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Other than Homer and Hesiod, which are the most important texts of Greek, and also Roman, paganism / polytheism? Which Classical philosophers and other writers had much to say about the gods?

A while ago someone asked you about using the Grove Ritual for the Druid Magic Handbook as an invisibilty ritual; you wrote that the telluric current would need to be invoked. Am I correct in the assumption that for ending the invisibilty spell the solar current would be used?

Secondly, you wrote a while ago how thr current systems of Western magic are fragments of what more complete esoteric systems would be like. In that context, it occurred to me that the Dolmen Arch course is, among other things, a way to make thr Druid Magic Handbook system more complete.

Thirdly, the Chinese characters under your posts on Dreamwidth are real Chinese characters and have the same or a similar meaning as the English mood words before them.

Does learning to play a musical instrument have an effect on the subtle bodies?

Morning John
I’m working my way through your will training posts and have now reached part 4, yeah I know, I’m a little late to the party! I realised recently that the solution to my anxiety issues was lack of will power to choose my own perceptions/ mental constructs rather than have negative ones thrust upon me. So I’ve got stuck in. The results are starting to take effect but I know it will take sometime to undo the habits of will. But something else has occurred to me, that I thought I’d run past you. You gave an example of a goal, ie to become a millionaire and by using your will power appropriately there is no reason why a person wouldn’t succeed. Would the goal of using your will power to seek to achieve “the luminous life” be a sensible choice for a Druid on the OBOD course? This would seem to fit in with the cosmic doctrine and the importance of developing restraint/will.
Regards
Averagejoe

(Internet hiccup, apologies if this is a duplicate post.). I purchased a vintage suitcase at an antique mall, hoping to use it as storage under my bed. When I got it home, I discovered that it had a tone-on-tone swastika pattern lining. While I understand that the swastika is a very old symbol with lots of history before the Nazis got ahold of it, and that it’s possible my suitcase predates the 1930’s, I’m not happy having this symbol in my home. So I’m wondering what my options are, magically speaking. I could just throw it out of course, but I couldn’t be sure it wouldn’t reappear for me or someone else. I could tear out the lining, and burn it, but would the smoke be an offering to a malign entity I wouldn’t want to hear from? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

2) From my humble European point of view (don't know where OP lives), it could be the agreement I perceive in American culture about living in the best possible country that possesses endless potential - people are inspired to project their highest dreams and expectations as the "base" of their culture, where other folks have a solid "base" - roots on which some expectations can grow and flower and some might not.

In my view, every European country has some kind of cultural discipline that permits venting a bit of your shadow, so you don't get stressed out by all your positive aspirations: etching humour in Britain, rhetorical fencing just for the pleasure of it in France, ritual tantrums in Spain, digestion jokes in Catalonia, a culture of complicated laziness and corruption in my native Austria, acceptance and transcendance of suffering in my mother's native Russia.

Another point might be that when you live in a small country, it's easy to blame all the bad stuff on someone else, or to resort to some kind of cultural masochism. Maybe Americans are overburdened by all that responsibility of being overly great.

Hello JMG,
Some of your wisdom about Egypt, if you’d be so kind.
I’m interested in doing pathworking (or equivalent if that's not possible) with the Egyptian gods (I do an Egyptian LBRP), and have been trying to find a reliable book. Llewellyn publish one of that title by Judith Page, about which opinion seems to be very divided, and I’ve also seen recommendations for books by Nicki Scully, Stephen Skinner and for translations of the Book of Gates. Do you know of anything that’s accurate and reliable? There seems to be so much garbage published abut Egypt ....
Many thanks.

Hello, Mr. Greer.

There is something that is bugging me for a while. Take, for example, this CosDoc paragraph:

--
As we have already seen, a Great Entity projects its concept
of itself. This, however, is not the beginning of objectivisation in
a universe, though dealt with first in the order of instruction in
order to make that which follows more comprehensible; for the
Great Entity, when it projected the image of itself, gained substance
of the same nature as the projection, awaiting the organisation
which that projection should bring about.
--

A first read, within context, is talking about a Great Entity which makes a copy of itself out of cosmic matter, it projects the thought and the matter will come. It creates an objective image which is what other consciences around will interact with. In practical terms directly deduced from the metaphore, if I wanted other people to interact differently with me, then I have to change the image I am projecting to the world, so people see a different me. Powerful psychological stuff.

Then you can make a second read, out of context. It tells how a Great Entity can build something great (it's a great entity, so whatever it creates should be great, isn't it?). First it must make plans (projections), only after the design is made, it should go on with gathering materials for the work as instructed in the plans (of the same kind of the work you want to make), and finally organise the materials to complete the plans. They look like very rough instructions for a successful great work.

It's hard to get to the second meaning, since the meaning that comes from context obscure our thinking. I think this is what we usually call 'second readings'. In common talking, it's very easy to get misunderstandings when the same set of words can be understood in two or three different ways. Very often, what a person says can mean different things, and we usually pick the right meaning from context, but sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes we are not even aware that there are second meanings.
So, studying this book is, in a way, developing the ability to see second meanings, since I am becoming more aware of them (and I am terrible at doing second readings, mind you).

So far, so good.

What is bugging me, it's that now, the very first thing that I attempt when I study a paragraph is to find second meanings. You instructed to study the text with the images it suggested in mind, but I have failed to do so for several chapters. What I've been doing instead was to take a broad look over a set of keywords, and trying to make another sense of them, if put in a different context, with different degrees of success. In some places I think Fortune was talking about movie films, the chemical reactions that produce images in the film, where rays can pass through the parts of the film that have reacted, the frecuency you have to move the rings in order to see the movie correctly, and how the film is stored in a disc and can be carried away. In other places it looks as if she's talking about gestating babies. In other sections, I'd swear she's talking about how the parliament dictates civil laws.

I was so absorbed with this game, that I got lost of how Fortune moved from 'Great Organisms' to 'Great Entities'. It appears that she is talking about the same thing: traveling atoms that have settled in their right orbits. I can't tell the difference. In Spanish, an organism is an alive thing that has 'organs', parts that perform different tasks, while an entity is an association of people, or just a being, not necessarily alive. If I were using these different words for the same concept, I guess Organism is to be applied to the Administration, while Entities is the same thing but in the Corporate/Private sector. But other than this, I can't find nice second meanings in these chapters.

I guess I should go back and repeat the study process, this time holding onto the images.

On a second but related issue, I'm slowly reading 'Dogme et rituel de la haute magie', and although I have not done yet a serious study, I can't really find second meanings in this text. There are some hints at practical magic here and there, without really saying, but nothing like the multiple layer of meanings that is CosDoc. Is 'Dogme et Rituel' really easier, or is it just even more occult?

Hi JMG

I am working through the DMH and plan on doing a scrying this Friday.

I have noted in your answers to other questions to be wary (or is it avoid?) workings during, and near to, lunar eclipses. But I never absorbed the message.

With a lunar eclipse this Wednesday, is there anything I should be conscious of in relation to magic?

1. If you find that you have an inner Harry Haller (from Steppenwolf - a snob with 'better taste' than the masses) how do you integrate it? I may need to re-read Steppenwolf again...

2. About divination in general: even after recording my daily Ogham divinations and comparing what I predicted the next day afterwards, I find they are often so general that I can find 'something' that makes my predictions seem true. I don't know if this is an issue or not, and it makes me wonder if I am not learning something important with how I interpret my predictions. I use the same question every day: "What do I most need to know about the coming day". Do you have any advice about this?

Thank you!

When I started having hoodoo baths the first time was the strongest. Within several weeks I felt I'd cleared the backlog of a lifetime of crud and was down to maintainence level. How long does it take the banishing portion of the SoP to reach that point (assuming the invokings keep building power indefinitely)? I'm not sure how much backlog I've cleared as the effects of the SoP are more subtle and don't have feedback like the reactions of a tree jonesin' for its fix. :)

These questions are in reference to the Cosmic Doctrine. Thank you!

1. My understanding is that each swarm develops a Group Spirit/Oversoul. When each of the first three swarms has finished its evolution through the seven sub-planes, the swarm’s Group Spirit/Oversoul is assimilated into the Logoidal consciousness. After the first three swarms, the Group Spirit/Oversoul of the swarm becomes the Star Logoi/Ray Exemplar of the Ray that the swarm was assigned to. But in Part 2, Fortune refers to the Lord of the Purple Ray as the Oversoul of the Lords of Mind. But the Oversoul of the Lords of Mind was assimilated into the Logos and is no longer a separate entity. So how can it be assimilated and also be separate? (Or is this one of those things meant to train my mind and not inform it?)
2. Part 2 also mentions that a Ray contains a whole spectrum of colors and some Lords of Mind are associated with different colors. If the ROY G BIV version of the spectrum is used, that is 7 colors. Is each color associated with a different planet?
3. Why are the Lords of Mind on the same Ray as our swarm? Is it because the #16 swarm is the first swarm to have to double-up on a Ray? (Swarms 1, 2, and 3 weren’t assigned a Ray, swarms 4 through 15 would be assigned to Rays 1 to 12, so our swarm is back to Ray 1?)
4. Fortune says the second plane has Nature Forces, the third plane has Saints, all the way up to the seventh plane, which has the Christs. Not the Christ, but the Christs (plural). She also says “The ‘Ray’ of the Cosmic Christ is that of the Oversoul of the Lords of Mind.” Who are the other Christs on the seventh plane? Are these the Divine Sparks who were initiated by the Cosmic Christ? (So after they die on our plane, they get a FastPass to the seventh plane?)

Monochrome Nocturnal Neanderthal

While waiting in the ED, I did an imaginal LBRP. I found it very difficult and slow, like the imagined movements were through treacle. Is this because the conditions were just that bad? Worth it?

Lead roofs on cathedrals: magically speaking, a good thing or a bad thing? Or both, depending...?

(Celadon/Arkansas)

For the purposes of planetary charity, what astrological power rules Christian missionaries?

JMG,

I assume you have been made aware that there has been a very obvious and very public push by our government and military to get the whole UFO phenomena going again. The obvious reason would be that they have new aircraft/rockets/space vehicle they are wanting to test. I guess the other reason is as some sort of distraction.

Might there be other more esoteric reasons?

AV

Almost two weeks ago I was listening to a podcast featuring a true-believing Bitcoin maxi who brought up a bunch of points about how decentralized crypto can defund forever wars, tame predatory bankers, and most importantly stop a bunch of bureaucrats from stealing money from my savings account with inflation. The next day Elon started shooting his mouth off and the price began to slide, so I decided to learn more and see if this is a worthy investment at a discount or just a collapsing bubble.

I do not understand the nuances of the code, but the following 10 days of nonstop attacks from legacy media, China, and even the Pope convinced me that this must be a dangerous revolutionary technology worth a second look. The natal chart appears to have been elected with that exact purpose in mind, leading some to speculate that the mysterious founder had some astrological chops.

https://astroinsightsblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/25/bitcoin-comes-of-age/

Finding out about the upcoming eclipse square with Saturn and Uranus made me feel queazy about the money I put down, but by the time I learned about that it was already too late and the fever had swept me down river. Has there ever been a speculative asset before where the investors would rather lose all their money than surrender and capitulate? It occurred to me that as someone brought up in Christianity this made me feel like I was living in the book of Exodus, where Satoshi is Moses leading us out of debt slavery, delivering the blockchain tablets to follow, and mysteriously disappearing along the way after infighting broke out.

Twitter is where we gather for inspiration, and oddly enough the hashtag is full of religious iconography with even Kek making multiple appearances (my favorite is the haloed version with a deeply sympathetic face supporting a struggling Hodler). Faith is rewarded, weakness is despised, and "to the moon" sounds a whole lot like the promised land. Alt coins are the Levantine false gods trying to lead the chosen people astray, and Pharaoh FUD's army is still hot on our heels.

Now when facing establishment pundit's accusations of being a cult some of the more prominent maxis have actually started deliberately embracing it, as if to say "Hell yeah, if being in a cult means believing in something bigger than the next quarter in a dying financial system then we are a cult!"

The effect on me was profound as I have never invested in anything in my life that I cannot hold in my own hands. It was the promise of financial gain mixed with a sense of purpose that kept me up at night obsessively researching. I realized that I was in an altered state and asked my wife to remind me to not put more down than we are prepared to lose. It would suck if it went to zero (or the grid failures win out sooner than expected) but at least it meant I resisted slavery and did more than just go along to get along. In that respect I am far less fearful than normal.

After a modest amount of occult training it is clear than something more is at work here and I wish to understand it better. Even if turns out to be a good call it still bothers me that I did not recognize what was going on it at first and found myself under the influence.

It seems it is trendy to teach hexing as empowerment to young girls. What could possibly go wrong? There is no mention of ethics in magic at all.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/teen-vogue-explains-use-menstrual-blood-witchcraft-12-17-year-old-readers/?fbclid=IwAR2FkpyW0v6d_fcAuq5z1wHNDE3sQnk3j6ekmmqRfXR0kf5YLu55-wfDjYc

Will this kind of thing fuel the Second Religiosity?

Does the radionics equivalent of the banishing ritual work only at the etheric level or can it affect the astral too? In what ways does it feel different from a hoodoo bath, LBRP or SoP?

When I conclude my prayers, it feels so awkward if I don't use some word or phrase that indicates the prayer is over. It kind of feels like I've abruptly walked off from the middle of a conversation. Since I've taken up praying to several Pagan Deities, I feel like my prayers to them are somehow incomplete as I just end without something akin to "amen."

1. Are there any equivalents to the Judeo-Christian "amen" that can be used to conclude a prayer to a Pagan Deity, such as Mithras or Anat?

2. Would simply saying "amen" be an acceptable conclusion to a prayer to Mithras or another non-Christian Deity?

The current Grand Archdruid of AODA adapted the Ogham to her area in Pennsylvania, which includes many trees widely dispersed in the Midwest and Northeast. It has been very useful to me! https://druidgarden.wordpress.com/2020/06/21/the-allegheny-ogham-an-ogham-for-the-northern-appalachian-mountains-in-the-eastern-usa/

JMG,

1. Why is the LBRP so often preferred over the LIRP as a first step in most GD ritual workings? Would it not be more advantageous to balance the elements at a higher level of power in preparation for invocation?

2. What are your thoughts on the possibility of a fundamentalist takeover in the US, and a return to the historical norm of repression of occultism and alternative spirituality? What would you do as a public figure in the occult movement in case the jackboots come to your door?

Dear Mr Greer

I think you said in one of your comments that your astrological investigations indicated that we might be in for a health care crisis. I think it was something to do with the moon. (Please forgive me if I have got this wrong.)

Do you know when this crisis is due and how serious it will be, and does it have anything to do with covid. The reason why I am asking this is that I am skeptical about astrology and thought this would be a good test to see if there is anything in it. I am also pretty ignorant about the subject, so any technical details will be Double Dutch to me.

Thank you for your help.

Yours sincerely

Jasmine

Hi,

I just got done reading the Demon section of Monsters and the whole concept that you talk about where they came from a different universe is fascinating.

1. You mention that we might have had no contact with demons but for an unfortunate turn in our evolutionary history. Could you explain a bit more about what could have caused that?

2. Given that it's possible demons come from a different universe that destroyed itself why is there optimism from most people about our universe? Is it possible that we could become so unbalanced that we destroy or universe and become some other universe's demons?

I seem to recall you saying before and after an earlier eclipse that its energies are only, or most, relevant, at the time the eclipse is occurring. How long do they apply for? Is it just a few hours to avoid?

I am asking with reference to magically timing activities (though not extremely important ones, so far as I know) and a continuing planetary charity session, rather than any major working.

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Magic Monday

Texts of Classical religion

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Will power

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CosDoc second readings / meanings

DMH and a lunar eclipse

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Cosmic Doctrine

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Medieval Era

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Cult of Bitcoin

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Prayer

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Healthcare Crisis

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Eclipse energies and time