Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

Comments

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

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Old Microbiologist

[(Anonymous)]

An Anon in the prior thread mentioned reading this guy's posts at sonar21.com and I thought the below comment was important enough to get posted here:

"Larry, I want to clarify a few misconcepts in this article. I understand it was written by a layman and the human immune system is particularly complex. I am a PhD Immunologist and spent the majority of my career designing and/or testing vaccine candidates or bio-threat agents for the US Army. The Army is interested as soldiers deploy to areas where zoonotic (animal) diseases are located and we western peoples have no immune response against them. Usually these areas are also poor so there is no financial incentive for Pharmaceutical companies to develop treatments or vaccines against them. These are known as “orphan” drugs and only the military has the need and resources to attempt to develop countermeasures against them. Some like malaria are very serious health problems of the world but not interesting as they would not be profitable hence the military’s need to pursue them. We also are the point of the spear for bio-weapon vaccines as well for similar reasons.

There are several strategies for vaccines against various organisms and viruses are a bit more difficult as they actually work by incorporating themselves into various target cells in the host. They circumvent the normal protein production and hijack the cells into making copies of the virus and the cell stops operating normally becoming devoted to this new task and never reverse back to normal. This results in the release of vast amounts of viral particles which in turn infect more cells and so on. Some small pieces of the virus remain on the cell surfacer and can be detected by lymphocytes through a process of epitope sensing (each lymphocyte has a receptor hat reacts specifically to a particular very small area of protein that is exposed). If enough particles are attached this way the cell becomes stimulated and results in a cascading effect and expansion of itself which once it gets started results in a massive immune response. These lymphocytes excrete a variety of cytokines (cellular hormone like substances that can effect the host in many ways such as induction of fever by IL-6 (interleukin – 6 is a type of cytokine). There are many different cytokines and many different kinds of lymphocytes as well as many types of macrophages. The released viral particles eventually stimulate an immune response that is weak and non-specific and results in the production of antibodies by plasma cells which are differentiated B lymphocytes. As the immune response matures the antibodies move from IgA to IgM and eventually IgG. These antibodies can punch holes in the host cells infected by virus and kill them. It takes many antibodies to accumulate for this to happen and it involves another arm of the immune system known as the complement system. The complement cascade results in holes in the cell that cause the cell to leak out all its internal contents and it dies. The T-cell lympocytes that expand in response to the infection eventually become established in lymph nodes as T-memory cells and remain dormant until the next time the host is challenged by the virus or its near neighbors again.

The strategies for vaccination start with attenuated live virus or near neighbors that don’t cause disease The next strategy is killed or damaged (irradiation is one method) virus mixed with substances that invoke a strong immune response (adjuvant).The Chinese vaccine was using the latter strategy. The next is to try and determine what proteins evoke the best immune response. This is known a as sub-unit vaccine and is the most typical method used as in the influenza vaccines. It is very difficult and time consuming to determine what proteins need to be used to invoke a specific and efficacious immune response sufficient to eliminate the virus quickly. Normally, this part takes several years and numerous animal experiments (usually mice) to screen the candidates out and determine the best adjuvant and dose. In more recent times it has become standard to clone the DNA for the small 6 amino acid sequence necessary to mimic the epitope that the T-cell will sense and put it into other viruses such as the adenovirus. There are thousands of adenoviruses but this has been fairly well standardized. The problem arises that the host will also develop immunity to the adenovirus as well so it is of limited use once used.

For COVID-19 it was determined (maybe guessed?) that it is the spike protein that gives the best immune response and several strategies were used to develop the vaccines. The safest are killed virus, moving to adenovirus vectored and finally to this nutty idea of using mRNA to induce an immune response. The latter has never been used before and IMHO was unnecessary to move forwards with this strategy. I was against this for several reaons. It has never been used before and there is zero animal or human long term safety data. Yet, the FDA decided to move forwards with this. The main problem as i see it is that the mRNA, much like a virus, becomes incorporated into the host DNA and can be incorporated into any cell of the body where it begins to crank out small amounts of protein, in this case a small subunit of the spike protein. As we know the Spike Protein is very toxic but it is not understood why this is so and what part of the pike is actually toxic. Putting this into humans was shockingly risky and worse our Congress indemnified both Moderna and Pfizer from any subsequent lawsuits.

I have several additional concerns. The first is the candidate vaccine was announced by Moderna 3 weeks after the Chinese sequenced the virus in January. WTF??? As I said this takes years to work out yet they had it done in under a month? It then bypassed all animal studies and the FDA approved it for use in humans with zero safety data whatsoever. Let me tell you as a person who spent 40 years making vaccines it is never this easy and it requires a minimum of 10 years to get a vaccine licensed, Just getting to the Phase 1 safety trial takes at least 10 different animal experiments in 2 species of animals (usually mice and non-human primates) which is very expensive. Most vaccines die at this state of approval in the pre-candidate meeting at the FDA. Yet, these 2 vaccines were streamlined without any normal process of review at all. The downstream effects are yet to be seen but I can predict that at a minus cancer rates are going to go up dramatically as there is mounting evidence these 2 vaccines destroy at least temporarily the CD-8 Lymphocytes that are responsible for killing cancer cells. What other effects we will uncover is an open book and will be revealed as time goes on.

The Modern timing suggests they had the actual virus months if not years before it was found in the human population. The burin cleavage site that makes it so deadly is extremely suspicious and would require over 1 million years to evolve under normal circumstances yet we are supposed to believe it developed de novo with zero near neighbors? This is absolutely impossible. Then we have the DARPA proposal which was disapproved but leaked and showed this was the exact strategy that Peter Dazek was going to use. The dollar amount is exactly the same as his NIAID project which remains classified to this day. To me, this suggests he took his rejected research proposal from DARPA and re-submitted it to NIAID and it got funded. The result is COVID-19.

What we don’t know is how it got released. There are 2 possibilities. The first is a deliberate attack on China and I can easily imagine Pompeo and Bolton thinking this was a good idea and some kind of promise there was an effective vaccine. Remember that Moderna is the company that was doing clinical trials in Tbilisi that resulted in so many deaths of research subjects which were never released to the public in defiance of FDA requirements. Clinical trials done in US labs must meet FDA requirements. It is for this reason that Colonel Robert Redfield was forced into retirement rather than judicial punishment for fraudulent HIV vaccine data. He just happened to be the Director of the CDC when COVID-19 happened. His deputy at CVDC was Colonel George Korch the former commander of USAMRIID and former Director of the National Biothreat Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) who was relieved for cause from duty as the anthrax letters blamed on Bruce Ivins at USAMRIID under his leadership. George was the Sub-Director of CDC for Preparedness when COVID-19 emerged. You can blame him for lack of PPE etc. for the national response (or lack thereof). He was prior to that the Director of Biodefense Research at Battelle Memorial Institute which for those in the know is the place the CIA does its nefarious stuff (search for Project Jefferson). I tie all that together as it indicates a group of medical researchers of suspicious backgrounds in positions of responsibility that would normally be the ones to perform the investigations but are very likely complicit in the actual development and release. Redfield is an MD and Korch is a Ph.D. Entomologist. Fauci as we know is an expert at dodging bullets and has a long history of aggressive behavior as an HIV researcher. Those in the medical research community know well that HIV took over the lion’s share of medical research money in the US for decades and Fauci was the king of that kingdom.

One key thing is that the first case was actually in Italy in October based on serological samples. It happened near Vicenza Italy where the US has a US Army Post. The other fact is that there was the International Military Games Competition (basically the Olympics for the military) in Wuhan in October. Many participants at the games became sick but were never diagnosed with COVID as it actually didn’t exist yet. These are healthy and fit soldiers with zero co-morbidities so not surprising no one became seriously sick. I was a participant in several CISM games myself (skiing) back in the ’80s. The soldiers participating would have wandered around Wuhan as tourists. It is most likely the virus was released during the games. Whether it was an accident or deliberate is the real question. However, I can state categorically that the Chinese treated it as if it were a deliberate attack. I am leaning towards an asymptomatic soldier who also worked at USAMRIID (or was in contact with a researcher from USAMRIID or another institution working with the virus) who became infected. traveled TDY to Vicenza (or was assigned there), traveled to the games, participated, traveled around the city ad out certainly the wet market area, then returned to duty wherever that was. This would have been the infamous patient Zero who to date is unrecognized. Once it got into the population it spread rapidly and the soldiers at the games traveling back to their home bases would have also carried the virus with them. I am only guessing but this fits best with what we saw happen.

Just my 2 cents"

He has a few other good comments as well, see https://sonar21.com/is-the-covid-vaccine-killing-people/ and scroll down for more.

.epub will be tomorrow

[(Anonymous)]

.epub will be tomorrow

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[methylethyl]

Investigations, public apologies, and appropriately severe budget cuts and layoffs, must come first. In addition, every person substantially involved in the planning, greenlighting, and enforcement, should be barred from ever working for the government again, in any capacity whatsoever. Make sure this can never, ever happen again.

After that, let's talk amnesty. Not before.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[methylethyl]

"Ratioed" = Any time you glance at a Titter post, and you see that the number of comments VASTLY exceeds the number of "likes", you know (without even reading the comments) that everybody hated the post, and most of the comments will be really negative. So, the ratio of comments to likes tells you most of what you need to know about how well-received that post was. Comments>Likes= ratioed.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

On twitter, one can react to a tweet by "liking," by commenting, and/or by retweeting or quote-tweeting (which is retweeting with one's own commentary added). The author of that Atlantic story posted a tweet announcing her Atlantic story yesterday; as of this morning her tweet had fewer than 2,000 likes, but more than 6,000 quote tweets and 27,000 (!) comments. Since someone commenting or quote-tweeting in agreement would likely have pressed "like" as well, you can assume that the vast majority of those comments and quote tweets are critical. That's getting ratioed, and that ratio is a doozy!

https://mobile.twitter.com/cliftonaduncan/status/1587258670101970944/photo/1

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster

The American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten piped up to say she agrees with the author, and she got it pretty bad too.

Jonathan.

States Not Requiring Covax for School

[methylethyl]

Reposting from previous thread, since the reply was so late-- but someone asked where to find out which states would not be requiring the shots for school attendance.

Not on Twitter! I tried searching it there yesterday, thinking someone, surely, would have a nifty chart posted by now. But there seems to be a search ban in place on that subject.

Poking around, it's really irritating trying to find it, and I haven't been able to track down a comprehensive list, only individual articles, for which one has to check the date, to see if it was said before, or after, the CDC ruling, plus a bunch of partial lists that don't match up with each other. Arg. Here's what I've turned up in a cursory search:

--Florida, at least, has not only not-required it for school, it has not ordered its health departments to stock it for that purpose (typically, shots on the childhood schedule can be gotten for free at the local HD anywhere in the state), and recommends against it for males under 40 based on the state's own myocarditis study.

--Kansas: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kansas-not-planning-require-covid-200012714.html

--Ohio: https://www.sent-trib.com/2022/10/23/covid-vaccine-not-required-for-ohio-students/

--Tennessee: https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/21/tennessee-cdc-covid-19-vaccine-recommended-immunization-schedule-gov-bill-lee/69580326007/

--Virginia? No official action, I think, but Youngkin has said it won't happen: https://www.nbc12.com/2022/10/24/virginia-department-health-provides-insight-covid-vaccine-guidelines-schools/

--Utah: https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/10/26/23424704/covid-shots-added-cdc-recommended-immunizations-list-impact-utah

This site lists statements from 11 governors to the same effect, and posts the Twitter blurbs for each, has:

Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Iowa
Tennessee
Alabama
Utah
South Dakota
Oklahoma
Virginia
Missouri

This article has a different list and adds: https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/10/21/at-least-11-states-say-no-to-mandatory-covid-19-shots-for-kids/

Wyoming
Montana
West Virginia
South Carolina
Georgia
Arkansas
Arizona

Some of these are based on policy that predates the CDC guidelines, simply saying the covid vax will not be required to go to school. It might be good to check up on them and see if they've said anything specific *since* then. I'm pretty sure Texas falls into this category (of having said "no" to all that back when CA said they'd mandate it).

This site: https://deeprootsathome.com/list-of-states-that-say-no-to-c-19-vaccine-mandate-for-school-kids/

has a list of 19 states that have "banned" the requiring of the covid vax for school attendance:
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Mississippi
Montana
New Hampshire
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia

If it's your state, I'd actually pick up the phone and call the local school board and health department and ask!

But, it's also important, if you're looking at where to move, or where to send your kids to school, to also check in with perhaps a local antivax organization in the target state, and see how easy/hard it is to get an exemption. Some states, like TX, allow for philosophical exemptions-- meaning you basically just have to file the paperwork saying you don't want it, for ANY of the shots on the childhood schedule. I'm not sure which other states might have that sort of thing.

In addition, there are several states heading into interesting gubernatorial races in a week (like NY) where the outcome of the election might determine which way the state goes on that issue.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[methylethyl]

They do seem to be in there working the valves and wrenches as fast as they can-- it's interesting to check back and see what's post-able, and search-able, on the platform, that wasn't postable or searchable yesterday, or last week. It's still a work in progress, but there's a lot of movement. Who knows where it'll end up? Since he's trying to make it profitable (one assumes), rather than just a vehicle for influence and censorship, I expect wherever it ends up, fewer people will be using it and at least some of them will be paying for the service.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[methylethyl]

Fauci & co. in the dock is a thing that badly needs to happen.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

And now a word from John Rambo.

https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/and-now-a-word-from-john-rambo

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“The past is never dead. It's not even past.”

I didn't think I'd ever consider that quote in the context of FIVE MINUTES AGO. SMH. To pull another overused quote, we really are here aren't we? This is our moment:

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

Re: Prayer request

[methylethyl]

Mercy, health, and peace to them.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Family is different

Re: Ben Shapiro admits he was wrong

[(Anonymous)]

"Knowing what he knows now, Shapiro, who is double-vaccinated, said he is not sure whether he would have taken the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine, but said, “maybe not.”

Still doesn't really want to give up believing.

We'll be onto the next 'thing' soon. Slava Ukraine and all that.

Re: Ben Shapiro admits he was wrong

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Ben Shapiro switch from anti-Trump to lukewarm pro-Trump, when the wind changed direction?

Re: Old Microbiologist

[(Anonymous)]

Way back D.Orlov said Russia and China initially treated COVID as a bioweapon attack. Russia published evidence of attempts at creating race-specific bioweapons in the US Biolabs that they captured early on in the Ukraine war.

Even with that context China's current zero-COVID policy and lockdowns seem to make no sense, unless you interpret the lockdowns as rotating exercises to reduce energy consumption by other means.

Re: States Not Requiring Covax for School

[dendroica]

If this goes the way I expect it to (i.e. if it's about getting liability protection rather than enforcing compliance) it will be very easy to get an exemption just about everywhere except maybe NYC, SF, and some other blue cities. But we'll see...

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

The “Run” meme song comes to mind

Re: Ben Shapiro admits he was wrong

[(Anonymous)]

This article popped up in the sidebar: "Democrat Candidate Who Said ‘I Don’t Give a F*** What Happens To Anti-Vaxxers’ Dies Suddenly"

https://anonymouswire.com/democrat-candidate-who-said-i-dont-give-a-f-what-happens-to-anti-vaxxers-dies-suddenly/

Is it rude to laugh?

Re: States Not Requiring Covax for School

[tamanous2020]

Thank you for this list

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if El Gato read JMG's open covid post prompt ;) Having stated this idea simply, El Gato has thrown down the gauntlet and booked my next months meditation sessions. I just spent 5 minutes trying to come up with my top 5 and top 10. It's not easy, with priorities and understandings having shifted so much in the past three years. I've got some pondering to do.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/state-what-you-are-in-favor-of-as

Re: Ben Shapiro admits he was wrong

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care for Shapiro, but a person like that doesn't get in his position without a sense of which way the wind is blowing and knowing how to align his sail.

[(Anonymous)]

Just to be clear about that Emily Oster article about forgiveness - her point was it was time for the vaccinated to forgive the unvaccinated for not following the rules.

To repeat - she was rallying her vaccinated fan base to reach out to all those unvaccinated family and friends they've shunned and allow them back in to events and family gatherings.

If you thought it was the Atlantic saying they were wrong about vaccine mandates, etc. HA HA HA HA no. Hell has not frozen over yet.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Randi Weingarten also locks comments when she tweets.

But she did take a trip to Ukraine to check out the situation the other week and let people cheer her on for that.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, all. I thought I had missed a joke somewhere about Ambition, Distraction, Uglification and Derision, with creepy overtones of unpleasant post-moderna things being done to the Nuzmercator by the Denormativenator

Re: Disease trends

[boccaccio]

Thank you Mark for this 'where do we stand' post.

The latest round of the virus is indeed subsiding and had in my country only a somewhat higher rate of hospital admissions that the previous wave (at first I thought the difference was larger but at the crest of the waves the difference was not that big).

Your assessment in the last paragraph seems seems spot on. It seems to me that issues surrounding weakened overall immunity and disability could also be asking for attention this winter in addition to your list.

It's strange this slow moving fiasco and people getting their sanity back one by one like Ben Shapiro this week. And yet I'm a bit unnerved still, like from the stories of the strange bloodclots or dying brain tissue. So much doesn't make sense still but perhaps I'm just picking up on some astral crud or something. Only time will tell...