Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

Comments

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Rough numbers look like around 20 million dead for the historical Nazi comparison (concentration camps, soviets, etc). The chart in this substack caught my attention:

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/death-tsunami-they-found-a-way-to

If you assume the 6 million dead from covid this "Our World in Data" chart shows (which I don't, these numbers are absurdly rigged. But let's be generous), and track up to the lower bound of "excess dead" at something like 17 million, we reach 11 million non-covid excess dead. If we use the upper bound of something like 27 million, then we are at 21 million non-covid excess dead, surpassing the WW2 numbers already, and my sense is we are just getting started.

Murmuration

Re: Pandemic, Bovid, Lock Down and Peak Oil Science and the next begging for amnesty

[(Anonymous)]

The anti-FF rhetoric, legislation and refusal to support investment by banks isn't helping either.

Green energy metrics are just hopeless when you dig in.

Do all civilisations in decline start doing things that look like deliberate suicide?

[(Anonymous)]

No, sorry. Threats of legal repercussions such as fines, threats of job loss or expulsion from school, and physical threats such as armed menacing of targets constitute coercion. Namecalling or insulting the types of people who don't do what you want is not coercion. In our society, there are people on the internet who will vituperatively abuse you for *anything whatsoever*, often including every possible choice one might make in a given situation, so adults who cannot stop themselves from doing whatever any random stranger announces they should do have got to stay off the internet.

-Translucent Jejune Octopus

Re: Another update from one nursing student

[(Anonymous)]

May you be well!

Re: Pandemic, Bovid, Lock Down and Peak Oil Science and the next begging for amnesty

[ecosophia]

Yes. Arnold Toynbee starts off A Study of History by surveying all the claims that civilizations fall due to events beyond their control, and ends up concluding that every civilization should have "suicide" written in for its cause of death.

[ecosophia]

I don't know of an example. Usually, if the gods decide to give demons free reign, they just step back and watch the carnage.

[(Anonymous)]

That is always a possibility. Nothing worse than fumbling the ball on the one-yard line!

Maybe I am old school -- or have read too many epics -- but I would only feel comfortable in declaring victory if the enemy is dead, decapitated and the head thrown in one direction and the body in another.

Ron M

Re: Another update from one nursing student

[fringewood]

I was recently in the hospital and it was caregivers like you who helped me to heal. Stick to your true beliefs. May your spirit be whole, full and healed.

[(Anonymous)]

Good advice and thank you. It's why this is 'the' only place I ponder and occasionally express these things. The fight, if it comes, will be strictly on health grounds but in my heart of hearts, well, you know...

Re: Tracks in Space, Alone Together

[(Anonymous)]

I did Tracks in Space today and how strange that anger was a theme of mine today.

I sat by the shores of Lake Ontario, read Freedom's Plow and wondered, 'Is this possible?" Is this tree possible?'

I couldn't find the Appleseed poem though I saw it once before (here).

Sat in the same place I sat before or close, on some busted-up concrete, stood up and realized how cold it had gotten.

Thanks for the format and encouragement.

Re: Supercomputers, models, machine learning and reality

[(Anonymous)]

Computer Model A: Zelensky crowned king of the Slavic World in Red Square - three months max!

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[hearthspirit]

If the math is simple subtracting "covid" deaths from all deaths = "definitely vaccines", that is clean math for submission in court.

Re: Dr John Campbell UK

[(Anonymous)]

At one point eighteen or twenty months ago a paper was published in a bigwig science journal dishing hydroxychloroquine, claiming it doesn’t work. Chris Martenson quickly spotted the flaws in that paper and pointed them out in one of his videos, but Dr. Campbell did not. He bought the paper’s conclusion. Since then it’s Martenson I’ve followed, not Campbell. Dr. Campbell has been reduced to talking around the subject, not about it.

Whenever one of these science journals is described as “prestigious,” I now feel my lip curl in an involuntary sneer.

Re: NEED NATURAL CAT ADVICE

[(Anonymous)]

That's good point. My friend has a very nice dog, but he nipped someone (he's a very good judge of character), and if he hadn't been up to date on his shots, it could have been bad.

My cat's a lover, not a biter. He was outside once and some concerned people scooped him up and took him to the animal shelter. Thought they found a homeless, female, pregnant (!) cat, because they can't recognize a MALE cat, with a shiny coat, who is just fat and happy. But he has a chip, so we were quickly reunited.

But he knows where he lives now. I hope if someone does try to steal him he bites them good and hard!

I could never make him indoors only. He doesn't go out much, but I don't have to manage a litter box, and sometimes I see him out there just sniffing the air and feeling the wind. I'm not sure if cats need that, but I do, and I can't take that away from him.

I wish I could ask him if he wants to have the booster, but his English is terrible.

-Slink

[methylethyl]

Indeed. Lines not walls. I have no idea why people took that as "lock them in!" and just sort of ran with that.

[tritumi]

You do seem to favor the argumentum ad nauseam, if you do not mind my noting.

It is pointless to debate SADS as a consequence of clotting vs myocardial scarring. Both arise from the spike protein and an immune response overloaded with synthetically induced instructions to manufacture spike proteins that damage the network of blood vessels and create further damage by accruing in critical organs.

The defense of epistemological relativism is invalid. What is to be considered are the spectrum of action and intent. Consider this spectrum:

+++ at risk from co-morbidity or advanced age
+++ coerced to keep employment to secure family
++ emotionally manipulated by family
++ willingly thought it protective based on available information and advice
+ willingly because want to travel
- medical personnel trained to evaluate trends
--- medical personnel insisting patients take shot
----medical administrators insisting treatment be denied unless officially approved
-- advocates of propaganda systems that inflict harm
--- administrators of propaganda systems that inflict harm
----owners of propaganda systems that inflict harm
--- scientists who accept false or dubious claims to maintain position
----scientists who participate in development and promotion of false or dubious findings
----administrators in any firm or government department or agency that mandates based on false or dubious findings
----censors, advocates of controlling debate
----politicians who support mandates based on false or dubious findings
--->inner circle of decision makers

Once again you request a hard accountancy of penalty for crime. You work it out and I will look forward to your recommendations.

Re: Dark humour to lighten your day

[hearthspirit]

well, maybe. But then, I also remember last week someone left a link to people crowing on Twitter about Katy Perry's wonk eye, that was clearly "Pfizer eye".

The thing is, though, that feature of hers is so famous among her fans, it has it's own fandom (pre-dating the vaccines). But... Katy Perry and her fans are probably not considered respectable sources for the serious intellectual doing the hard investigative work around vaccine injuries.

"Days after a video of her eye glitch went viral on TikTok, Katy Perry addressed her eye glitch, calling it her “broken doll eye party trick“, which her fans have already noted that she does quite often in her shows.

She also pointed out another party trick in her shows – pouring beer out of her tits, and pointed out that she doesn’t “actually lactate hops”!"

[(Anonymous)]

In the same spirit as JMG says “it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries,” I would like to share my imaginings as to what might be possible in a contracting economy and declining population base with regard to ensuring an educated citizenry for the U.S. I cannot speak to other nations, of course, but I think we as a collection of special interest groups could profitably discuss what compromises can be worked out for the allocation of public money to the industry of education. If this is not the proper space for such a discussion, then so be it.

If this topic is allowed, let me begin by asking for factual information. Does anyone know where to find exact figures on the amount of Federal tax money that goes to the States for primary and secondary education? I am not interested in colleges here, just insuring that most kids get an adequate basic education at the best price.

Here are the issues I am examining and consider a problem for which a solution needs to be worked out with others who are better informed.

1) Centralized schooling and constant bond issues to build new school buildings.

2) Use of schools as baby-sitting and socialization pressure cookers for creating conformity

3) Abysmal pay for teachers

4) Disparity between resources in rich urban areas vs inner city and rural areas

My position on the first two issues is that centralized, Prussian-style graded schools are currently a total mess and they need to be defunded.

I know this cannot happen instantly, and understand that the poorest and middle class parents rely on the schools to provide day care while the parents have to work at two or more jobs per family to stay solvent.

Nevertheless, I think it is not the business of the State or the nation to ‘integrate’ children into society. The use of the schools to break the spine of Jim Crow laws was, I think, justified in the long run. But it has served its purpose and now we should be considering ways to ‘integrate’ children into the workforce instead.

If wages are going to be kept low and lower –as they will– and jobs are going to be fewer and fewer –as they will– then women who are single, even more underpaid than they are now, and cannot afford to homeschool will need day care at their places of employment.

Daycare should be available as a benefit, or as wages paid in kind. Employers also need to stop discriminating against having children on site and excluding them from the places where people learn HOW TO WORK at jobs that matter.

Work needs to be a significant component in every child’s education. It is past time to try to herd every child off to college just because that is where the clerisy dump their non-barracuda offspring, like the British aristocrats dumped their younger sons into the clergy 200 years ago.

Centralized schooling is also long past its pull date. I think the truancy laws need to be substantially revised so that the States and the Feds do not have the power to force children to be herded into a quasi-concentration camp situation. Forcing all children to congregate in compounds like we do know is the best possible way to ensure that disease vectors will have the quickest and more complete access to the whole population.

It is, in my opinion, slightly crazy to compact people into schools and hospitals for the sake of industrial ‘efficiency’ instead of having hundreds of widely dispersed clinics and scores of neighborhood locales for classroom activities.

In a contracting economy as gang activity and warlordism go on the rise, centralized schools make a poor defensive position for people to permit. It is tailor-made for some gangland kingpin to hold a lot of children hostage in a semi-fortress, semi-prison to obtain anything he wants: money drugs, releasing his good buddies from jail, etc.

The constant tax and bond pressure to build more and more school buildings is simply another scam imposed on the public to benefit the corrupt and Mafia-riddled construction industries. Classes can be held perfectly well in existing structures which can be made even more habitable by the children themselves taking part in upgrades and renovation. Learning the trades as part of a basic education is long overdue. In my opinion.

Employers and employees can both contribute to the wages of well-staffed, on-site day care centers. Teachers in a day care center instruct kids in the most basic skills: how to read, write, cypher, draw, play music, use tools, grow plants, survive in a crisis outside in nature.

Older children who need more than the basics can be given some choice in their own education. If a voucher system is approved for the disbursement of public tax money, the children and their single parent can choose either a tutor who specializes in a topic, or a general ed class where many teachers and assistants work in a one-room schoolhouse manner, without grading and school sports and other costly add-ons.
Neighborhoods, churches, groups of employees, granges, lodge, and any other type of organization can club together to hire teachers and provide class rooms.

If truancy becomes a real problem for teens, it becomes a police matter, with a whole battery of psyche team/social workers employed by the police to process juveniles.

If a problem kid refuses to either stay put and learn or show up for a job and work all day, then actual jail and ankle-bracelet tracking devices can be an alternative to the systems we have now.

I would appreciate practical-minded experienced people‘s feedback on this preliminary outline of ways to restructure and lower the costs of public education.

[milkyway1]

Could something like the current events only be either-or, i.e. either caused by demons or by gods? Or are there any other „higher forces“ which could somehow be involved?

(I‘m not trying to be nitpicking here, this is a sincere consideration - in real life, there are usually more than the most obvious two options.)

Milkyway

PS: Just a random data point: In my area of the woods, most of what I have seen hasn‘t been of the petunia type, although a few select people (I‘m totally not looking at our current health minister!) in some instances got close with their „logic“.

However, most of what I have seen, scary as it was, were people clinging tooth and nails to some narrative they didn‘t want to give up - more like 2 + 2 = 5-because-we-say-so rather than 1 + 1 = petunia.

But then the majority of the people seems to be ready to leave it all behind, dust themselves off and just move on to never think about or speak of it again (unless you hit the right keywords, in which case they‘ll utter a few pre-rehearsed nonsensical statements about the dangers of long-covid, and then promptly turn around to live their lives again). That doesn‘t quite feel like „marching over the cliff until the bitter end“ either.

I‘m not quite sure what to make of that with regards to the above distinction. But on the other hand, it sure does feel as if there are some higher forces at work.

Re: Dr John Campbell UK

[tritumi]

All you need do is read Campbell's face. He is already fully aware of the immensity of the mortality trend. His method is intended to keep an information channel alive that will bring a great many people to that awareness. It is not an easy role he has chosen, being a translator of sadness and bad news. I respect him very much that.

[methylethyl]

IMO, one of the primary benefits of "devolution" of power would be that when someplace elects loathsome leaders, the scope of the damage those leaders can do would be more limited.

Re: NEW THREAD: HOW DO WE SPLIT OR SHARE THE WORLD?

[hearthspirit]

I like you.

Re: Pandemic, Bovid, Lock Down and Peak Oil Science and the next begging for amnesty

[hearthspirit]

Is that saying the quiet part out loud again?

[hearthspirit]

I like White.

[tritumi]

Bravo. A recommended read indeed.