowest-level players. However, as you correctly point out, the main perpetrators and their erstwhile subalterns are the very people who control both the printing press AND the distribution of money and favors in our societies. They have exactly ZERO incentive to go the extremes they have (given the risks involved) simply for money.

There has to be some other, more pressing imperative. Find the answer to this question and you'll have answers to the many other questions that still surround this event.

Liam in Toronto

Upon reflection, I think you're right. Campbell's videos have changed recently; he's been red-pilled.

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